House to deliver Trump impeachment charge on Monday, rejecting Republican push for time

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House to deliver Trump impeachment charge on Monday, rejecting Republican push for time

By David Morgan and Richard Cowan

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump departs on travel to West Point, New York from the South Lawn at the White House in Washington, U.S., December 12, 2020. REUTERS/Cheriss May

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives will deliver an impeachment charge against former President Donald Trump to the Senate on Monday, rejecting Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's request for a delay.

 

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, who displaced McConnell as the chamber's leader after Democrats won two Georgia runoff elections this month, announced the move on the Senate floor on Friday.

 

Schumer did not say when Trump's second impeachment trial would begin. But he emphasized the need to move quickly on confirmation of President Joe Biden's Cabinet and other key administration officials.

 

"The House will deliver the article of impeachment to the Senate. The Senate will conduct a trial of the impeachment of Donald Trump. It will be a full trial. It will be a fair trial," Schumer said.

 

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi confirmed the plan in a statement.

 

White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters that the Senate should be able to move forward with both the trial and Biden's agenda, beginning with his call for $1.9 trillion of fresh COVID-19 assistance for Americans and the U.S. economy.

 

"What cannot be delayed through this process is his proposal to get relief to the American people at this time of crisis," Psaki told reporters.

 

Schumer's remarks came the morning after McConnell asked the House to delay sending the charges until next Thursday, and called on Schumer to postpone the trial until mid-February to give Trump more time to prepare a defense against the charge that he incited an insurrection by his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6.

 

"This impeachment began with an unprecedentedly fast and minimal process over in the House," McConnell said on Friday.

"The sequel cannot be an insufficient Senate process that denies former President Trump his due process or damages the Senate or the presidency itself."

 

Senate rules call for an impeachment trial to begin at 1 p.m. on the day after articles of impeachment are delivered to the upper legislative chamber of Congress, except for Sundays.

 

But Senator Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat, told MSNBC that lawmakers would "sit down and map this out as best we can, use every available minute."

 

The moves come as Schumer and McConnell are struggling to assert control in a 50-50 chamber where Democrats hold a razor-thin majority thanks to Vice President Kamala Harris' tie-breaking vote.

 

"I can't imagine that both McConnell and Schumer don't want to have a little more structure here, and particularly Schumer, leave a little more time to move forward with the early Biden decisions before we get locked into the trial," Republican Senator Roy Blunt told reporters.

 

FILIBUSTER FIGHT

 

McConnell has insisted that Democrats provide a guarantee that they will not end the legislative filibuster, which gives the minority Republicans the power to block legislation being pushed by the new Biden administration.

 

Schumer rejected McConnell's demand on Friday, calling it an "unacceptable proposal."

 

McConnell refused to concede, saying that maintaining the filibuster's 60-vote threshold for advancing most legislation was a linchpin for the power-sharing agreement cobbled together in 2001, the last time the Senate was split 50-50.

 

Trump last week became the first president in U.S. history to be impeached twice, and when the Senate convenes for his trial will be the first president tried after leaving office, for his alleged role in urging his supporters to storm the Capitol in an attack that left five dead.

 

Ten House Republicans joined Democrats on Jan. 13 in impeaching him. The support of at least 17 Senate Republicans would be needed to convict him; a separate vote would then be needed to ban him from running for office again.

 

Such a vote could signal that senior Republicans were eager to remove Trump as the de facto leader of their party; he has said he may seek to run again in 2024.

 

Trump's fate ultimately could depend on McConnell, whose position is likely to influence other Republican lawmakers. The Kentucky Republican said this week that the mob was "fed lies" and "provoked by the president and other powerful people."

 

(Reporting by David Morgan and Richard Cowan; additional reporting by Doina Chiacu and Lisa Lambert; Editing by Scott Malone and Alistair Bell)

 

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[Jingthing]

The senate has now delayed the second impeachment trial of Mr. trump until February on request of President Biden. This leaves time for the important confirmations needed for the white house and country to move forward under the new administration. 

[OneMoreFarang]

Let's look how many GOP politicians vote to impeach the guy who started an insurrection. And how many will continue to enable that traitor.

After the impeachment trial is done all those senators who don't work according to the constitution should be fired and prosecuted.

[spidermike007]

This impeachment is important. All hopes of a Trump return in 2024 must be extinguished now. Same goes for his entire family. They are all beyond toxic, and may their name remain radioactive for decades to come. The world needs hope, not the hatred and division these people sow. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Let's look how many GOP politicians vote to impeach the guy who started an insurrection. And how many will continue to enable that traitor.

After the impeachment trial is done all those senators who don't work according to the constitution should be fired and prosecuted.

Amazingly the majority of them still live in fear of Mr. trump! So they probably won't convict and their arguments will based on "process" rather than trying to defend his incitement of the insurrection, because they are smart enough to know that is completely indefensible. Don't confuse this game with them having principles! They're afraid. 

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Amazingly the majority of them still live in fear of Mr. trump! So they probably won't convict and their arguments will based on "process" rather than trying to defend his incitement of the insurrection, because they are smart enough to know that is completely indefensible. Don't confuse this game with them having principles! They're afraid. 

If he was debarred from holding office ever again, that fear would be eradicated. Their real fear is from his base who are less easy to remove. We won't see mass insurrection, as in storming the Capitol again but I'm certain that we'll see a major resurgence in lone gunmen carrying out mass shootings, the weapon of choice of the white supremacist lunatics.

[OneMoreFarang]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Amazingly the majority of them still live in fear of Mr. trump! So they probably won't convict and their arguments will based on "process" rather than trying to defend his incitement of the insurrection, because they are smart enough to know that is completely indefensible. Don't confuse this game with them having principles! They're afraid. 

I think they are more afraid of those 74 million who voted for Trump.

[AndyFoxy]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The world needs hope, not the hatred and division these people sow. 

Could be rewritten as, “The world needs the hate and division sown by the people I support, not the hate and division sown by the people I hate.”

[Jingthing]

I agree. I should have clarified it's about his base. But he still leads at least a large part of his base so it's still both him and his base.

[OneMoreFarang]

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This impeachment is important. All hopes of a Trump return in 2024 must be extinguished now. Same goes for his entire family. They are all beyond toxic, and may their name remain radioactive for decades to come. The world needs hope, not the hatred and division these people sow. 

Idiots and <deleted> exist in every country. But in most countries people don't vote to be ruled by them.

IMHO the main problem are all those stupid uneducated Americans. They have at least 70 million of them.

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Idiots and <deleted> exist in every country. But in most countries people don't vote to be ruled by them.

IMHO the main problem are all those stupid uneducated Americans. They have at least 70 million of them.

 

Well, I know alot of Trump supporters who are well educated, and intelligent. However, they drank the Kool aid, and bought into alot of the nonsense. But they were disenfranchised by decades of very poor performances by dem candidates and especially the extremely incompetent DNC.i think it is time for a truly independent party. Both the dems and the GOP are corrupt beyond repair. Though, I continue to favor the policies of centrist democrats.

[OneMoreFarang]

51 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well, I know alot of Trump supporters who are well educated, and intelligent. However, they drank the Kool aid, and bought into alot of the nonsense. But they were disenfranchised by decades of very poor performances by dem candidates and especially the extremely incompetent DNC.i think it is time for a truly independent party. Both the dems and the GOP are corrupt beyond repair. Though, I continue to favor the policies of centrist democrats.

I am sure there are some well educated and intelligent people who use Trump and his politics and his supporters to get what they want.

And I understand that the DEMs did their part that people don't want to vote for them. Hillary is a prime example.

And obviously there are people who are conservative and support conservative politics.

 

I struggle with the people who know, or should know, that Trump is a serial liar, people who know Qanon is BS, and "good" conservatives who support the constitutions, laws, etc. How can those people still support Trump? Especially looking at Biden as the alternative. Biden is still conservative, he is far away from left wing, communism and all that. 

 

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

This impeachment is important. All hopes of a Trump return in 2024 must be extinguished now. Same goes for his entire family. They are all beyond toxic, and may their name remain radioactive for decades to come. The world needs hope, not the hatred and division these people sow. 

MACAs, coke and cholesterol may prevent him before the impeachment trial.

 

[Jeffr2]

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/mcconnell-trump-impeachment-conviction-republicans/index.html

 

McConnell privately says he wants Trump gone as Republicans quietly lobby him to convict

 

As the House prepares to send articles of impeachment to the Senate on Monday, CNN has learned that dozens of influential Republicans around Washington -- including former top Trump administration officials -- have been quietly lobbying GOP members of Congress to impeach and convict Donald Trump. The effort is not coordinated but reflects a wider battle inside the GOP between those loyal to Trump and those who want to sever ties and ensure he can never run for President again.

 

"Mitch said to me he wants Trump gone," one Republican member of Congress told CNN. "It is in his political interest to have him gone. It is in the GOP interest to have him gone. The question is, do we get there?"

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The senate has now delayed the second impeachment trial of Mr. trump until February on request of President Biden. This leaves time for the important confirmations needed for the white house and country to move forward under the new administration. 

It also leaves time for more facts behind the attempted coup to be discovered and revealed by investigators and the press.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, AndyFoxy said:

Could be rewritten as, “The world needs the hate and division sown by the people I support, not the hate and division sown by the people I hate.”

Only if you can produce evidence of Democrats sowing hate sand division.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html

 

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

 

Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

[vandeventer]

This are joke right! Trump left office you can't impeach him as he is already gone! Your just s--- scared he will be back in 4 years, as Biden continues to screw up the country in only 2 days in office. Open borders will be one of his biggest downfalls plus all the other stupid things he is doing. Real Americans won't put up with S---.

[Sujo]

3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

This are joke right! Trump left office you can't impeach him as he is already gone! Your just s--- scared he will be back in 4 years, as Biden continues to screw up the country in only 2 days in office. Open borders will be one of his biggest downfalls plus all the other stupid things he is doing. Real Americans won't put up with S---.

He is already impeached.

 

You lost, get over it,

[AndyFoxy]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Only if you can produce evidence of Democrats sowing hate sand division.

I’m a member of that division. Bloody hate going to the beach.

Edited January 23, 2021 by AndyFoxy

[Jeffr2]

15 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

This are joke right! Trump left office you can't impeach him as he is already gone! Your just s--- scared he will be back in 4 years, as Biden continues to screw up the country in only 2 days in office. Open borders will be one of his biggest downfalls plus all the other stupid things he is doing. Real Americans won't put up with S---.

More like scared he'll kill off what's left of the GOP party. 

 

Real Americans already voted Trump out of office.  Time to accept that and move on.  You're the problem right now.  Not accepting a valid election.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed along with replies.  

 

[spidermike007]

His base has been dwindling since the election. Alot of conservative friends and family I have been speaking with, agree Biden won, and the fraud thing is a bit much, and a sure sign of a sore loser. I think the DC fiasco backfired for sure, and he lost alot of his "middle of the road, sensible, hard working, decent people" base. In addition to nearly the entire GOP establishment, which he had wrapped around his finger. It was an enormous miscalculation, and an act of sheer desperation by an unhinged madman. Now, with the permanent ban on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, he is almost a 305lb. zero. Almost. I predict his influence will continue to wane, once he is ingloriously ushered out of the white house in humiliation. 

Trump incited a riot. He has no limits of civility or temperance. And the more extremist nitwits within his base take what he says as literally as some fundamentalists take the Bible. Add in nutters like Cruz and Hawley, (small minded men just jockeying for a powerful future position) and you have a near civil war. Fair to intervene? Or just sit back, and let it happen? I think what FB and Twitter did was glorious, wise, and upholds the republic. I never in a million years thought Dorsey or Zuckerberg would have the mojo to do this. Good on them!
 

Be very afraid of extremist Trump supporters. They are not rational. They have very little common sense and reason. Most are conspiracy theorists, and were just looking for a contrarian fringe to latch onto. As shown on the 6th, they are capable of alot of violence, disarray, mayhem, sedition and possess an extreme lack of patriotism, masked as American fervor. I do not buy it for a nanosecond. If they were asked to fight, and put their blood on the line, they would cower into their basements, and soil their pants, just like their leader, and the other seditious senators, who refused to show up at the Trump capital riots. 

 

Michael D’Antonio, the author of a Trump biography, says the capitol incident has been a game-changer for the support of extreme politics.

“Trump’s name is really an albatross. He is the most disgraced president in history. This is a person who’s synonymous with a mob attacking the US Capitol. I just think this went a step too far.”

Other experts like Tim Calkins, a marketing professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, say Trump’s brand will inevitably suffer long-term.

“Before his term, Trump stood for wealth, success and over-the-top luxury. Now the brand has associations with anti-government views, racism and extremism. This makes the brand fairly toxic.”

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However, after four years of human wrecking ball behavior, chaos, the spread of Covid (which could have been largely contained in the US, had he been a responsible leader and citizen), the destructive trade war with China, his losses with Kim and Putin, countless foreign policy blunders, his sycophantic behavior with the murderous MBS, and his continual upheaval, the fake law and order nonsense, the fake electoral fraud nonsense, his lack of loyalty to his nation, and his efforts to start both a civil and a cultural war, I do not have any kind feelings towards this man, or his family, and do not wish them well, on any level. I am thrilled he is gone. There is an adult leading America now. A capable man of dignity, kindness, generosity of spirit, and grace.
 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I am sure there are some well educated and intelligent people who use Trump and his politics and his supporters to get what they want.

And I understand that the DEMs did their part that people don't want to vote for them. Hillary is a prime example.

And obviously there are people who are conservative and support conservative politics.

 

I struggle with the people who know, or should know, that Trump is a serial liar, people who know Qanon is BS, and "good" conservatives who support the constitutions, laws, etc. How can those people still support Trump? Especially looking at Biden as the alternative. Biden is still conservative, he is far away from left wing, communism and all that. 

 

 

Biden is, and always has been quite centrist. The whole communist thing, was part of the juvenile name calling that Don liked to engage in. Anyone who was not a republican, was either a socialist or a communist. I have rational, intelligent friends who mimic this. I suppose in life it is easier to just parrot something, than to have original ideas of one's own. I call people out on that. Same as I call people out who are preaching, and use only scripture in their sales pitch. I say tell me about your own personal realizations, that you have been gifted, as a result of the hours you spend in contemplation, prayer and meditation. It shuts them right up. Same with politics. Tell me about your own ideas, not the White House (former) talking points. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You are 100% wrong. Pls show EXACTLY where Trump told his supporters to "storm the capitol". In my mind Trump asking his fans to protest "peacefully and patriotically" is not a call for violence. It is the exact opposite.

Welcome back TDC, nice to see you’ve recovered enough from your election and inauguration shock to start posting again.

 

The FBI are investigating the failed coup, many have already been arrested and charged, they now face substantial prison time and are naturally cooperating with investigators to provide information on who lead them.

 

As you are probably aware, the FBI have a long history of securing convictions against the organizers of crimes in cases where the ringleader resorts to implied orders to achieve the result they wish.

 

I wouldn’t hang any hopes on the idea that Trump never explicitly ordered a crime, he doesn’t have to be explicit to be found guilty.

 

Examples are: A mob boss doesn’t have to explicitly order a crime in order to be convicted for the crime when it occurs. A drug dealer doesn’t have to explicitly agree to sell an explicitly named drug to be convicted of conspiracy to sell that drug.

 

 

Now that Trump has lost control of the DoJ he can no longer quash or corrupt the investigation he is facing.

 

 

Welcome back TDC and welcome to a post Trump world in which semantics, obfuscation and killing investigations will not save Trump and his coconspirators.

 

[meechai]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Welcome back TDC, nice to see you’ve recovered enough from your election and inauguration shock to start posting again.

No use replying as anything that is not far left is usually already removed as you can now see

[meechai]

31 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Let us hope his brand continues to diminish, his name continues to spiral into oblivion, his empire continues to dwindle, and his family continues to become less relevant by the day. I do not wish ill on many people. However,

Classic the usual Hate rant disguised as anti-hate "However"????

[Jeffr2]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Welcome back TDC, nice to see you’ve recovered enough from your election and inauguration shock to start posting again.

 

The FBI are investigating the failed coup, many have already been arrested and charged, they now face substantial prison time and are naturally cooperating with investigators to provide information on who lead them.

 

As you are probably aware, the FBI have a long history of securing convictions against the organizers of crimes in cases where the ringleader resorts to implied orders to achieve the result they wish.

 

I wouldn’t hang any hopes on the idea that Trump never explicitly ordered a crime, he doesn’t have to be explicit to be found guilty.

 

Examples are: A mob boss doesn’t have to explicitly order a crime in order to be convicted for the crime when it occurs. A drug dealer doesn’t have to explicitly agree to sell an explicitly named drug to be convicted of conspiracy to sell that drug.

 

 

Now that Trump has lost control of the DoJ he can no longer quash or corrupt the investigation he is facing.

 

 

Welcome back TDC and welcome to a post Trump world in which semantics, obfuscation and killing investigations will not save Trump and his coconspirators.

 

Not sure I'd waste time with TDC.  He's already posted he's 100% drank the koolaid and not going to change.  Sad times when people are like this.

[spidermike007]

45 minutes ago, meechai said:

Classic the usual Hate rant disguised as anti-hate "However"????

 

Well, he has worked very hard to earn that hatred, enmity, lack of respect and lack of honor. It will last for the rest of his sorry lifetime. Billions around the planet despise the man, for dozens of valid reasons. Do you expect that to just go away overnight? Not gonna happen. 

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, meechai said:

No use replying as anything that is not far left is usually already removed as you can now see

Facts matter