The "Game Changer" (that must come)...........

[swissie]

Currently (at least in Europe), the general governement consensus is that already vaccinated people should not be privileged over unvaccinated folks. For now.

In other words: Before everybody, including his uncle is vaccinated, no international Tourism on a major scale will be allowed. Unrealistic, as a good number of "southern" countries economies are based on tourism as they have nothing much else to sell!

I predict that in the near future there will be internationally accepted "Vaccination-Certificates" issued, making "guided/controlled tourism" possible again. (Denmark has already issued such "Vaccination-Certificates") as a trailblazer.

 

An inevitable "game-changer" in the making with no alternative. The only Alternative would be: Wait 15 years until everybody in Africa and South America is vaccinated, before worldwide travel/tourism can legally resume? = Bovine droppings!

 

What would that mean for Pattaya?
1) Due to eternal "lockdowns", anyone in Europe has not experienced much Thai-Style "Sanuk & Sabai" lately. The "pent-up" demand for Sanuk & Sabai must be at an all time high as there has been no Sanuk & Sabai available for a long time. The European-Style of Sanuk & Sabai has never appealed to me much.

2) How much time would it take to re-open a bar in Pattaya? About 2 hours to re-stack with beer. Even in the remotested corner of Thailand, former Bar-Staff, currently hybernating in the sticks, could be back in Pattaya within 48 hours by bus.

No electricity for the first couple of days at the bar? No problem. The vaccinated European seekers of Sanuk & Sabai won't mind sipping their beer by candlelight.
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Seriously: "Capitalism" in the Western World has become cumbersome to say the least. On a small scale, the Thai "Capitalism" is still rather "uncomplicated" in comparison. Making it possible to react to new economic circumstances practically overnight.

PS: Should an internatinally accepted "Vaccinaton-Certificate" come into play, (THE GAME CHANGER) I expect to spend a hassle free holiday in Pattaya in early June.        June 2021 not 2022, well understood.
Assuming that (inevitably) an International Vaccination Certificate will come into effect, some of us may be surprised how fast a place like Pattaya can arise from the ashes.
I myself would like to be there, when the Phoenix arises from the ashes. If necessary by candlelight, with my Internationally Accepted Vaccination Certificate dangeling around my neck.
Cheers.

[Jingthing]

Curb your enthusiasm. Much more likely things aren't back until 2024.

 

[RichardColeman]

Personally - even though I will be vaccinated by end of April - I cannot see me getting back to the family until at least October / November.

 

I'd expect at that time to have to show evidence of vaccination only. though what that will be I have no clue.

 

I doubt all hoops travel will be released until mid 2022

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

 

Stay at home

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, swissie said:

I predict that in the near future there will be internationally accepted "Vaccination-Certificates" issued, making "guided/controlled tourism" possible again.

 

I'm reasonably certain that this will never happen

 

There might be certificates issued by hospitals but I really don't see governments getting involved here, especially western governments.

 

If some countries don't like it then that's hard luck.

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

I'm reasonably certain that this will never happen

 

There might be certificates issued by hospitals but I really don't see governments getting involved here, especially western governments.

 

If some countries don't like it then that's hard luck.

 

I think that the airlines might organize some kind of program like that but details of who to let in and under what health proof conditions will continue to be up to all the sovereign nations in the world. In other words, they will all have their visa policies, and they will also have their own Covid entry policies. 

[redwood1]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Curb your enthusiasm. Much more likely things aren't back until 2024.

 

I really wonder where your getting this date/year from? This this is the year I have been thinking about based on the length historical pandemics..

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I really wonder where your getting this date/year from? This this is the year I have been thinking about based on the length historical pandemics..

I follow a lot of sources and can't point to one, but the consensus of the sources that I find credible don't share the optimism of the O.P.  Not even close. Yes, some of the sources mention the history of pandemics as well to explain their less than optimistic timelines. The easy answer is that nobody knows but it's fair that people are looking for an estimate. I'm going to assume that we all want this to be over last year, but desires and reality tend to differ.

[carlyai]

On my recent temple visit July 2021 is the time I'll be flying internationally again. 

Might have to be vaccinated and quarintein at the other end for 2 weeks, but July it is.

(I'm never wrong). ????

[HashBrownHarry]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Curb your enthusiasm. Much more likely things aren't back until 2024.

 

Curb you pessimism, things are improving everywhere.

 

At times it sounds like you don't want things to get better, along with a couple of other posters that comment doom and gloom all the time.

 

[1FinickyOne]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Curb your enthusiasm. Much more likely things aren't back until 2024.

 

For the survivors and walking wounded? 

 

5 hours ago, swissie said:

the Western World has become cumbersome to say the least.

and if we have to wait in line to get in would it be 'que-cumber-some?' 

[Henryford]

Did the flu jab eradicate flu? 'nuff said.

[Suphawk]

47 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Did the flu jab eradicate flu? 'nuff said.

I was just thinking the same thing. Anyone else ready for a yearly covid vaccine shot?

[jacko45k]

48 minutes ago, Suphawk said:

I was just thinking the same thing. Anyone else ready for a yearly covid vaccine shot?

I never feared the flu, Covid concerns me more.... let us hope a longer lasting vaccine comes about, but I might expect travel restrictions without a Covid jab, so  little choice.

[AgMech Cowboy]

14 hours ago, swissie said:

I predict that in the near future there will be internationally accepted "Vaccination-Certificates" issued, making "guided/controlled tourism" possible again. (Denmark has already issued such "Vaccination-Certificates") as a trailblazer.

So, if you have already had COVID19 and recovered, you're now going to require that same person get a vaccination (& certificate)??

 

7 hours ago, Suphawk said:

Anyone else ready for a yearly covid vaccine shot?

No...

[Mike Rodik]

8 hours ago, Henryford said:

Did the flu jab eradicate flu? 'nuff said.

 

people seem to forget that

 

and the flu jab came after years & years of "research"...

[Leaver]

15 hours ago, swissie said:

I predict that in the near future there will be internationally accepted "Vaccination-Certificates" issued, making "guided/controlled tourism" possible again.

 

OP, even after being vaccinated, you can still be infected with the virus, and still spread the virus.  

 

Whilst you may have been vaccinated, and can prove this by way of some type of certificate, you will not be traveling to a country where no one has been vaccinated, or a low percentage of the population has been vaccinated. 

 

There would need to be at least 50% to 60% of Thai's vaccinated, before international travellers are allowed to enter Thailand.  That said, tourists areas like Phuket may vaccinate the island's Thai population and than enforce a no Thai's in or out policy until the majority of the Thai population has been vaccinated.  They may do this in order to start to revive some tourism, in some areas.

 

Given Thailand has around 70 million people, how many years, yes, years, not months, before an amount of the Thai population has been vaccinated before it's even considered to allow vaccinated tourists back into Thailand?

 

Yourself being vaccinated is just the first step.  The people of the country you wish to travel to also have to be vaccinated, and let's hope both happens before the virus mutates into a strain that the current vaccination will not be effective against. 

 

[Guderian]

Yes, it will be a game changer, but for all the wrong sorts of people.

 

Psst, anybody want to buy one of these, only 5,000 Baht and they allow you to travel anywhere without quarantine...

 

 

See what I mean?

[from the home of CC]

15 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Personally - even though I will be vaccinated by end of April - I cannot see me getting back to the family until at least October / November.

 

I'd expect at that time to have to show evidence of vaccination only. though what that will be I have no clue.

 

I doubt all hoops travel will be released until mid 2022

 

 

by the time 6 months passes you may need a booster of some kind to be allowed to enter this country (the byproduct of rampant unchecked disease altering itself for survival)..

[Golden Triangle]

Absolutely no problem in Thailand, by high season this year there will be at least 10 million tourists, you heard it here, not quite 1st, but some people reckon it's doable ????

[swissie]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

OP, even after being vaccinated, you can still be infected with the virus, and still spread the virus.  

 

Whilst you may have been vaccinated, and can prove this by way of some type of certificate, you will not be traveling to a country where no one has been vaccinated, or a low percentage of the population has been vaccinated. 

 

There would need to be at least 50% to 60% of Thai's vaccinated, before international travellers are allowed to enter Thailand.  That said, tourists areas like Phuket may vaccinate the island's Thai population and than enforce a no Thai's in or out policy until the majority of the Thai population has been vaccinated.  They may do this in order to start to revive some tourism, in some areas.

 

Given Thailand has around 70 million people, how many years, yes, years, not months, before an amount of the Thai population has been vaccinated before it's even considered to allow vaccinated tourists back into Thailand?

 

Yourself being vaccinated is just the first step.  The people of the country you wish to travel to also have to be vaccinated, and let's hope both happens before the virus mutates into a strain that the current vaccination will not be effective against. 

 

Currently, our woldwide vaccinations crawl along at a snails pace. If we can't increase the global vaccination rate dramatically, my vaccination concept CAN NOT WORK! I realise that.

 

Is there any hope? Maybe. More and more Vaccines will become available in the near future.
AND: The "Governments of the world" will just have to realise that the vaccination rate WILL HAVE TO BE INCREASED. One way or the other.
Otherwise the virus (and it's mutants) will be with us forever.

[Leaver]

2 minutes ago, swissie said:

If we can't increase the global vaccination rate dramatically, my vaccination concept CAN NOT WORK!

 

Correct.  It can not work.

 

2 minutes ago, swissie said:

Is there any hope?

 

Swap hope for patience.

 

5 minutes ago, swissie said:

More and more Vaccines will become available in the near future.

 

Yes, they will, but that "near future" is not as near as you think, and it's not just the manufacturing, it's the distribution and administering.  

 

6 minutes ago, swissie said:

Otherwise the virus (and it's mutants) will be with us forever.

 

This is why the race is on, not just for the world's economy, but to halt the virus before it mutates into a strain the vaccination will not be effective against, then the whole world is back to square one with Covid-20.  

[Enoon]

19 minutes ago, swissie said:

Otherwise the virus (and it's mutants) will be with us forever.

 

We're all expecting "And they all lived happily ever".

 

That has been conditioned into all of us, that was the eternal promise of the "Modern".

 

Maybe we don't......maybe the microbes win.

 

I can only hope that my thoughts are no more than mid-war fatigue and depression.

 

 

 

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, Mike Rodik said:

 

people seem to forget that

 

and the flu jab came after years & years of "research"...

 

People seem to forget that there's dozens of very different influenza viruses that have been emerging for centirues but there's only one significant COVID at the moment and it may stay that way for decades to come.

[Surelynot]

17 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I'm reasonably certain that this will never happen

 

There might be certificates issued by hospitals but I really don't see governments getting involved here, especially western governments.

 

If some countries don't like it then that's hard luck.

 

UK government to facilitate says minister

[Surelynot]

17 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I'm reasonably certain that this will never happen

 

There might be certificates issued by hospitals but I really don't see governments getting involved here, especially western governments.

 

If some countries don't like it then that's hard luck.

 

 

[Surelynot]

17 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

I'm reasonably certain that this will never happen

 

There might be certificates issued by hospitals but I really don't see governments getting involved here, especially western governments.

 

If some countries don't like it then that's hard luck.

 

 

[Somchai Jackson]

18 hours ago, swissie said:

The only Alternative would be: Wait 15 years until everybody in Africa and South America is vaccinated, before worldwide travel/tourism can legally resume?

Well if you don't then the white westerners will be discriminating against people of color like they usually do.  Back to white privilege based on vaccinations.  Like normal.

[Somchai Jackson]

16 minutes ago, ukrules said:

 

People seem to forget that there's dozens of very different influenza viruses that have been emerging for centirues but there's only one significant COVID at the moment and it may stay that way for decades to come.

It's best just to close down international travel except for well-heeled corporate executives heads of state and VIPs.  If you let just anybody travel then this pandemic will still be here 20 years from now.

[Leaver]

13 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

UK government to facilitate says minister

 

What is such a document worth, when wishing to travel to a country where they haven't even started to vaccinate their population yet?