Aggressive uncontrolled dogs ( What are my rights? )

[cnxgary]

My neighbor 2 houses away has 4 dogs that continue to be aggressive to joggers, motorcyclists and bicycle riders. My wife was bitten on the foot while on motorbike yesterday and recently a young girl was knocked off her bicycle. They howl in the mornings and all through the night. I have purchased a dog whistle and want to but a slingshot but I am wary of unknown laws or regulations. What are my or any ones rights when dealing with this problem?

[FritsSikkink]

16 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

My neighbor 2 houses away has 4 dogs that continue to be aggressive to joggers, motorcyclists and bicycle riders. My wife was bitten on the foot while on motorbike yesterday and recently a young girl was knocked off her bicycle. They howl in the mornings and all through the night. I have purchased a dog whistle and want to but a slingshot but I am wary of unknown laws or regulations. What are my or any ones rights when dealing with this problem?

If your wife has been bitten, you go to the owner and demand payment for cost and stress. 

[jak2002003]

You have less rights than the dogs.

[Morch]

26 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

My neighbor 2 houses away has 4 dogs that continue to be aggressive to joggers, motorcyclists and bicycle riders. My wife was bitten on the foot while on motorbike yesterday and recently a young girl was knocked off her bicycle. They howl in the mornings and all through the night. I have purchased a dog whistle and want to but a slingshot but I am wary of unknown laws or regulations. What are my or any ones rights when dealing with this problem?

 

You can approach the owner and ask for damages for the attack. Wouldn't place much expectations on that. Could also turn nasty or make things worse.

 

If you're in a village with a headman, can take it up with him. Outcome depending about headman's character.

 

If you're within city limits, can involve the municipal services, and depending on how serious you  are about it, there can be some fines/enforcement involved. Again, mileage varies. Same thing with the police. If you can get other neighbors onboard, better.

 

Bear in mind that almost any such confrontation could lead to escalation, so try and keep a level head when dealing with it.

 

EDIT - As for the barking: unless it's really near, really loud and goes on all night - nothing you can do about it. And even then, more difficult to handle. I'd focus on the biting angle.

[WaveHunter]

42 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

My neighbor 2 houses away has 4 dogs that continue to be aggressive to joggers, motorcyclists and bicycle riders. My wife was bitten on the foot while on motorbike yesterday and recently a young girl was knocked off her bicycle. They howl in the mornings and all through the night. I have purchased a dog whistle and want to but a slingshot but I am wary of unknown laws or regulations. What are my or any ones rights when dealing with this problem?

Under section 433 of the Thai Civil and Commercial Code, the dog's owner is responsible to compensate the injured party (your wife) for damage caused by his/her dogs.  Thailand places restrictions on monetary claims for emotional distress so probably no go on that.

 

Further, under section 358 of the Thai Penal Code, the owner can be charged for damaging, destroying, or causing destruction of the property of another as a result of negligent actions.  In addition, Section 377 of the Thai Penal Code states that the owner is responsible for a vicious animal if that animal is allowed to wander freely and is likely to cause injury to persons or property. Both crimes provide for imprisonment and/or a fine. 

 

Look up Thai language versions of these codes and present them to the owner (if he/she does not speak English).  The threat of legal action with specific codes may make the owner take heed and possibly compensate you for damages, or you could just file a complaint with the police, which would certainly be appropriate especially if injuries required medical treatment.

[Pilotman]

definitely start with the village Head Shed.  You can't be just the only ones impacted by the irresponsibility of the owner. Make an official report to the Police.  Again, you may not get anywhere, but you should try.  One thing is for sure, dont put up with it.

 

The next bit is more controversial, but I do challenge aggressive dogs with a big thick stick that I carry, actually two.  I do this to protect my own two small dogs when we are out on walks.  I have had one animal really come at me.  I stayed clear, shouted very loudly and wrapped him on the head, hard several times, he soon gave up and turned away.  Unless they are a large pack working in unison, which you do get sometimes,  or they have rabies, they will back off, if you seem more aggressive, and louder,  than they are.  The good thing is that they will remember you and keep clear. It helps not to be female  and to be quite a big bloke.  They are far from stupid and will back off if they feel in danger. Risky I know, but a necessity if you are out to protect yourself or your own dogs 

[Surelynot]

23 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

You have less rights than the dogs.

Damn...that was my line.

[Naughtius Maximus]

Is there any reason why you haven't sorted this out yourself with extreme prejudice?

[Pilotman]

3 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Because I like living here, and I'm not actively looking for trouble. If I can deal with things without violence or direct confrontation, all the better.

 

If you live in a city, maybe different. Village life can be different.

It can be different, but you can't be the only one impacted and in my experience, the village need to know that you are not a push over, and that you just want to live in harmony with your fellows.  

[FritsSikkink]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Because I like living here, and I'm not actively looking for trouble. If I can deal with things without violence or direct confrontation, all the better.

 

If you live in a city, maybe different. Village life can be different.

I lived both in city and village, if my wife gets bitten by his dog, he will pay, end of story.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Naughtius Maximus said:

Is there any reason why you haven't sorted this out yourself with extreme prejudice?

 

Maybe OP is not an idiot?

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

If I can deal with things without violence

and want to buy a slingshot?.....not a good idea.....that will invite a crossbow...then knife...then gun.

 

If you can get hold of a frontline, human TB antibiotic I have a solution.

[cnxgary]

So am I permitted to use a sling shot? Any laws against that? What if I injure a dog?

[FritsSikkink]

40 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

You have less rights than the dogs.

No, you don't, read a bit about Thai law, quite interesting. 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

It can be different, but you can't be the only one impacted and in my experience, the village need to know that you are not a push over, and that you just want to live in harmony with your fellows.  

 

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

I lived both in city and village, if my wife gets bitten by his dog, he will pay, end of story.

 

I agree that it needs to be dealt with, just doubt that getting in people's faces does a whole lot of good here, most times. Showing you're not a pushover is one thing, beating the <deleted> out of someone is another. Try to bear in mind we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothies.

[WaveHunter]

11 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

The next bit is more controversial, but I do challenge aggressive dogs with a big thick stick that I carry, actually two.  I do this to protect my own two small dogs when we are out on walks.  I have had one animal really come at me.  I stayed clear, shouted very loudly and wrapped him on the head, hard several times, he soon gave up and turned away.  Unless they are a large pack working in unison, which you do get sometimes,  or they have rabies, they will back off, if you seem more aggressive, and louder,  than they are.  The good thing is that they will remember you and keep clear. It helps not to be female  and to be quite a big bloke.  They are far from stupid and will back off if they feel in danger. Risky I know, but a necessity if you are out to protect yourself or your own dogs 

I've had my fair share of run ins with street dogs as a bicyclist, and even just walking down streets at night.  Even if you don't have a stick handy, just raising your arm and yelling like you're going to throw something will often make a dog back off.  Even packs will respond to this since they will do whatever the alpha does, and it's very easy to know which one that is usually so just focus on him.

 

I've successfully done this a number of items.  The reasoning behind this is that dogs are incapable of "throwing" objects, and if they have ever been hit by a human with a stick or rock or whatever, they are in awe of that...and most of the more aggressive dogs have probably have experienced that.  So the mere motion of raising your arm is likely to make them back off.

 

Agree though that challenging them as aggressively as possible is the way to go, especially if it is a pack.

 

If actual contact is necessary to dissuade an attack, kick them right in the teeth (assuming you have shoes on)!  I've done that a couple of times, and they back off real quick, especially if you're wearing cycling shoes with metal cleats and they end up with a bloody mouth and broken teeth in my experience LOL ????

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, cnxgary said:

 What if I injure a dog?

Who cares, he bit your wife.

[FritsSikkink]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

 

I agree that it needs to be dealt with, just doubt that getting in people's faces does a whole lot of good here, most times. Showing you're not a pushover is one thing, beating the <deleted> out of someone is another. Try to bear in mind we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothies.

Been around here for 40 years, works fine to let people know you have power.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

So am I permitted to use a sling shot? Any laws against that? What if I injure a dog?

 

Injuring  an animal is an offense. So probably not a great idea. All the more so if there's an owner and if people see you at it.

[Morch]

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

Been around here for 40 years, works fine to let people know you have power.

 

Whatever works for you. Glad we're not neighbors.

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

So am I permitted to use a sling shot? Any laws against that? What if I injure a dog?

Pepper spray....I used to carry a small can when running.....never actually used it, but felt more comfortable knowing it was to hand.

[WaveHunter]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Injuring  an animal is an offense. So probably not a great idea. All the more so if there's an owner and if people see you at it.

Carrying a "weapon" which is what a sling shot is...probably not a wise idea.  However, Injuring an aggressive dog, even fatally, with a stick, rock, etc... that you reasonably believe is an eminent threat is entirely appropriate...and even if there was legal fallout, i'd rather deal with that than a visit to the hospital...or worse!

[WaveHunter]

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Pepper spray....I used to carry a small can when running.....never actually used it, but felt more comfortable knowing it was to hand.

Bad idea.  You can get in legal trouble with pepper spray.  It is technically a "weapon".  Besides, in an actual confrontation, things happen quickly and even if you spray the dog, he'll probably make contact with you before the spray has an effect.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, WaveHunter said:

Carrying a "weapon" which is what a sling shot is...probably not a wise idea.  However, Injuring an aggressive dog, even fatally, with a stick, rock, etc... that you reasonably believe is an eminent threat is entirely appropriate...and even if there was legal fallout, i'd rather deal with that than a visit to the hospital...or worse!

Quite a few Thai runners were we used to live....some ran with a smallish stick....experience I guess.

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Because I like living here, and I'm not actively looking for trouble. If I can deal with things without violence or direct confrontation, all the better.

 

If you live in a city, maybe different. Village life can be different.

I doubt its the difference between city or village life. I am just like you try to avoid violence at all cost confrontation too. No need for me to demonstrate im a man and get aggressive. I prefer to solve things without violence and keep on reasonable terms with people.

 

 

[Pilotman]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Who cares, he bit your wife.

take the dog and get it an injection of anti biotics. If I bit my wife,  Its likely to have caught 'mad cow disease'. 

 

Sorry sweetheart, love you really. 

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, cnxgary said:

So am I permitted to use a sling shot? Any laws against that? What if I injure a dog?

If you injure a dog you can be charged with animal abuse. Has happened to some foreigners already. So be careful. 

[WaveHunter]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Quite a few Thai runners were we used to live....some ran with a smallish stick....experience I guess.

Yeah, carrying stick is appropriate but carrying a concealed weapon (sling shot, pepper spray, whatever) is not. More effective IMO too.  Sling shots, pepper spray, etc take too much time and a dog will not visually recognize it as a threat, whereas challenging the dog by quickly raising a stick in the air and yelling will clearly be recognized.

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Carrying a "weapon" which is what a sling shot is...probably not a wise idea.  However, Injuring an aggressive dog, even fatally, with a stick, rock, etc... that you reasonably believe is an eminent threat is entirely appropriate...and even if there was legal fallout, i'd rather deal with that than a visit to the hospital...or worse!

 

Stick or boot for me. Yes, circumstances matter and sure, if push comes to shove, no problems. As said, stuff that can be considered a weapon or intentional attack, not so much.

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Carrying a "weapon" which is what a sling shot is...probably not a wise idea.  However, Injuring an aggressive dog, even fatally, with a stick, rock, etc... that you reasonably believe is an eminent threat is entirely appropriate...and even if there was legal fallout, i'd rather deal with that than a visit to the hospital...or worse!

Yes I should know better...I bought my three daughters a can of "dog attack" spray each...they all live in central London.

 

On of them was visiting her sister at the House of Commons....forgot it was in her handbag.....security found it.....all hell broke loose......she spent 12 hours in a prison cell and was eventually found guilty of a category 5 fire arms offense......fined £500.......guess who paid?