Trump's impeachment trial lawyers aim to shift blame; Democrats say he has no defense

[candide]

Is there a sun ray?

"A Capitol riot suspect known as the "QAnon Shaman" said he was "deeply disappointed" in former President Donald Trump for not being "honorable." ????

https://news.yahoo.com/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, watthong said:

 

Yes, I absolutely concur, these people are not my friends, they are enemies of the (American) people, pontificators of fake news, according to my master. Those who love him unconditionally, for instance the Proud Boys, are my true compatriots, cause we are "very special" people along with the Qanon followers, such as Marjorie Greene, who inspite of stalking a teenage school shooting survivor, recently announced publicly that school shootings are not staged, they really happened (if not for certain political purpose), same goes for 9/11 and that dems are idiots - or more like pesky gnats need to be swatted out for obstructing her agenda.

 

And last but not least Cruz, Graham, Hawley, Gosar and the likes are true national heroes who will bring day of reckoning to the American political system. The storming of the Capitol is only a dry run which has proved that the final coming is totally conceivable and well on its way, where Trump would rise up from the sea on a half-shell (hopefully fully clothed) to the disco tune of "Gloria" of course.

Careful now, Watthong, some people on this forum are somewhat irony impaired, to say the least .......

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, candide said:

Is there a sun ray?

"A Capitol riot suspect known as the "QAnon Shaman" said he was "deeply disappointed" in former President Donald Trump for not being "honorable." ????

https://news.yahoo.com/capitol-riot-suspect-known-qanon-070146912.html

To think that clown is headed for the history books. The shaman I mean. 

[jcsmith]

You can view the impeachment presentation video from today on Youtube. 

[Jeffr2]

This is all Trump and his enablers do. Try and shift blame to others.

 

He's already been impeached. Again.

[animalmagic]

9 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Why did  Trump, when witnessing violence on live TV not immediately go live and demand his followers stand down, or at least fart out a  tweet? He was in fact cheering them on, overjoyed imho. We need an inquiry to determine exactly what Trump was doing minute for minute during the insurrection similar to the dozens of Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi inquiries as a directed against HRC by the vast right-wing conspiracy.

Minute for minute during the insurrection would be nice, but I would prefer to see day by day before the insurrection.

[J Town]

4 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Careful now, Watthong, some people on this forum are somewhat irony impaired, to say the least .......

The problem is, unless you remark a post is sarcasm, some here DO believe the former president (he hates that term) walks on water.

[animalmagic]

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

The problem is, unless you remark a post is sarcasm, some here DO believe the former president (he hates that term) walks on water.

If you don't like the term 'the former president' might I suggest something I read a few days ago - 

'president reject'?

[J Town]

An interesting point I heard today - If the former president is not held accountable, the next time this happens, the insurrectionist may call for military assistance from a foreign country.

 

Make no mistake, this is being carefully scrutinized by enemies of the US.

[ExpatOK]

1 hour ago, jcsmith said:

You can view the impeachment presentation video from today on Youtube. 

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

Edited February 10, 2021 by ExpatOK

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

You're behind the times, it was voted constitutional some time ago.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

You are living in an alternate reality. Stop watching OAN. Please.

[mtraveler]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

Don't you find it remotely interesting that the same people who today voted the trial unconstitutional because it was AFTER the President's term were the SAME people who stood by silently while McConnell kicked the can down the road so the trial could not be held DURING the President's term?  And please don't say it wasn't each and every Senator's choice to remain silent at that time.  

 

I don't care if he called for a peaceful protest.  He did more than enough to whip up the crowd.  And to set the scene for 2 months claiming the election was rigged.  And once the insurrection began, he did nothing to get help to the Capitol police immediately.  

[johnnybangkok]

4 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

There was nothing 'selective' about pointing out how Trump tried to undermine a democratic election months before it actually happened and there was nothing 'selective' in calling it a 'steal' once he lost. And there was certainly nothing 'selective' in gathering a crowd, winding them up and pointing them in the direction of the Capitol. These are facts.

Such obvious incitement was plain to see for everyone (apart of course for those wearing Trump tinted glasses) and provide context to what Trump said on the day. And since it's now been passed by Congress as being absolutely constitutional, the only thing now that you and most Trump fans can relying on is a 'terrified of his base' Senate who won't do their job and punish him for his actions.

The only charade here is from the Senate, Trump and the likes of you, pretending nothing really happened. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by johnnybangkok

[Eric Loh]

Is this the future of America politics where a corrupt President can get away from being held accountable for inciting an insurrection by partisanship in congress. Appallingly bad image to the free world. Utterly disgraceful US politics. 

[Sujo]

7 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

You forgot to say it was antifa that stormed the capitol.

[SunnyinBangrak]

8 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

How can they leave out the "peacefully and patriotically" order Trump gave the crowd? It is just so dishonest. Goes way beyond spinning a narrative to suit their needs , it is more akin to pushing an entirely false narrative if they leave out his orders for the crowd to behave. Total disgrace.

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

How can they leave out the "peacefully and patriotically" order Trump gave the crowd? It is just so dishonest. Goes way beyond spinning a narrative to suit their needs , it is more akin to pushing an entirely false narrative if they leave out his orders for the crowd to behave. Total disgrace.

And what's your excuse for the many hours after the mob arrived at the Capitol (and Trump could see for himself what was happening) the complete and utter lack of asking the 'crowd to behave' or mobilising the National Guard?
There was ample opportunity for Trump to call back the hounds. He chose not to.   

[Sujo]

20 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

How can they leave out the "peacefully and patriotically" order Trump gave the crowd? It is just so dishonest. Goes way beyond spinning a narrative to suit their needs , it is more akin to pushing an entirely false narrative if they leave out his orders for the crowd to behave. Total disgrace.

 

 

You really arent saying nice things about your fellow trump supporters, saying they were too dumb to know it was peaceful.

 

Perhaps it was antifa.

[johnnybangkok]

19 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

 

I believe SunnyinBangrak was being sarcastic (although I could be wrong).

I wish he was. He believes this BS

[watthong]

17 hours ago, J Town said:

The problem is, unless you remark a post is sarcasm, some here DO believe the former president (he hates that term) walks on water.

 

"...well on its way, where Trump would rise up from the sea on a half-shell (hopefully fully clothed) to the disco tune of "Gloria", " was my sarcasm flag at the end of said post. But then for people who think Trump walks on water, that might have rung true! Touche'.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

17 hours ago, animalmagic said:

If you don't like the term 'the former president' might I suggest something I read a few days ago - 

'president reject'?

I prefer to call him "The Plaintiff" 

[watthong]

15 hours ago, mtraveler said:

I don't care if he called for a peaceful protest.  He did more than enough to whip up the crowd.  And to set the scene for 2 months claiming the election was rigged.  And once the insurrection began, he did nothing to get help to the Capitol police immediately.  

 

The moment (months before November 3rd) he said these words: "The only way we can lose this election is if it is rigged," Trump should have been impeached right then and there. By denying the possibility of a fair election in a democracy, he has betrayed the oath to uphold the constitution.

[Rimmer]

A baiting post and replies removed

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/9/2021 at 10:48 AM, webfact said:

The Senate will pause from Friday evening to Saturday evening to honor a request by lawyer Schoen, who observes the Jewish Sabbath, and resume on Sunday.

???????????????

Sooooo, can't work when a Jew wants to observe the Jewish holy day, but it's OK to work on the Christian holy day? Something is wrong here IMO. If it's necessary to pause for one religion, it should be necessary to stop for all 3. So, no work on Friday, Saturday or Sunday seems fair to me. Just as well Buddhists and Hindus don't have a holy day ( far as I know ) then.

[bunnydrops]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

???????????????

Sooooo, can't work when a Jew wants to observe the Jewish holy day, but it's OK to work on the Christian holy day? Something is wrong here IMO. If it's necessary to pause for one religion, it should be necessary to stop for all 3. So, no work on Friday, Saturday or Sunday seems fair to me. Just as well Buddhists and Hindus don't have a holy day ( far as I know ) then.

It was a request! Could have been denied. No one else made a request. Buddhist don't have a holy day?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/10/2021 at 1:45 PM, ExpatOK said:

 

 

The Democrats selectively spliced together a bunch of random scenes and left out President Trump's calls for a peaceful protest. The American people will see through this and this entire charade has no chance of success. 45 Senators have already declared it unconstitutional so it's DOA.

Indeed.

I remember a few posters making comments to the effect that Trump was gone and forgotten on 21 January, but seems that despite not having social media anymore, the Democrats are giving him all the airtime he could wish for. Biden must be "annoyed" that while this is on his agenda has come to a halt, and all the media attention is now on Trump. I hope they do allow witnesses to be called and it goes on for weeks and weeks.

I watched some of the trial, but they were just saying the same thing over and over, and showing the same VDOs that we've seen ever since 6 December, so I got too bored to continue watching.

I wonder what odds the bookies are giving for a conviction- I'm guessing that unless the Democrats can provide some actual evidence of Trump saying to someone else that he wanted the violence or to see Pence killed the result will be the same as at the first trial.

Most politically aware people would, IMO, understand that saying "fight" in a political context is on the same level as sports people "fighting" and  "battling" on a playing field. I'm pretty sure politicians of all parties use such language during campaigns.

[thaibeachlovers]

27 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

It was a request! Could have been denied. No one else made a request. Buddhist don't have a holy day?

Who would have been brave enough to deny a minority their "rights", LOL.

Pity no Christian made the same request.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed.

I remember a few posters making comments to the effect that Trump was gone and forgotten on 21 January, but seems that despite not having social media anymore, the Democrats are giving him all the airtime he could wish for. Biden must be "annoyed" that while this is on his agenda has come to a halt, and all the media attention is now on Trump. I hope they do allow witnesses to be called and it goes on for weeks and weeks.

I watched some of the trial, but they were just saying the same thing over and over, and showing the same VDOs that we've seen ever since 6 December, so I got too bored to continue watching.

I wonder what odds the bookies are giving for a conviction- I'm guessing that unless the Democrats can provide some actual evidence of Trump saying to someone else that he wanted the violence or to see Pence killed the result will be the same as at the first trial.

Most politically aware people would, IMO, understand that saying "fight" in a political context is on the same level as sports people "fighting" and  "battling" on a playing field. I'm pretty sure politicians of all parties use such language during campaigns.

I found an example of the New York Times using "fighting" language, or is it different for them because they are not Trump?

 

The Democrats Are United to Fight Trump, but Policy Fights Are Looming

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/us/politics/democrats-policy-fights.html

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

???????????????

Sooooo, can't work when a Jew wants to observe the Jewish holy day, but it's OK to work on the Christian holy day? Something is wrong here IMO. If it's necessary to pause for one religion, it should be necessary to stop for all 3. So, no work on Friday, Saturday or Sunday seems fair to me. Just as well Buddhists and Hindus don't have a holy day ( far as I know ) then.

As a side comment Scheon is an Observant Orthodox Jew. I read an article today mentioning how he touched the top of his head every time he drank some water during presentation, apparently it's a ritual Orthodox Jews practice. BTW - Unaware of Buddhist Holy Days??? How long did you live in Thailand?