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On 2/18/2021 at 2:41 PM, tonysilly said:

Don't blame the teachers.  Blame the schools!!! 100%  school don't follow the law they have to be punish!! 

No one blaming teachers!

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1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

Do not most teachers have a degree? 

Personally I don't think a degree has any bearing on whether anyone can be a decent TEFL teacher.  Thailand thinks differently, and requires a degree (in any subject) for a work permit.  Many countries prefer a proper TEFL qualification like a CELTA or Trinity TESOL and experience. 

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3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Personally I don't think a degree has any bearing on whether anyone can be a decent TEFL teacher.  Thailand thinks differently, and requires a degree (in any subject) for a work permit.  Many countries prefer a proper TEFL qualification like a CELTA or Trinity TESOL and experience. 

 

Be that as it may, do most teachers not ha e a degree?

 

I would think that given how easy it is to get a degree, one would get that first and then get whatever additional qualifications they might need to enhance their earning power. 

Posted
On 2/18/2021 at 8:38 AM, realfunster said:

Quick ! Divert the submarine & vaccine money to tackle this national crisis !

I thought this was what they were using the submarines for? To fire torpedoes at illegal teachers ????

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On 2/18/2021 at 8:57 AM, darksidedog said:

It is interesting that as the crackdown on foreign teachers took hold a few years back how Thailands standings in English ability began to steadily fall. There is an ignorance at the top of the ladder, an ignorance that is having a far more negative impact on its young people than any amount of teachers without a work permit ever could.

You seem to be missing the point. Educating the peasants is clearly becoming a threat to the current political institution.

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On 2/18/2021 at 9:59 AM, ikke1959 said:

Of course Foreigners are a threat in Thailand. Get rid of them as soon as possible. Thai people can teach them without speaking or understanding a word.. Don't believe it?? try to talk with a Thai English teacher and you know

Yes I have heard a few (degree holding) Thai English teachers speaking English before. It's hilarious! ???? The #1 thing this country seems to be proficient in is making a complete fool of itself.

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On 2/18/2021 at 3:29 PM, fvw53 said:

 

Yes indeed .....but teaching requires also skills and it is not enough to have English as mother tongue to qualify as a teacher

I'm not so sure about that... I don't have a teaching degree, but I did a lot of user training as part of my 40+ year career in IT. My Thai girlfriend is learning to speak conversational English from me, and she's darn good at it ????

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31 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

From what I read in the news, they need to be checking their own citizens for pedophilia backgrounds.

Here! Here!

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On 2/19/2021 at 2:36 PM, arick said:

Math for sure 

Part of the problem here is that the curriculum does not reflect what is found in external exams. So to pass the external exams one must go to various tutorial schools to even have a shot at getting into medicine, dentistry, etc. The PAT 1 math exam is ridiculously difficult - een those getting 40% can get into medicine (applies to one of my students). Students rarely pass that exam. 

 

Education is a big business here, but I guess that's true in other countries as well - the Austraina tertiary sector is supported by international students, for example. 

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On 2/19/2021 at 5:16 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Personally I don't think a degree has any bearing on whether anyone can be a decent TEFL teacher.  Thailand thinks differently, and requires a degree (in any subject) for a work permit.  Many countries prefer a proper TEFL qualification like a CELTA or Trinity TESOL and experience. 

You can be a decent tefl teacher wihtout qualification, but their heart and mind needs to be in the right place. If they teach to "pass the time" and/or not take their job seriously, they will not succeed. They also need to be flexible and able to change to meet changing circumstances. 

 

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56 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

I'm not so sure about that... I don't have a teaching degree, but I did a lot of user training as part of my 40+ year career in IT. My Thai girlfriend is learning to speak conversational English from me, and she's darn good at it ????

Teaching conversation one-on-one is different from a  classroom setting with teenagers. So class management skills are required, and not just content knowledge. You can have great knowledge of content and no idea how to present it. That's a distaster for students who need to pass external exams after high school. 

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22 hours ago, DavisH said:

Teaching conversation one-on-one is different from a  classroom setting with teenagers. So class management skills are required, and not just content knowledge. You can have great knowledge of content and no idea how to present it. That's a distaster for students who need to pass external exams after high school. 

And what makes you think I don't have that skill set? Obviously you failed to comprehend the fact that user training in IT is done in a classroom setting.

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On 2/21/2021 at 8:40 AM, DavisH said:

You can be a decent tefl teacher wihtout qualification, but their heart and mind needs to be in the right place. If they teach to "pass the time" and/or not take their job seriously, they will not succeed. They also need to be flexible and able to change to meet changing circumstances. 

 

Most Countries are not looking for a EAL teacher ! If you look at adverts  they are all  looking for High School Science teachers or Math etc... Sorry a TEFL is not a teacher Qual...it is just a cert.. That can been taken online in an hour for $20. Or forged for free.  No degree is laughable... Go teach a dog to swim.... 

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On 2/21/2021 at 7:44 AM, BobinBKK said:

I'm not so sure about that... I don't have a teaching degree, but I did a lot of user training as part of my 40+ year career in IT. My Thai girlfriend is learning to speak conversational English from me, and she's darn good at it ????

No no no.

Your girlfriend must be able to pass a written test on english grammar and spelling. Actually being able to have a conversation isn't all that important.  ????????

When my wife was working she had to interview candidates for office positions where they would have to work with expat engineers. So many of them turned up with wonderful certificates issued on 'tick the box' tests and absolutely no ability to actually have a conversation in english. 

Learning conversation english first and then grammar later is the only way to go. 

 

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16 hours ago, arick said:

Most Countries are not looking for a EAL teacher ! If you look at adverts  they are all  looking for High School Science teachers or Math etc... Sorry a TEFL is not a teacher Qual...it is just a cert.. That can been taken online in an hour for $20. Or forged for free.  No degree is laughable... Go teach a dog to swim.... 

Countries all over the world require TEFL teachers - it's a huge specialist market. See below.

 

If someone wants to hire a math or science teacher, they don't want a TEFL teacher!  TEFL is about teaching English not math or any other subject.

 

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On 2/18/2021 at 10:20 AM, FritsSikkink said:

If they don't have a work permit, there is no control who is teaching, could be a pedophile. So I think it is very important that they do check.

Yes, because paedophiles always declare it in their applications,  don't they ?

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1 hour ago, overherebc said:

No no no.

Your girlfriend must be able to pass a written test on english grammar and spelling. Actually being able to have a conversation isn't all that important.  ????????

When my wife was working she had to interview candidates for office positions where they would have to work with expat engineers. So many of them turned up with wonderful certificates issued on 'tick the box' tests and absolutely no ability to actually have a conversation in english. 

Learning conversation english first and then grammar later is the only way to go. 

 

This is how I am teaching her. Conversational English, sentence structure, grammar and spelling. Not everyone needs to have a teaching degree to be able to do this as it's not rocket science.

Posted
On 2/18/2021 at 8:46 AM, Rookiescot said:

If they are working without permits then there is obviously a demand for their services.

Why not give them permits?

Surely improving English standards would be beneficial for Thailand and its economy.

they can apply for permits 

then they will be given 

 

they are looking  for people  trying  to use loop holes

 

for people that have the permits and pay the right  tax  must be very <deleted> off if the person next to them is working  on tourist  visa

 

doing  sane job for more profit

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On 2/18/2021 at 2:12 PM, ray666 said:

The English taught by Philippine teachers is very very bad.

 

Nonsense, they speak better English than a Scotsman.  If they are good teachers their accent are maybe not perfect but their teaching skills are. 

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8 minutes ago, 2009 said:

 

Sounds like you need an English teacher.


Why ? I am Norwegian sorry about one or two spelling mistakes. 

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On 2/22/2021 at 7:18 AM, BobinBKK said:

And what makes you think I don't have that skill set? Obviously you failed to comprehend the fact that user training in IT is done in a classroom setting.

So have you actually taught Thai kids in a classroom setting?

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On 2/23/2021 at 9:52 AM, BobinBKK said:

This is how I am teaching her. Conversational English, sentence structure, grammar and spelling. Not everyone needs to have a teaching degree to be able to do this as it's not rocket science.

Teaching in a classroom setting is much different that teaching one-on-one. But the content knowledge should be the same. 

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On 2/22/2021 at 4:36 PM, arick said:

Most Countries are not looking for a EAL teacher ! If you look at adverts  they are all  looking for High School Science teachers or Math etc... Sorry a TEFL is not a teacher Qual...it is just a cert.. That can been taken online in an hour for $20. Or forged for free.  No degree is laughable... Go teach a dog to swim.... 

LOL Most countries ARE looking for English language teachers. Never heard of ajarn.com? Most of those positions are for English teachers. I teach maths. Tefl isn't required, but I do have a BSc, Grad Dip Dd (in maths education), and a PhD. I don't teach dogs to swim. 

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On 2/23/2021 at 1:35 PM, balo said:

 

Nonsense, they speak better English than a Scotsman.  If they are good teachers their accent are maybe not perfect but their teaching skills are. 

Out last two recruited farang teachers - one was a female alcoholic, who was teaching out M6 how to order a coffee. Another was paranoid (would not let his face be taken is school photos), and spelt worse than M3. The school has snice given up and got Philipino teachers, and they are working out quite well. 95% of the staff are now non-native speakers. 

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20 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Out last two recruited farang teachers - one was a female alcoholic, who was teaching out M6 how to order a coffee. Another was paranoid (would not let his face be taken is school photos), and spelt worse than M3. The school has snice given up and got Philipino teachers, and they are working out quite well. 95% of the staff are now non-native speakers. 

Sounds like your school could do with a decent HR department!

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40 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Out last two recruited farang teachers - one was a female alcoholic, who was teaching out M6 how to order a coffee. Another was paranoid (would not let his face be taken is school photos), and spelt worse than M3. The school has snice given up and got Philipino teachers, and they are working out quite well. 95% of the staff are now non-native speakers. 

You should have helped the falangs out with advice or friendship. You know rather than, deciding to go with Filipinos...nice one..not.

 

Personally, and I say this with respect, Filipinos are not nice to work with, especially if you make more money then them. Not to mention their real clicky/groupie work culture and tendency to be petty. Only being objective. ???? Oh, their English makes me cringe when that accent comes out..

 

Cheers!

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