Russia's Putin likely directed 2020 election meddling, U.S. finds

[connda]

It just makes such great press.

[Phoenix Rising]

21 minutes ago, connda said:

It just makes such great press.

It just makes such great sense.

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8 hours ago, MasterBaker said:

haven't heard or seen any evidence produced of such claims... ever

How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business

Trump’s former longtime architect, Alan Lapidus, echoed this view in an interview with FP this month. Lapidus said that based on what he knew from the internal workings of the organization, in the aftermath of Trump’s earlier financial troubles “he could not get anybody in the United States to lend him anything. It was all coming out of Russia. 

How Russian Money Helped Save Trump’s Business – Foreign Policy

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It seems Trump and Biden differ slightly in their opinions of Putin:

Biden Says Vladimir Putin Is a ‘Killer’ Who Is Devoid of a Human Soul

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-says-vladimir-putin-is-a-killer-who-is-devoid-of-a-human-soul

[simple1]

23 hours ago, scorecard said:

Putin helped the clown, but biden won.

Obvious that Biden should have won by a much bigger margin.

Shows that the US very tired of trump and wanting to dump him.

The report confirms the infrastructure and processes for voting were secure, contradicting trump and Cos 'big lie'. On the other side of the coin the report confirms Russian and Iranian efforts of misinformation, assisted by some of trump's senior people e.g. Giuliani.

[Tug]

On 3/16/2021 at 4:27 PM, EVENKEEL said:

But wasn't it reported this was the most secure election in history? 

Oh it certainly was 100% without a doubt that’s exactly why you are hearing about the attempted interference and on who’s behalf as well as by whom 

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Endless, baseless speculation. 

You probably fell for Trump's lie that he had nothing to do with Russia when he was on the campaign trail.  Only to find out he had a multi-million deal to build a tower in Moscow, with one apartment being GIVEN to Putin.

Hmmm....JT's post is hardly endless, baseless speculation. 

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

I am absolutely assured that they contacted Putin by phone and he admitted that he had.

How can they take themselves seriously putting out this <deleted>.

Did you read the article?  Doesn't seem to be the case.  Are you aware of what happened in Ukraine?  The lies, amplified by Russia?  Doesn't seem to be the case.

From the OP:

The report named Derkach, who met with Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani in 2019, as someone whose movements were being tracked, if not directed, by Putin.

"Putin had purview over the activities of Andriy Derkach," the report said. "Other senior officials also participated in Russia's election influence efforts - including senior national security and intelligence officials who we assess would not act without receiving at least Putin's tacit approval."

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You probably fell for Trump's lie that he had nothing to do with Russia when he was on the campaign trail.  Only to find out he had a multi-million deal to build a tower in Moscow, with one apartment being GIVEN to Putin.

Hmmm....JT's post is hardly endless, baseless speculation. 

Again speculation is what it is. I could care less about Mr Trump, if he did bad arrest him, put him in prison. Report back when that happens.

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

No, but you are entitled to believe that. 

Yes, it's already been proven.  Sad some don't understand that.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Again speculation is what it is. I could care less about Mr Trump, if he did bad arrest him, put him in prison. Report back when that happens.

Speculation?  The contract was made public!  You really need a better source for your news.  Seriously.

It's not just about arresting him or putting him in jail.  It's trying to make sure somebody like him doesn't get into power without better checks and balances.  And trying to educate his supporters about the damage he did.  Sadly, this last part will be close to impossible.

[Tug]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Again speculation is what it is. I could care less about Mr Trump, if he did bad arrest him, put him in prison. Report back when that happens.

Then why do you defend this trustfund baby so vigorously?we all know the doj is very reluctant to charge a sitting president but hey don’t worry that will be happening soon cause he’s just another criminal now!

[GreasyFingers]

27 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The report named Derkach, who met with Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani in 2019, as someone whose movements were being tracked, if not directed, by Putin.

"Putin had purview over the activities of Andriy Derkach," the report said. "Other senior officials also participated in Russia's election influence efforts - including senior national security and intelligence officials who we assess would not act without receiving at least Putin's tacit approval."

Just speculation on who did what. Just because it is a report does not mean that it is fact.

[Jeffr2]

23 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Just speculation on who did what. Just because it is a report does not mean that it is fact.

Speculation?  Jeez...Mueller proved what was going on.  Why so skeptical?  Russia has been meddling around in other countries politics for a very long time.  Do some research.  A starter would be the country of Georgia.

[ExpatOK]

31 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Speculation?  Jeez...Mueller proved what was going on.  Why so skeptical?  Russia has been meddling around in other countries politics for a very long time.  Do some research.  A starter would be the country of Georgia.

Yes he did.  He said Russia interfered but that interference did not change the results, and no American knowingly participated in the interference.  Read the report.

[ExpatOK]

1 hour ago, GreasyFingers said:

Just speculation on who did what. Just because it is a report does not mean that it is fact.

 

Exactly.  It's just an attempt to discredit President Trump as they are afraid he will run again.  

Edited March 18, 2021 by ExpatOK

[Credo]

8 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

 

Exactly.  It's just an attempt to discredit President Trump as they are afraid he will run again.  

Paul Manafort certainly participated.

 

[Jeffr2]

46 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Yes he did.  He said Russia interfered but that interference did not change the results, and no American knowingly participated in the interference.  Read the report.

He did not say that.  Get your facts straight.  I've read the report, seems you haven't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/19/actually-mueller-report-showed-that-russia-did-affect-vote/

It may be — and appears to be — true that Russia didn’t manipulate actual voting results, changing a county’s pro-Clinton votes into pro-Trump ones. Perhaps the Oct. 7 warning played a role in that success. But Russia’s efforts absolutely affected the vote, as they were intended to — and as Trump and his campaign hoped they would.

[Jeffr2]

49 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

 

Exactly.  It's just an attempt to discredit President Trump as they are afraid he will run again.  

Agreed.  Most of America is afraid he'll run again.  And destroy more of our country. Makes sense.

[Jeffr2]

40 minutes ago, Credo said:

Paul Manafort certainly participated.

 

From that WP article:

It may well have not been enough to change the results of the election, but it’s simply indefensible to say that Russia didn’t affect any votes. If WikiLeaks affected the vote and if, as Mueller’s evidence shows, it got that material from Russia, then Russia affected the vote.

[Mavideol]

the guy should have been jailed long time ago, he's still a KGB that doesn't recognize international law and/or principles, same as China, both don't respect ICC (International Criminal Court) nor their respect UN Security Council, always wonder why Russia and China are members with veto rights as neither respects human rights and/or democracy, let's see the size of Biden's  balls

[Mavideol]

23 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Yeah? Do we have to put up with this nonsense every 4 years?

At least Putin, unlike the US, seems to want a peaceful regime change that doesn't involve bombing and invasions, none of which have had any successful outcome.

a peaceful regime change that doesn't involve bombings/invasions... sure and the pope is catholic, say that to the opposition currently in jail or to the families of the ones he assassinated/blow up/poisoned .... sure it must have been peacefull

[robblok]

On 3/17/2021 at 6:27 AM, EVENKEEL said:

But wasn't it reported this was the most secure election in history? 

That was bout the voting itself not Russia helping your hero to gain more votes and he still lost ????

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Yes he did.  He said Russia interfered but that interference did not change the results, and no American knowingly participated in the interference.  Read the report.

and you and some millions of Trump clan believed it  555

[mtls2005]

On 3/17/2021 at 1:53 PM, MasterBaker said:

haven't heard or seen any evidence produced of such claims... ever

 

Would any evidence really sway you? Be honest.

 

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

[heybruce]

On 3/17/2021 at 3:00 AM, Pedrogaz said:

Yeah? Do we have to put up with this nonsense every 4 years?

At least Putin, unlike the US, seems to want a peaceful regime change that doesn't involve bombing and invasions, none of which have had any successful outcome.

Are you describing attempts to undermine US elections as "peaceful regime change"?

[heybruce]

On 3/17/2021 at 5:27 AM, mistral53 said:

It never ceases to amaze me how much power little Russia wields over the full spectrum dominant USA. Am I really the only one who is getting tired over the endless  theatrical distractions the US three letter agencies use to keep their flock in line?

Just imagine for a second what would happen to the MIC's Trillion dollar budget if Mr. Putin boogeyman no longer imminently wants to invade every free country in the world, no less with a defense budget 20 times (!) smaller then the US..................!! Thank you Mr. Putin, lets print another couple of Trillions in funny money for all the pork of the corrupt crony beltway crowd - oohhh sorry, right, some bread crumbs for the hoi polloi was in there too.

Is your argument that the US should ignore attempts by Russia to undermine US elections?

[Kwasaki]

On 3/17/2021 at 8:25 PM, connda said:

It just makes such great press.

Yeah UK is having a go at Russia now, USA ah lickers at it again.

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On 3/18/2021 at 8:46 AM, ExpatOK said:

 

Exactly.  It's just an attempt to discredit President Trump as they are afraid he will run again.  

Was is that the part of the Preamble that said we're just doing this report to incriminate President Trump?