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18 minutes ago, pablo el sueco said:

What action does Thailand Immigration take if one's bank account never drops below 800,000 thb, yet the subject fails to return for the presentation of the bank book at the required interval after extension?

 

From my experience, one is not given a receipt nor a stamp in the passport to certify compliance with the required visit.  What potential action can one expect if one DOES present the bank book on the required date but the Immigration Office later claims it never happened?

Good question.

 

I'm assuming that those offices requesting a return after 3/6 months reset your 90 day report from the date of approved extension application, therefore the visit to provide proof of funds also coincides with the 90 day report visit.

In that case without proof of the necessary funds they probably wouldn't action your next 90 day report date until such time you complied, which could result in a 2,000 baht fine for late reporting.

 

If they don't reset your 90 day report date, no receipt nor stamp issued, then it would be your word against theirs.

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10 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

I'm assuming that those offices requesting a return after 3/6 months reset your 90 day report from the date of approved extension application,

PathumThani does not reset the 90 day report based on extension date.  My 90 day report and my bankbook presentation dates are in different months.

 

12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

If they don't reset your 90 day report date, no receipt nor stamp issued, then it would be your word against theirs

Should it be my word against theirs, they, of course, would prevail.  I still wish to know, if my bank book balance remains above 800,000 thb, what official action does Thailand Immigration threaten to take if I cannot prove they saw my bank book on the required date.  And similarly, what action is taken if I simply do not show up with my book.  If they require me to present my bank book on a certain date, I simply wish to know what punishment Immigration threatens me with if for some reason they believe I did not comply -- yet my bank account never dips below the required balance.

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1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

As far as I'm aware, there is nothing official in writing as to penalties for not providing proof of funds on the date(s) requested. If they give no receipt or stamp, one would assume they keep some kind of record of compliance on their PC.

Failure to comply would probably in the first instance be met with a refusal to process any further submissions until complied with. In other words probably refuse your next 90 day report by mail or online, forcing you to go in person - with the required proof of funds requested.

Interesting. Actually I very much doubt that failure to show up for a show balance report would impact 90 day reporting at all. They aren't related actions.

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Rather arrogant advice, considering many Thai families live on 10,000 baht a month.

 

Thais don't need visas and extensions of stay to stay in Thailand. ???? 

 

33 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Those doing it themselves, certainly have the money

 

Well if they do they're a bit silly or don't value their time. Why on Earth waste a day or two, jumping through all the hoops, wasting their family's time, in many cases (like the OP) getting stressed etc etc. People with money simply get an agent to take care of anything while they do nothing but relax. ???? 

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Posted (edited)
35 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Interesting. Actually I very much doubt that failure to show up for a show balance report would impact 90 day reporting at all. They aren't related actions.

A TM30 and an extension application aren't related, but if someone hasn't filed a TM30 previously, an extension or 90 day report can be refused until you comply with the previous requirement.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, pablo el sueco said:

The PathumThani Office requires a return with bank book at 3 months AND at 6 months after extension.

 

What action does Thailand Immigration take if one's bank account never drops below 800,000 thb, yet the subject fails to return for the presentation of the bank book at the required interval after extension?

 

From my experience, one is not given a receipt nor a stamp in the passport to certify compliance with the required visit.  What potential action can one expect if one DOES present the bank book on the required date but the Immigration Office later claims it never happened?

3 months check (already 2 years in Jomtien I.O. , no wait just show invitation & doc. 1 minute job).... and 6 month's check ..... so

expect one day it will become also a 9 months check ... so whole year 90 day money check.

They like new rules inventing , so be prepared....  ????

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Posted
1 hour ago, Peter Denis said:

Yes, zero consequences when following the advice that drJack posted, i.e. NOT applying for your next extension (which would be denied anyway) and either

- do a border-run and on return apply for a NEW 90-day Non Imm O Visa; OR

- engage a Fixer Agent to circumvent the financial requirement.

 

Indeed, but it cannot be emphasized enough that you should NOT apply for your next extension when you know that you did not fully meet the financial requirements (even if it was only a tiny momentary lapse of a couple 100 THB for 1 day). 

Doing so, you would be at the mercy of the Imm Officer and it can have grave consequences (even resulting in being deported from Thailand with a 1-year ban).

 

Doing so, you would be at the mercy of the Imm Officer and it can have grave consequences (even resulting in being deported from Thailand with a 1-year ban).

 

just depending how he see it or how he felt that day.....???? 

also technically on overstay for x.. number day starting from infraction date .

 

(so technically  someone not extending and leaving Thailand could not take his  money legally with him ....!!!??? ???? )

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1 hour ago, pablo el sueco said:

PathumThani does not reset the 90 day report based on extension date.  My 90 day report and my bankbook presentation dates are in different months.

 

Should it be my word against theirs, they, of course, would prevail.  I still wish to know, if my bank book balance remains above 800,000 thb, what official action does Thailand Immigration threaten to take if I cannot prove they saw my bank book on the required date.  And similarly, what action is taken if I simply do not show up with my book.  If they require me to present my bank book on a certain date, I simply wish to know what punishment Immigration threatens me with if for some reason they believe I did not comply -- yet my bank account never dips below the required balance.

i may remind you  , that you can take after those 3 months checking ...,you can use max. 400 000 until 2 month's before new application need to fill up to 800 000 baht on bank

 

 so 3month's  after ext. +2 (prior to new  ext,)  months need 800K

& 7 months only need to be 400K on bank , so not the whole year800K need to be on bank .... but is  safest way to not to trick yourself by accident of a 1 day example

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4 minutes ago, david555 said:

Doing so, you would be at the mercy of the Imm Officer and it can have grave consequences (even resulting in being deported from Thailand with a 1-year ban).

 

1 - just depending how he see it or how he felt that day.....???? 

also technically on overstay for x.. number day starting from infraction date .

 

2 - (so technically  someone not extending and leaving Thailand could not take his  money legally with him ....!!!??? ???? )

1 - Exactly.  There are even cases of retirees that KNEW (or suspected) that they hadn't met the conditions under which their 1-year extension of stay was provided, but decided to talk with their local Imm Officer to sort it out, when applying for a prolongation of that 1-year extension.  Big Mistake!  Of course their application was refused (logical - they didn't meet the requirements).  The lucky ones, were then 'released' in order to sort it out, meaning a border-run or Fixer Agent engagement.  But there have also been unlucky ones that encountered an a$$hole Officer even leading to a 20.000 THB fine and deportation with 1-year ban (and this for a small unintentional mistake/misunderstanding of the rules).

 

2 - When exiting Thailand of course you do not need to continue meeting the financial requirements after having left, but indeed technically the funds should remain on your personal Thai bank-account until the moment you actually leave Thailand.  I guess that liquidating your account on the day you exit Thailand would be tolerated, as it would otherwise be very difficult to get hold of those funds having left Thailand.

 

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37 minutes ago, david555 said:

3 months check (already 2 years in Jomtien I.O. , no wait just show invitation & doc. 1 minute job).... and 6 month's check ..... so

expect one day it will become also a 9 months check ... so whole year 90 day money check.

They like new rules inventing , so be prepared.... 

 

I am curious, david555, does Jomtien give you a receipt or a stamp in your passport  when you verify your bank balance after 3 months?

 

The Immigration Officer's goal is to ensure that I continuously abide by the rules.  She does that in retrospect each time I apply for an extension of stay and supply a twelve-month bank statement for the previous year.  If she must do it more frequently throughout the year, I suppose DAILY checks are not beyond the scope of imagination.

16 minutes ago, david555 said:

so not the whole year800K need to be on bank .... but is  safest way to not to trick yourself by accident of a 1 day example

Thank you, david555.  I just keep the 800k on account throughout the year so I don't trick myself by losing track of minimums and time frames????

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Just now, Peter Denis said:

1 - Exactly.  There are even cases of retirees that KNEW (or suspected) that they hadn't met the conditions under which their 1-year extension of stay was provided, but decided to talk with their local Imm Officer to sort it out, when applying for a prolongation of that 1-year extension.  Big Mistake!  Of course their application was refused (logical - they didn't meet the requirements).  The lucky ones, were then 'released' in order to sort it out, meaning a border-run or Fixer Agent engagement.  But there have also been unlucky ones that encountered an a$$hole Officer even leading to a 20.000 THB fine and deportation with 1-year ban (and this for a small unintentional mistake/misunderstanding of the rules).

 

2 - When exiting Thailand of course you do not need to continue meeting the financial requirements after having left, but indeed technically the funds should remain on your personal Thai bank-account until the moment you actually leave Thailand.  I guess that liquidating your account on the day you exit Thailand would be tolerated, as it would otherwise be very difficult to get hold of those funds having left Thailand.

 

Going deeper on this , 

safest and easiest way would be (if possible as before ) fly or drive Cambo leaving whiteout re entry , so ending the ret. ext .

Fly in or drive back Thailand (border run)  getting a 15 or 30 day entry  stamp , so not being under any money rule anymore , except arrival money needed , and free to transfer money out that time....

 

But very difficult because c19 now !

 

Remember also that until 2 months + a few days from final ext. date on passport, you would be legal to have only 400K on bank 

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11 minutes ago, pablo el sueco said:

 

I am curious, david555, does Jomtien give you a receipt or a stamp in your passport  when you verify your bank balance after 3 months?

 

The Immigration Officer's goal is to ensure that I continuously abide by the rules.  She does that in retrospect each time I apply for an extension of stay and supply a twelve-month bank statement for the previous year.  If she must do it more frequently throughout the year, I suppose DAILY checks are not beyond the scope of imagination.

Thank you, david555.  I just keep the 800k on account throughout the year so I don't trick myself by losing track of minimums and time frames????

When you do the 3 month's check ,you have also your bankbook as proof (do not loose it ????) and i always take a bank letter  , that 100 baht is worth it ...., that also you can copy both (bankbook & bankletter )

 

But to my experience Jomtien I.O. would not contest a genuine Thai bank letter , never had any problem with them, and never used an agent , but with proper documents as asked  , but "jumped thru their hoops" ....and they would be surprised how high i can jump ....????

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29 minutes ago, david555 said:

When you do the 3 month's check ,you have also your bankbook as proof (do not loose it ????) and i always take a bank letter  , that 100 baht is worth it ...., that also you can copy both (bankbook & bankletter )

 

But to my experience Jomtien I.O. would not contest a genuine Thai bank letter , never had any problem with them, and never used an agent , but with proper documents as asked  , but "jumped thru their hoops" ....and they would be surprised how high i can jump ....????

There is absolutely no need for a bank letter for that report at Jomtien. Speaking from repeated personal experience. That is totally uncalled for overkill.

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Posted
4 hours ago, erymax said:

Well, last year I too had to go back to IO in Sri Racha 3 months after my extension and show  bankbook with no less than 800K the past 3 months.  

Siricha is part of the Jomtien Pattaya Chonburi Immigration. So not surprising that they applied same rule as Pattaya Jomtien 

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16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is absolutely no need for a bank letter for that report at Jomtien. Speaking from repeated personal experience. That is totally uncalled for overkill.

I never said that it was needed ????!! ....... but o so safe for only 100 baht and copy it for own hold , ...... in case someone fear Faull play from I.O. & to have a proof from money check ...

 

Besides some " overkill " works fine ....???? Speaking from "also repeated personal experience "...????

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9 minutes ago, david555 said:

I never said that it was needed ????!! ....... but o so safe for only 100 baht and copy it for own hold , ...... in case someone fear Faull play from I.O. & to have a proof from money check ...

 

Besides some " overkill " works fine ....???? 

I suggest that people don't bother with it.

Update your bank book same day with a transaction and copy it.

I still don't understand why you would be promoting something so completely superfluous. BTW, my bank charges 200 baht but I wouldn't bother with something so totally unnecessary if they paid me 200 baht.

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2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I suggest that people don't bother with it.

Update your bank book same day with a transaction and copy it.

I still don't understand why you would be promoting something so completely superfluous. BTW, my bank charges 200 baht but I wouldn't bother with something so totally unnecessary if they paid me 200 baht.

And i do not understand why you make a point out of this.... just a possibility i gave to some one who was asking how to proof ....

 

 always forever just being "Jinghting " i guess ????

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Posted
2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

it appears from your previously posted topics you made a number of visits to your IO in an attempt to get a 1 year extension

 

Nope, never wasted time doing that. ????

 

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

you then obtained Covid extensions.

 

Sure did. We were hoping to move back, after maybe 2 Covid extensions it was pretty clear we'd be in Thailand for the next year. ???? 

 

Go back to deal with immigration, or pay a small bit of money for someone else to do the leg work. No brainer. By all means though, if 20 something thousand is a serious amount of money to you, go running about and wasting a day or two of your (and possibly your family's) time lol. ????

Posted
11 minutes ago, david555 said:

And i do not understand why you make a point out of this.... just a possibility i gave to some one who was asking how to proof ....

 

 always forever just being "Jinghting " i guess ????

Because many people will read that and waste their time and money doing something 100 percent unnecessary.

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Just now, Jingthing said:

Because many people will read that and waste their time and money doing something 100 percent unnecessary.

You make it look hat , as i never said it was mandatory ...,

and people have their own mind to decide what they do , as said before bankbook  is  best proof already , date and sum on it .

 

But i like some overkill anyway .... special with authority's ????

 

Now ....,you can best advice what people should do , as that is the only good way  as we all should know and follow , maybe you could make a poll out it  ? ????

 

 

 

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Just now, david555 said:

You make it look hat , as i never said it was mandatory ...,

and people have their own mind to decide what they do , as said before bankbook  is  best proof already , date and sum on it .

 

But i like some overkill anyway .... special with authority's ????

 

Now ....,you can best advice what people should do , as that is the only good way  as we all should know and follow , maybe you could make a poll out it  ? ????

 

 

 

You got the last word. I already said what I felt needed saying on this matter. Cheers. 

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In the last week I read a post from a BM who had his extension refused as he had dropped below 400k during the year. It was suggested by the IO that he get a COVID 60 day extension for 1900 baht. I presume he can keep these going until the govt withdraws the concession, then he has to start again? 

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Posted
1 hour ago, fishtank said:

Why waste all that money when you can give up an hour or two and do it yourself.

Plus you know it will be legal.

Hour or two would hardly cover one way trip for some. Myself included. 

Jomtien and all the crackpot imm offices made up this return "rule".

Mind you in total total is very few offices. Perhaps 5or6 out of 75+ imm offices. 

Ridiculous. 

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58 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Hour or two would hardly cover one way trip for some. Myself included. 

Jomtien and all the crackpot imm offices made up this return "rule".

Mind you in total total is very few offices. Perhaps 5or6 out of 75+ imm offices. 

Ridiculous. 

It is like you say , for some a real pain in the a... , and for others like me a walk to the park beach side , most of the jomtien clients live not so far .

 

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