Thailand’s third COVID-19 wave has already peaked: CCSA

[edwardandtubs]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

a true denier of facts and stats.  I guess the reports on the news and in the papers is all fake.

Can you not argue like an adult instead of throwing insults? All I can see is a difference of interpretation. Nobody is denying or faking. Chill.

[mrfill]

If the peak was on 24th April and it has been declining since then, why is the infection total for the last 7 days 45% HIGHER than the preceding 7 days per Worldometers weekly trends?

 

Perhaps it has declined upwards

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by mrfill

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Then why are the numbers in the hospitals for Covid rising and beds scarece for those needing treatment, and field hospitals and Hopitels filling up with folks.  General wards are for treatment of other than Covid .  The Covid patients number in the many of thousands as well as hundreds of those those in the ICU and then there are the few hundred of those on respirators, guess it is all smoke and mirrors.  Dream another dream and pinch yourself to wake up to the true reality.

Geez, I just posted the available Covid beds in Bangkok a few minutes ago. This report is from a few days ago:

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Then why are the numbers in the hospitals for Covid rising and beds scarece for those needing treatment, and field hospitals and Hopitels filling up with folks.  General wards are for treatment of other than Covid .  The Covid patients number in the many of thousands as well as hundreds of those those in the ICU and then there are the few hundred of those on respirators, guess it is all smoke and mirrors.  Dream another dream and pinch yourself to wake up to the true reality.

 

How many thousands in a population of 70 million?

You understand that anyone who tests positive is whisked away and becomes a covid patient right?

They might be feeling fine and showing no symptoms but a positive test means you are now a patient.

Now even with that the hospitals are not bursting. 

[GrandPapillon]

52 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

And get no funerals...because funerals are a very visible thing in Thailand...

 

Moving around my area I don't see or hear about any...but maybe they are all dying on the other side of the country...

country side, it's probably not as rampant as in cities, different population density

 

to think that Thais are immune to COVID or were not affected by COVID in great numbers thanks to lockdowns, Quarantine and the great government policies, it is being in denial, in true Thai style ????

Edited April 30, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[GroveHillWanderer]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Another fact I observed on the UK BBC news last August is that at maximum occupancy the ICU beds were at 30%, under normal conditions ICU beds are at 15% - BUT, this figure is averaged across the country and there could be Fulham and Broadway hospital at 90% occupancy while Exeter or Telford ICU occupancy is at 3%. 

See the link I posted earlier. At the peak of the 3rd wave in the UK in January, 15 NHS Trusts were at full capacity and 18 were at 99%.

[edwardandtubs]

2 minutes ago, mrfill said:

If the peak was on 24th April and it has been declining since then, why is the infection total for the last 7 days 45% HIGHER than the preceding 7 days per Worldometers weekly trends?

 

Perhaps it has declined upwards

 

You understand the difference between a daily trend and a weekly trend?

[retsdon]

28 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's 116,000 per one million according to worldometers up from 17,000 just over a month ago. 3rd larger wave due to increased testing.

I stand corrected. The figure I quoted came from a virologist at Chulalanonkorn. Obviously a different time scale. I'll go and edit my original post. Thanks.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Can you not argue like an adult instead of throwing insults? All I can see is a difference of interpretation. Nobody is denying or faking. Chill.

Where is the insult.  If you do not believe the posted facts and stats that show the hospitals are full then your a denier, pure and simple.  One of many articles is attached to that post and I will link it for you as well.  They may not be full in all of Thailand but in Bangkok they sure are.

Covid-19 patients in Bangkok sent to other provinces due to overcrowded hospitals | Thaiger (thethaiger.com)

[PGSan]

29 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

though the later are very likely overstated.

In what sense can a later death be overstated?  

One is either dead or not, surely?  (Sooner or latter, that is.)

[phills2k1]

5 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Can you not argue like an adult instead of throwing insults? All I can see is a difference of interpretation. Nobody is denying or faking. Chill.

 

Meanwhile, three minutes later...

 

2 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

You understand the difference between a daily trend and a weekly trend?

 

[Mike k]

2 hours ago, IamNoone88 said:

The 4th wave is when they open up the borders.

That comes next week after this 4 day weekend 

[PGSan]

2 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

You understand the difference between a daily trend and a weekly trend?

Sorry, no!  A trend is a trend, or not?  Please explain! 

[rabas]

4 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

That just illustrates how nonsensical it is to suggest that loads of people are dying of covid-19 and it's not being recorded. Clearly it's big news when somebody does die of covid-19 in their house and the authorities deal with it very seriously. The numbers thankfully are very low though.

Every death in Thailand is recorded by law. This law is written in the bluebook and is the responsibility of the bluebook (house) owner. Every Thai is in someone's bluebook.

 

Vast numbers of unrecorded deaths is fantasy, just like vast numbers of covid cases that never appear anywhere.  

[edwardandtubs]

1 minute ago, phills2k1 said:

 

Meanwhile, three minutes later...

 

 

Is this a riddle? Where's the insult?

[Rookiescot]

9 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

it's Thailand, they see shame in about everything that is not ordinary

 

So what qualifies dying of covid as not ordinary as opposed to something like malaria?

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

How many thousands in a population of 70 million?

You understand that anyone who tests positive is whisked away and becomes a covid patient right?

They might be feeling fine and showing no symptoms but a positive test means you are now a patient.

Now even with that the hospitals are not bursting. 

Read some news reports, watch the news and then do some research to show you how wrong you are with the hospitals being full here in Bangkok.  They are sending people outside of bangkok to hospitals for treatment, and those who are asymptomatic are in field hospitals and now they are using Hospitels for those with non serious symptoms. But believe what you want.  I know and I see with my own eyes.

 

Covid-19 patients in Bangkok sent to other provinces due to overcrowded hospitals | Thaiger (thethaiger.com)

 

https://www.ttgasia.com/2021/04/22/bangkok-hotels-turned-into-hospitels-amid-virus-spike/

[tribalfusion001]

5 minutes ago, retsdon said:

I stand corrected. The figure I quoted came from a virologist at Chulalanonkorn. Obviously a different time scale. I'll go and edit my original post. Thanks.

No worries, I look at worldometers for countries I'm interested in going to or have been to. I noticed it had gone up a lot.

[Dialemco]

India said same thing now see what has happened there. Only foreseeable way out in vaccine which must be given as first priority. 

[Psychic]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That was a couple of days ago, its now well over 3.5k a day deaths and increasing daily but hey lets not concern ourselves eh, we can always compare it to developed countries with their healthcare advantage

The Indian government can not be trusted.

 

Modi has been cracking down on anyone who challenged the official narrative.

 

A DW report from Delhi said there was at least 3 times as many deaths as announced 

 

It could actually be a LOT worse.

 

"The number of Covid-protocol funerals from graveyards and crematoriums in small towns and cities suggest a death toll up to 30 times higher than the official count."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/apr/28/crime-against-humanity-arundhati-roy-india-covid-catastrophe

[edwardandtubs]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Read some news reports, watch the news and then do some research to show you how wrong you are with the hospitals being full here in Bangkok.  They are sending people outside of bangkok to hospitals for treatment, and those who are asymptomatic are in field hospitals and now they are using Hospitels for those with non serious symptoms. But believe what you want.  I know and I see with my own eyes.

 

Covid-19 patients in Bangkok sent to other provinces due to overcrowded hospitals | Thaiger (thethaiger.com)

 

https://www.ttgasia.com/2021/04/22/bangkok-hotels-turned-into-hospitels-amid-virus-spike/

But everyone is still getting a hospital place. No one is dying in car parks outside hospitals like in India, which is what many posters are implying. A few isolated cases have died at home but the healthcare system in Thailand is not overwhelmed like in Brazil.

[PGSan]

1 hour ago, ourmanflint said:

the main peak is a few weeks away. 

Noted, will contact you again then.

[Danderman123]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Read some news reports, watch the news and then do some research to show you how wrong you are with the hospitals being full here in Bangkok.  They are sending people outside of bangkok to hospitals for treatment, and those who are asymptomatic are in field hospitals and now they are using Hospitels for those with non serious symptoms. But believe what you want.  I know and I see with my own eyes.

 

Covid-19 patients in Bangkok sent to other provinces due to overcrowded hospitals | Thaiger (thethaiger.com)

 

https://www.ttgasia.com/2021/04/22/bangkok-hotels-turned-into-hospitels-amid-virus-spike/

I will try to explain this to you.

 

Hospital managers are not stupid. They can see the trend (up to recently) of increasing new infections, and did the math: at the increasing rate, hospitals WILL be filled  at some point. Since patients don't stay in the hospital for one day, they may stay for 10 days or more, it was prudent to ship some patients elsewhere to free up beds for the coming mass of patients.

 

But, new cases started to decrease, and the beds weren't filled.

 

[polpott]

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your daughter and her husband work in ‘A’ UK hospital....  not UK hospitals, unless they work in lots of different hospitals and have done so throughout the pandemic. 

My son in law has worked at 3 different hospitals during the pandemic and contracted Covid himself, in the workplace. He's a consultant in A&E.

 

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Thus, any information and data needs to be presented ‘wholly’ without anecdote or snippets removed to suit our confirmation bias.

You mean as you did in your first post? 555

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Read some news reports, watch the news and then do some research to show you how wrong you are with the hospitals being full here in Bangkok.  They are sending people outside of bangkok to hospitals for treatment, and those who are asymptomatic are in field hospitals and now they are using Hospitels for those with non serious symptoms. But believe what you want.  I know and I see with my own eyes.

 

Covid-19 patients in Bangkok sent to other provinces due to overcrowded hospitals | Thaiger (thethaiger.com)

 

https://www.ttgasia.com/2021/04/22/bangkok-hotels-turned-into-hospitels-amid-virus-spike/

 

Those are people who tested positive for covid and have been detained (often against their will) as covid patients.

They are, for the most part, not even ill. Thats why they are being detained in places like hotels. Its for isolation purposes.

Cant say I disagree with the policy either but it does not mean the hospitals are overflowing.

[PGSan]

2 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

You understand the difference between a daily trend and a weekly trend?

Sorry, no!  A trend is a trend, or not?  Please explain! 

[PGSan]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Go on hit the report button. You know you want to.

+1

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

But everyone is still getting a hospital place. No one is dying in car parks outside hospitals like in India, which is what many posters are implying. A few isolated cases have died at home but the healthcare system in Thailand is not overwhelmed like in Brazil.

Stop trying to compare here with India and Brazil.  Population density is nowhere close.  If the hospitals treating patients for Covid were not full, in the wards used for treating covid patients, then they would not need to transfer the patients to hospitals outside of Bangkok is all I am saying.  General ward beds are used for the treatment of those who need hospitalization but do not have Covid, and those wards are outside of the Covid treatment units.  You guys are stuck in comparing countries.  Thailand is not in Brazil or India.  Now move along.....

[PGSan]

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

Stop trying to compare here with India and Brazil.  Population density is nowhere close.

This needs some supporting data, methinks!    

Do you mean on average, or in the big cities, or what?  

And Why is this density relevant?   What effects does it have?

[Brunolem]

20 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

to think that Thais are immune to COVID or were not affected by COVID in great numbers thanks to lockdowns, Quarantine and the great government policies, it is being in denial, in true Thai style ????

This is a bold statement backed by...nothing!