Thailand’s third COVID-19 wave has already peaked: CCSA

[PGSan]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Thailand is not in Brazil or India.  Now move along.....

But I like it here!   So not moving.

[Enzian]

I had an appointment yesterday early afternoon at an eye clinic which is a joint government-temple effort. I'd say there were 10 or 15 % of the usual number of patients waiting; the probable reason has to be that Thais just don't want to be around large groups at this time. On the way in we had to answer a large check list of things we had been doing lately. One wrong answer and I think we would not have been admitted; luckily we've been careful.

Also interesting, I reside near Nana BTS. Behind our building is a large hotel complex handling, as far as I can tell, quarantine persons; can see bag meals set out in the lobby every night, to go to the rooms I presume.  On the other side in front across the street is a famous old hotel with something possibly more serious-I've seen persons in full PPE outfits gathering up large green cans of waste similar to what they are wearing and organizing it into really big black plastic bags for disposal. I haven't heard of anyone in our large building being told anything. All does make me want to be careful. 

[bkk6060]

We will see.  I see it increasing.

A number of Bangkok plates coming into Pattaya this afternoon.

I bet Hua Hin will see the same.

Wanting to escape the virus central of Bangkok and enjoy the nice open beach for the weekend.

How many will bring the filthy virus here?

They should have locked down everything no travel.

Plus, this is another long weekend Labour day on Monday.  Gotta make a few more bucks.

Terrible.

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by bkk6060

[PGSan]

44 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Asians in Western countries are actually more likely to catch and die from covid-19.

Which ‘asians’ is that?  big place, don’t yer know! 

[Nanaplaza666]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Good news, but why the move to "deep-red" zones then?

To not have another peak maybe ????

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, Enzian said:

I had an appointment yesterday early afternoon at an eye clinic which is a joint government-temple effort. I'd say there were 10 or 15 % of the usual number of patients waiting; the probable reason has to be that Thais just don't want to be around large groups at this time. On the way in we had to answer a large check list of things we had been doing lately. One wrong answer and I think we would not have been admitted; luckily we've been careful.

Also interesting, I reside near Nana BTS. Behind our building is a large hotel complex handling, as far as I can tell, quarantine persons; can see bag meals set out in the lobby every night, to go to the rooms I presume.  On the other side in front across the street is a famous old hotel with something possibly more serious-I've seen persons in full PPE outfits gathering up large green cans of waste similar to what they are wearing and organizing it into really big black plastic bags for disposal. I haven't heard of anyone in our large building being told anything. All does make me want to be careful. 

 

Being careful is the right thing to do but I would not overly worry.

The staff working in these "isolation hotels" will be wearing PPE. 

They will remove the PPE at the end of their working day and place it in bins.

What you are probably seeing is people who have to empty these bins and are, rightly, wearing PPE to do it. The bags are then sent for incineration.

There may be absolutely no contamination on the PPE but its good to be careful.

[rabas]

36 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

it's Thailand, they see shame in about everything that is not ordinary

You are mixing up your Asian cultures.   Thai feel no shame passing to the next life and they use the dying persons age to win the lottery.

 

A niece passed away and everyone bought the lottery based on 36 her presumed age, but the winning number was 35. Then at the funeral, her uncle started the eulogy by saying "What a shame she died just 2 days before her 36th birthday". You could hear a groan pass through the crowd like a scythe.

 

Edited April 30, 2021 by rabas

[richard_smith237]

36 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Interesting theory but I don't think genetics has anything to do with it.

There is a proven link to a genetic difference between those who suffere sever covid symptoms vs those who don’t - 4 main Halapotypes as the paper suggests - Whether that is the actually cause of difference in numbers is not proven, its just a theory. 

 

36 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

Asians in Western countries are actually more likely to catch and die from covid-19.

 

I’ve never read, nor heard of this theory - are there any studies which back this up? 

If so, it's very interesting, but contradictory to what is observed in East Asia (perhaps for the reasons you provide below). 

 

36 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

And as far as I'm aware Westerners living in Thailand are not more likely to catch or die from it.

 

Again, where is this information from? I’ve not heard or read of such, which doesn’t mean its not true, but I would have expected this information to be more prevalent. 

 

36 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

So it's more likely to be the heat and humidity and perhaps also exposure to Dengue as a result of mosquito bites.

 

Humidity and Dengue link is a possibility, however, while Dengue is more prevalent in South East Asia than the UK, how many people suffer or have suffered from Dengue which would significantly reduce the serious cases of Covid-19 ?

 

Additionally, Dengue is more prevalent in Indian than Thailand, thus that theory may not hold water. The same can be said of Humidity. 

 

 

There is definitely a reason why South East Asia has escaped the level severity of Covid-19 that has been experienced in Europe, and the Americas.

There is enough overlap in climatic conditions (i.e. India and Brazil) to indicate climate is not significant enough alone to reduce the impact of Covid-19.

Greater prevalence of Mask Wearing and contactless greetings has been discussed - I don’t buy that. 

 

I really do suspect a genetic advantage carried by East Asians which makes them less susceptible. I suspect the numbers have already been high in areas of East Asia while serious cases and deaths have not been high. Testing has generally been low so the case severity and case fatality rates in East Asia may not be truly known. 

[Nanaplaza666]

2 hours ago, madmen said:

And why has the opening been pushed back to 2022 

To wait for the vaccine program to roll out . 

[edwardandtubs]

1 minute ago, PGSan said:

Which ‘asians’ is that?  big place, don’t yer know! 

Ok so a good comparison would be Chinese people living in any Western country and people living in Bangkok who genetically are predominantly Chinese. How would the Chinese-Thais be genetically immune but Chinese people in other parts of the world not so?

[richard_smith237]

40 minutes ago, PGSan said:

46 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The point I wish to make with the above comments is that anecdotal information while interesting is not representative of the bigger picture. 

 

A good point, but it was surrounded by your own idle speculations and many anecdotes! 

 

Which served the very purpose of highlighting how contradictory individual anecdotal information can be... 

 

I’m glad you got the point ! ????

[PGSan]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m glad you got the point ! ????

You are most welcome! 

[Burma Bill]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

COVID-19 infections has already peaked and the overall situation is stabilizing,

Oh really and I wonder what this situation, quoted below, might do to "infection figures" in the forthcoming weeks???

 

MAE SARIANG, Thailand (Reuters) -Thousands of ethnic Karen villagers in Myanmar are poised to cross into Thailand if, as expected, fighting intensifies between the Myanmar army and Karen insurgents, joining those who have already escaped the turmoil that followed a Feb. 1 coup. (Friday 30th April 2021)

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/thousands-myanmar-villagers-poised-flee-004732416.html

 

 

[sammieuk1]

Peaked ha ha looks like they have learned nothing except figure fudging ???? 

[cubism001]

4 hours ago, poskat said:

lets see what the virus has to say about it rather than wishful government officials

This morning I counted 13 businesses gone that were functioning yesterday. All were within 2 blocks of my house on one side of the street..  I feel scared for Thais now.

Edited April 30, 2021 by cubism001
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[phuketpalms]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Good news, but why the move to "deep-red" zones then?

I suspect it is because there are more holidays next week, and they want to limit and discourage travel. 

[AlfHuy]

2 hours ago, Dialemco said:

She must really love you. 

Hansum man love you to mut.

[PGSan]

7 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

a good comparison would be Chinese people living in any Western country and people living in Bangkok

Sounds reasonable.  But even the Chinese are hugely diverse and maybe those in a given other country differ markedly from those in Bangkok?

[Soikhaonoiken]

Me thinks someone is making the figures fit..... That numptie Anutin said it would all be under control and the 3rd wave would only last 2 weeks.... So it must be true ????

[Mywayboy]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Good news, but why the move to "deep-red" zones then?

Pants on Fire

[richard_smith237]

40 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

51 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Another fact I observed on the UK BBC news last August is that at maximum occupancy the ICU beds were at 30%, under normal conditions ICU beds are at 15% - BUT, this figure is averaged across the country and there could be Fulham and Broadway hospital at 90% occupancy while Exeter or Telford ICU occupancy is at 3%. 

See the link I posted earlier. At the peak of the 3rd wave in the UK in January, 15 NHS Trusts were at full capacity and 18 were at 99%.

 

 Very first line of the article you posted a link to ....

 

Nearly 10% of English NHS trusts had no spare capacity for critical care patients in the final week of January, as Covid pressures continued to bite.

 

 

So, if your argument is that 10% of ’NHS Trusts’ were at full or close to full capacity, I completely agree with you.

 

However...  your argument is flawed in response to the fact I quoted of ICU beds across the nation being at 30% capacity.

 

Note: The 30% figure is from news before January 2021 and may no longer be accurate. 

 

The point I want to make is that the information we are being provided is often misleading and flawed. The very link you presented is also misleading in that it quotes 10% of NHS Trusts, not 10% of hospitals across the UK.

 

There are 1257 hospitals in the UK... 15 of them had full ICU beds. 

 

Why didn’t the headline quote 1.2% of UK hospitals at full ICU bed capacity for a period in January ???

 

 

I hope this explains how misleading information can be. 

 

 

 

 

 

[rabas]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

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Asians in Western countries are actually more likely to catch and die from covid-19.

I’ve never read, nor heard of this theory - are there any studies which back this up? 

If so, it's very interesting, but contradictory to what is observed in East Asia (perhaps for the reasons you provide below). 

It's been well documented in the US that some minorities are more susceptible to covid and related problems. The reasons may vary.  But its enough to suggest Asians do not have any special immunity.

 

What has been well studied and widely published is that the initial waves in Asia including Thailand were much less infectious strains from China. Google D614 verses G614 strains.

[BostonRob2]

3 hours ago, grandpa said:

I cannot understand how Thailand can control this virus so quickly when most of the rest of the world (who incidentally do a huge amount of testing by comparison) are still struggling to put the lid on it!  And if the figures are correct, why aren't world leaders calling in their droves to discover the secret of success?

 

Jealousy?

[sambum]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

My daughter and her husband work in UK hospitals and would completely disagree with you. 3 people known to me personally, have died from Covid.

By virtue of the fact that both your daughter and her husband work in the medical field, the chances of them (and yourself) knowing people that have been infected and died from Covid must be higher than the average person. Sorry about the 3 people that you knew - it's not just 'flu as some would have you believe.

[edwardandtubs]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Humidity and Dengue link is a possibility, however, while Dengue is more prevalent in South East Asia than the UK, how many people suffer or have suffered from Dengue which would significantly reduce the serious cases of Covid-19 ?

 

Additionally, Dengue is more prevalent in Indian than Thailand, thus that theory may not hold water. The same can be said of Humidity. 

 

 

There is definitely a reason why South East Asia has escaped the level severity of Covid-19 that has been experienced in Europe, and the Americas.

There is enough overlap in climatic conditions (i.e. India and Brazil) to indicate climate is not significant enough alone to reduce the impact of Covid-19.

Greater prevalence of Mask Wearing and contactless greetings has been discussed - I don’t buy that. 

 

I really do suspect a genetic advantage carried by East Asians which makes them less susceptible. I suspect the numbers have already been high in areas of East Asia while serious cases and deaths have not been high. Testing has generally been low so the case severity and case fatality rates in East Asia may not be truly known. 

I don't think you can discount heat, humidity and Dengue just because these are all factors in India. Covid-19 spreads in crowded conditions which are very common in India like in markets, political rallies and religious events. It is also spread in Thailand in crowded conditions like boxing stadiums and nightclubs. If you try to minimise those crowds then the spread of covid-19 is likely to be very limited. The problem for India was that they didn't act soon enough when cases started to rise.

 

As for genetics, a quick Google reveals that Asian Americans are no better or worse off than white Americans when it comes to covid-19 cases. I believe the majority of Asian Americans are East Asian so I can't see how you can argue the East Asians have any innate immunity advantage.

[Chiang Mai Bill]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Hold your horses!

 

It's around 3,000 deaths per day which, given the size of the Indian population, is roughly the same as the 800 daily deaths in the US, and less than the 300 daily deaths in France.

Yeah, sorry -- I meant to say "cases"!

 

Total cases   18.8M

Recovered 15.4M

Deaths 208K

[Enzian]

As for "cases by race", the LA Times has an update page every day. Asians in CA have the lowest numbers per 100,000 persons. Whites are a few percentage points higher than Asians. "Black and other" are about 25% higher than whites. The number for Latino is 2 1/2 times the number for whites. Make of it what you will. I'm computer bad or I would link, but it is easy to look up. Oh, and the page is not at all just about race, that's just one of many graphs.

Edited April 30, 2021 by Enzian
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[edwardandtubs]

10 minutes ago, PGSan said:

Sounds reasonable.  But even the Chinese are hugely diverse and maybe those in a given other country differ markedly from those in Bangkok?

Possibly but most of the Chinese diaspora can trace their origins back to the southern China area near Guangzhou so I'm not sure that would be a factor.

[Suua]

54 minutes ago, rabas said:

Every death in Thailand is recorded by law. This law is written in the bluebook and is the responsibility of the bluebook (house) owner. Every Thai is in someone's bluebook.

 

Vast numbers of unrecorded deaths is fantasy, just like vast numbers of covid cases that never appear anywhere.  

I'm sure you're thinking of the theory, which in a 1st world country, might just work.

 

Last week my wife's life long friend died in his late 30s, in a farming community in the North/Central region.

 Sadly he was renowned for being a 'lao khao' lover, so the 'Pu Yai' didn't even call the police.

Burned a few days later.....never reported.

I'm not making this up.

[Aomelia]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I want their crystal ball, my GF needs it for the national lottery. She has promised to share the winnings with me.

You let her buy Lottery tickets