People in Thailand look set to be restricted in choice of vaccine

[Colonial]

21 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

They’ll take the jab made by whichever vaccine company pays the government ministers and officials the most under the table to get the contract. Let nobody kid themselves, there is big money to made first and people’s health, wellbeing and the economy will be considered second. 

 

[Colonial]

The SINOVAC Chinese efficacy rate is only 50% so I would not take it if pushed in Thailand. They must get it free!!!

See attachment for efficacy details  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-11/sinovac-shot-cuts-risk-of-symptomatic-covid-in-half-in-key-study

[Brierley]

3 minutes ago, Colonial said:

The SINOVAC Chinese efficacy rate is only 50% so I would not take it if pushed in Thailand. They must get it free!!!

See attachment for efficacy details  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-11/sinovac-shot-cuts-risk-of-symptomatic-covid-in-half-in-key-study

The true efficacy rate of Sinovac is not understood yet because of the rush to get it to market. As the article points out, "a separate Sinovac study involving more than 10,000 people in Turkey put the vaccine’s efficacy at 83.5%". An Australian study showed that Sinovac is very effective against severe covid. 

[Captain Monday]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Are you unaware of any cases where the incubation period was more than a week?

 

Or ... you don’t think it’s possible to become infected AFTER the first PCR test?

95 percent get PCR positive within 2-5 days of exposure.

14 days come from double plus of what is 95 prevent safe.

15 night quarantine is excessive.

 

I had three tests in ASQ, the limited contact is with staff and people who give tests. After the third negative result I still was in the hotel around 36 hours. Possible I could bring it to the community. 

 

Using your logic you can mandate a 28 day quarantine and 7 post flight tests, or just shut the country forever as virus is NEVER going away in our lifetimes. It is a risk that can be managed, no 100 percent prevention is feasible. Might work on a remote island. Impossible here with a long frontier of "natural borders", requirement of migrant workers and of course, corruption.

 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Captain Monday

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Captain Monday said:

95 percent get PCR positive wishing 2-5 days of exposure.

 

I had three tests in ASQ, the limited contact is with staff and people who give tests. After the third negative result I still was in the hotel around 36 hours. Possible I could bring it to the community.

 

Using your logic you can mandate a 28 day quarantine and 7 post flight tests, or just shut the country forever as virus is NEVER going away in our lifetimes. It is a risk that can be managed, no 100 percent prevention is feasible.

 

It’s a matter of risk assessment.

 

The longer the quarantine, the less the risk of someone being released who subsequently infects others. Another factor is vaccination.

 

so, yes, the authorities have to determine how much risk they can afford.

 

As I suggested elsewhere, one way to reduce risk from vaccinated individuals is to mandate 2 per-flight PCR tests, one a week out, and another within 72 hours of departure. That effectively reduces the risk of an infected but vaccinated individual entering the country, and allows a shorter quarantine.

[nycjoe]

Holed up in the bunker until any vaccine is as available as viagra on sukhumvit. I think Thais are more afraid of the vaccine than the virus. Hopeful that better vaccines are in the pipeline. 

[Surasak]

21 hours ago, Susco said:

 

That is the same as in the UK then, where you also can't choose.

Thats as may be, but you are not forced to accept JUNK, which is not available anyway.

[Farang99]

20 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Just remember that AstraZenica is being made here in Thailand and will be released in June. I know that there will be a lot of idiotic comments from many idiots on here but just remember that it does not matter where AstraZenica is made it is made following the same formula that is used in every country that makes it. The biggest problem with getting any vaccine is that every country is competing with every other country to get vaccine for their own country and there are not that many companies making the vaccine and having it registered and approved by each individual country for their use. It is easy to sit back and criticize but non of you could do any better.

And apart from a possible connection with blood clots in some people it seems to be completely safe. Tht's certainly what I would go for it/when it becomes available.

[AlfHuy]

16 hours ago, Mike k said:

Look who owns Siam bioscience 

I am a "chair" holder as well.

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

I am a "chair" holder as well.

Duck, duck, goose, or musical chairs.  

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, iamariva1957 said:

The Thai FDA... you being funny? Trust them? I would rather ask  crystal ball.... it would far more reliant. Trust the EU and the US FDA& CDC  and the WHIO at the end of the day.

Why not stick to the facts, unsubstantiated opinions are meaningless.

Did the poster in question say "unapproved vaccine" or not?

[lavender19]

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/world-news/chinese-vaccine-expert-say-chinas-vaccines-most-unsafe-in-the-world/

Well who would have thought it

[iamariva1957]

41 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Why not stick to the facts, unsubstantiated opinions are meaningless.

Did the poster in question say "unapproved vaccine" or not?

What? I was sticking to the fact that I do not trust the Thai Food and Drug Administration. 

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, iamariva1957 said:

What? I was sticking to the fact that I do not trust the Thai Food and Drug Administration. 

And that related to the point in question, how exactly?

As already said, too many irrelevant opinions.

[steevjee]

On 5/1/2021 at 12:29 PM, herfiehandbag said:

Looks like he has sacked the doctors shirt and has gone full blown lean mean steely eyed decorated combat veteran!

Either that or the Dr shirt has been ripped off him and shredded

[p414]

16 hours ago, onebir said:

The UK as a whole for most of the year.

(And that's how we like it.)

Not me.. Is why I live here.

 

[John Drake]

Quote

Meanwhile, Sonthiya Sawasdee, adviser to the House committee on law, justice and human rights, yesterday filed a complaint with Technology Crime Suppression Division (TCSD) against Arunee Kasayanont, spokeswoman for the opposition Pheu Thai Party, over her comments on Saturday about the AstraZeneca vaccine.

He said Ms Arunee also allegedly posted part of her remarks on Facebook which can incorrectly lead the public to believe the vaccine is not effective.

Mr Sonthiya focused on her comment, “other people’s trash is our treasure”, which he said can affect public confidence in the vaccine. 

 https://www.thephuketnews.com/booster-shots-likely-needed-expert-says-79735.php

 

No disagreements allowed.

[dallen52]

No surprise there.

Late off the starting blocks.

Head in the sand approach.

[dallen52]

On 5/1/2021 at 9:39 AM, ThailandRyan said:

From where? Will you leave here to obtain it?

Yes.

Both my partner and her sister have declined to be vaccinated.

Most of her village the same.

So I'm out of there.

[retsdon]

Any vaccine is better than no vaccine.

 

(was happy when the girl with the syringe told me mine was Pfizer though...) ????

[ukrules]

On 5/1/2021 at 9:21 AM, webfact said:

Comments made by DP and health minister Anutin Charnvirakul suggested that people in Thailand will not be able to choose which Covid-19 vaccine they receive. 

He is mistaken, they will choose.

 

His hand will be forced when a huge percentage of the population declines vaccination due to their choice not being available.

 

Maybe that happens after a couple more outbreaks over an extended period of time (counting in year), who knows, but it will happen.

[theonetrueaussie]

On 5/1/2021 at 2:53 PM, madmen said:

Or die waiting. Big price to pay but ok if you live near a jungle however normal folk who love to socialize IMO are better off vaccinated ASAP

how many people have died from covid in thailand so far....how many have died from road deaths....I think you will find road deaths FAR ECLIPSES corona deaths...so with your thinking then you will never go out on the roads again either?? didn't think so!!

[Fromas]

So you blame the restrictions for the economic damage, but won't credit the same restrictions for keeping a lid on infections and deaths?

[wewillwewillrockyou]

Not a wise decision. Some people might not tolerate adenovirus. Give them a choice! 

[madmen]

25 minutes ago, theonetrueaussie said:

how many people have died from covid in thailand so far....how many have died from road deaths....I think you will find road deaths FAR ECLIPSES corona deaths...so with your thinking then you will never go out on the roads again either?? didn't think so!!

I don't drive 

[Devlin]

This is not particularly news-worthy.  In the UK and most other countries providing free vaccines to residents, the patient has no choice in which vaccine they'll receive.  I wanted Pfizer but when I arrived at the vaccination centre in my local UK hospital, I was given Astra-Zeneca.   No need to stir up fear on this subject as long as the vaccine works and the contra-indication risks remain infinitesimally small. 

[GinBoy2]

8 minutes ago, Devlin said:

This is not particularly news-worthy.  In the UK and most other countries providing free vaccines to residents, the patient has no choice in which vaccine they'll receive.  I wanted Pfizer but when I arrived at the vaccination centre in my local UK hospital, I was given Astra-Zeneca.   No need to stir up fear on this subject as long as the vaccine works and the contra-indication risks remain infinitesimally small. 

You are correct most countries you just don't get a choice, you get what they have.

 

All my family have ended up getting the Pfizer shot, but for me and my wife's second shot it was clear they had alternating stations for delivering either Pfizer or Moderna, depending on what you had the first time.

 

Now this a virus unlike all others, where we actually know the names of the vaccinations we are going to get, and I won't lie, I'd be highly wary of anything coming out of China getting pushed into my arm.

 

Contrast that when most of us go for an annual flu shot, you sit down in the local supermarket pharmacy and they shoot you up with whatever!

 

Do you ever question who the manufacturer was or the technology used?

 

So I know a lot of the press coverage has been over AZ, but I'd still trust that 100% more than I would over any China vaccine.

 

On a slightly tangential note, if you look at global vaccination rates, China lags way behind the pack. Funny stuff if they have such a world beating vaccine!

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

[elliss]

21 hours ago, Blumpie said:

I was going to get the jab on my butt because COVID is such a pain in it, but unfortunately it was a mass vaccination centre all out in the open.  I don't like looking at my own buttocks, I can't imagine anyone else would either.  So in the arm it went.

Maybe my second dose...

 

     Oh , you are awful.

      Butt, i like you .

      Sweet dreams ..

[Deerculler]

Too much negatively.

[Captain Monday]

8 hours ago, Devlin said:

This is not particularly news-worthy.  In the UK and most other countries providing free vaccines to residents, the patient has no choice in which vaccine they'll receive.  I wanted Pfizer but when I arrived at the vaccination centre in my local UK hospital, I was given Astra-Zeneca.   No need to stir up fear on this subject as long as the vaccine works and the contra-indication risks remain infinitesimally small. 

If you had walked out could you just go elsewhere?

That was my plan here in US. There is no choice but many sites, easy to find out what they are offering. By the way I don't really "want" pFizer over another I just hope to satisfy the health authorities of a certain country I would like to visit again ASAP.