How do I explain COVID risk?

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I have not seen a single documented case of a vaccinated individual infecting someone else.

Large study underway now to measure this, we have to wait 5 months for results though.

 

"This study is addressing the important issue about what does it mean to be vaccinated, as far as your risk for transmitting SARS-CoV-2 to people in your bubble of trust," Dr. Lilly Immergluck, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta, told the Post. 

 

https://www.livescience.com/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-college-trial-transmission.html

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Large study underway now to measure this, we have to wait 5 months for results though.

 

"This study is addressing the important issue about what does it mean to be vaccinated, as far as your risk for transmitting SARS-CoV-2 to people in your bubble of trust," Dr. Lilly Immergluck, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at Morehouse School of Medicine in Atlanta, told the Post. 

 

https://www.livescience.com/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-college-trial-transmission.html

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I am just saying I have not seen any documented cases. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I am just saying I have not seen any documented cases. 

Sure i agree with you 100%. Its an interesting subject

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Wasn't there a group of nuns who were all vaccinated, and then all caught COVID?

 .... or was that fake news?

Facebook and other social media platforms have essentially been weaponised by Russia and China. The former are past-masters of psy-ops, and the latter invests staggering levels of resources into cyber-warfare. Vaccine-fear is the latest salvo. They're already at war with the West - it just hasn't gone kinetic yet.

[Aomelia]

18 hours ago, covidiot said:

You can ignore my opinion.

 

My point is this. In the past, only the lunatic fringe was warning about potential harms of vaccines. Now the mainstream media seems to be publishing, every second day, about problems with vaccines.

 

It could be "fake news" perhaps? Fear-mongering? 

 

Basically, I'm saying your gf is not the only person who is afraid of the vaccines. I've met people who are not into vaccine conspiracies who are also concerned about the vaccines.

 

And I'm not telling you not to take it. 

 

 

Even Chinese don’t want it , and can you travel with a China or Russian vaccine 

[kwak250]

Your only an atm.

No need to explain anything.

[colinneil]

1 minute ago, kwak250 said:

Your only an atm.

No need to explain anything.

What a ridiculous/ sad comment, many farangs married here and are not A.T.M.s.

Men like you making comments like that make me angry, i have a wife of 10 years who has never asked/ taken 1 baht from me.

[Lacessit]

8 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

Your only an atm.

No need to explain anything.

You are confusing me with someone who endorses slavery and compulsion.

[Saltire]

My wife has registered but is unsure whether or not to take it when the time comes.

 

Her reasoning is 'I have never had any vaccine, why do I need one now.' She was never allowed to attend school so her brother who did got some vaccinations. Her hal brother who is autistic never went to school either so he is also immune to nothing.

 

It's hard to explain to her how vaccinations all but eradicate serious ilness from continents, and therefore each country needs a high percentage, but I will let her decide.

 

Me, I am in the tripple-whammy category and 66 so bring it on. I am happy the Sinovac won't be offered as it would be rude to refuse.

 

 

[Stevemercer]

If she wants to travel overseas she will need to get it eventually. I imagine there will be all sorts of restrictions on non-vaccinated people by next year. Tell her to go quietly when her turn in the queue comes.  Otherwise she will face gossip and discrimination from her peers.

[superal]

7 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

If she wants to travel overseas she will need to get it eventually. I imagine there will be all sorts of restrictions on non-vaccinated people by next year. Tell her to go quietly when her turn in the queue comes.  Otherwise she will face gossip and discrimination from her peers.

I agree , however the mind boggles as to what vaccines will be acceptable . In the western world the sinovac and sputnik vaccines are lowly rated .  Already in the UK there are rumblings that employers are insisting that new employees must have been vaccinated , especially when their work takes them to customers homes and this has been sanctioned by the UK government as legal . 

[superal]

11 hours ago, Scott said:

From what I have read, it appears that vaccinated people can be asymptomatic carriers and thus may infect others.   I think the current thinking is that they are less contagious and are shedding less virus, but that will require further study.  

 

There was a recent UK government statement that vaccinated people are less contagious to others and this was proven after an in depth study . 

[superal]

20 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Ask your girlfriend to explain why she doesn't want a vaccine, i bet it makes no sense, see if logic wins through

I had the same conversation with my g/f and tried to convince her and her mother to get the pfizer or a/z vaccine as opposed to the Chinese or Russian vaccine .  The following day I asked her if she had made an inquiry for the vaccines and she replied " no but the virus will be gone from Thailand in under 2 months , so no problem "  I said how do you know that and she replied " because the fortune teller told me today ".      End of the discussion with her cos otherwise could develop into Thai logic , brain killing , drink driving debate .  

[brewsterbudgen]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Yes, for her own safety and the safety of her 89 yo father.

Why not just vaccinate her father?

[Unify]

19 hours ago, Moonlover said:

 

And at that point I'm afraid your logic breaks down. Because being vaccinated does not prevent anyone from contracting Covid, it only reduces the impact. So your vaccinated G/F could still catch Covid and pass it on to her father.

This is false. While vaccines don't prevent 100% of transmission, a recent study showed 89% effectiveness in stopping transmissions.

 

"The Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE Covid-19 vaccine appeared to stop the vast majority of recipients in Israel becoming infected, providing the first real-world indication that the immunization will curb transmission of the coronavirus."

 

Stops 89% of transmissions, and almost completely eliminates serious Covid complications. Other vaccines may differ in efficacy, but I don't think they've studied one that doesn't prevent some transmission.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-21/pfizer-biontech-shot-stops-covid-s-spread-israeli-study-shows

 

 

[Simple Jack]

I had a friend who was not vaccinated against meningitis. Back in 1998 when we were 1'st year high school.

 

She got it. Out of the game for over a year. Almost deid. Many scars. Many health problems.  Basicaly became a  Leper.

 

It was her parents choice. Not yet adult.  But. We all have a choice. It's you're life. Do what you wish wiith it.

 

I won't judge anyone when stuff goes wrong.

 

Sad thing was. She was the prettiest girl.

[malt25]

21 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Ask your girlfriend to explain why she doesn't want a vaccine, i bet it makes no sense, see if logic wins through

Thai + logic = Oxymoron !

[KannikaP]

21 hours ago, ripstanley said:

Just tell her to go out without a mask and meet as many people as she can. She can then catch Covid and become a part of herd immunity or die.         

There is a theory that wearing a mask is to stop the wearer from catching Covid.  LOL

[KannikaP]

2 hours ago, colinneil said:

What a ridiculous/ sad comment, many farangs married here and are not A.T.M.s.

Men like you making comments like that make me angry, i have a wife of 10 years who has never asked/ taken 1 baht from me.

Some of us are lucky Colin and have our brains in our heads and not in our Jockeys.

[JCauto]

As to the original post dilemma, I'd do the following:

1. Explain COVID transmission by using the glitter analogy (if you have a kids party with glitter, how many adults at the party will end up with glitter on them?).
2. Explain the likely impact of COVID on your Father-in-law and on herself if that comes to pass.

3. As her if she understands that she is putting her Father in a situation of potential life risk and what she intends to do to prevent herself getting COVID and passing it on to him?

 

Her answers will let you know if it's time for a new GF. Anyone willing to put their father at risk due to their selfish behaviour is not worth having as a partner because they don't care about others. 

[dennnis]

Why should you push young people to be vaccinated, for them it is a bigger chance to die from vaccine than from covid. Vaccinated people are carriers too.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Stevemercer said:

If she wants to travel overseas she will need to get it eventually. I imagine there will be all sorts of restrictions on non-vaccinated people by next year. Tell her to go quietly when her turn in the queue comes.  Otherwise she will face gossip and discrimination from her peers.

None of the China vaccines are acceptable for travel to Europe as far as I know.

[Chongalulu]

22 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Yes, for her own safety and the safety of her 89 yo father.

Tell her not to get vaccinated then she can get inheritance (such as it may be) from dear papa by making him sick and dead then everybody happy. Logic and critical thinking is not in the Thai handbook 

[faraday]

3 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Your only an atm.

No need to explain anything.

 There's a city in the north of England called Scunthorpe.

 

Are you from there?

????

[gamb00ler]

22 hours ago, expatjustice said:

But when it is your girlfriend specially, and not your wife. IMO you shouldn't try to interfere with such a personal decision. It's her decision after all

The OP said explanation was his goal.  He never mentioned coercion.

[MrJ2U]

My Thai wife and her family don't want the Chinese vaccines.  I agree with her.  At the moment thats what Anutin is peddling.

[KannikaP]

52 minutes ago, faraday said:

 There's a city in the north of England called Scunthorpe.

 

Are you from there?

????

And there is Penistone!

[KannikaP]

1 hour ago, JCauto said:

Explain COVID transmission by using the glitter analogy (if you have a kids party with glitter, how many adults at the party will end up with glitter on them?).

No comment. LOL

[expatjustice]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

The OP said explanation was his goal.  He never mentioned coercion.

 

There's a fine line between them. 

 

If you spend the whole day explaining it,... it's more like convincing, and convincing pretty much makes you the bearer of responsibility should something go wrong. 

 

OP said he already tried explaining, and she came back with a negative answer and those points. Trying again to explain IMO is convincing.

[Guest Harm Hendrik Reitsma]

On 5/2/2021 at 7:27 PM, covidiot said:

You hardly need Chinese or Russian govts or even deluded conspiracy nut jobs to sow mistrust in Western vaccines.

 

The Western media is schizophrenic. One day they tell you the vaccines are safe and the following day they publish an article about bloot clots.

 

I know several people who don't have a conspiracy bone in their body who are worried about the vaccine, all thanks to western media. 

 

Take a look in the mirror before pointing fingers. Westerners think their media is holier-than-communist media. 

 

 

Ignorance is bless, so it seems with you to.

Covid is a bad flulike virus and will be ok within a sane body.

You should Read the different scientific essays and readings about it. And not asume you have all knowledge in hand about the West. Het yourself informed and don't spread nonsense. And i say of you are healthy, don't take a jab. But LIFE and wat good, take vit D, in fat fish like macarel and Salomon. Be sane with sanitation.

Good Luck.