Biggest thing to fear is fear itself

[webfact]

 

OPINION

By Tulsathit Taptim

 

A lot can go wrong if or when “Walk-in” (or whatever they call it) vaccination facilities are opened. People may scramble to receive jabs, creating potentially dangerous clusters. Untoward incidents can be captured on phone cameras and go viral. People turned away for whatever reasons can become hot, political topics. Some “recipients” may still get infected, become ill, or suffer from side effects.

 

Some of the anxieties are justified, yet the overall reluctance of the government and the general public is what the coronavirus thrives on. It feeds on the health authorities’ fears of a backlash, concerns of men on the street that the unwanted “jackpot” may befall them, and politicians’ worries that a certain kind of situation might impede their other plans.

 

Researchers commissioned by the World Health Organization have warned that the deadly virus only needs a small window of opportunity to strike. In a report released just a few days ago, they even took the WHO to task for declaring a global public health emergency too late. If the WHO had done it just a few days earlier, things could have been quite different, apparently.

 

So, the Prayut government does not have much time at all to fine-tune the vaccine measure. The numbers of infections and deaths are alarming. 

 

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[RichardColeman]

Be like grannies at the Salvation Army first jumble sale of the year !

[faraday]

It doesn't help that the media whips up & encourages this fear.

 

☀️ + ☁️ = 0

[sirineou]

10 minutes ago, Don Chance said:

This is the biggest 3 phase vaccine trial in human history. The truth is we just do not what the long term effects of these vaccines are.

 But we do know what the long term affects of dearth and covid 19 infection are.

"People With Severe COVID-19 Have Higher Risk Of Long-Term Effects, Study Finds"

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/22/989874986/people-with-severe-covid-19-have-higher-risk-of-long-term-effects-study-finds

[covidiot]

biggest thing to fear is regurgitating covid and vaccines ad nauseum.

 

[faraday]

Just now, covidiot said:

biggest thing to fear is regurgitating covid and vaccines ad nauseum.

 

 I absolutely agree.

 

How many more threads/discussions/angles are possible on Covid?

 

It gets so boring!

 

☀️ +☁️ =0

[covidiot]

7 minutes ago, faraday said:

How many more threads/discussions/angles are possible on Covid?

I have another angle for you.

Should we vaccinate our pets?

Ha ha ha!

Edited May 20, 2021 by covidiot

[cyril sneer]

54 minutes ago, webfact said:

People may scramble to receive jabs

Not sure this will happen if the only option is sinovac, which looks very likely.

 

People are right to fear this vaccine, and it will be useless if they ever want to travel abroad. 

[Jeffr2]

50 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

The deadly virus with 90% asymptomatic cases and a 99.7% survival rate.

 

Talk about fear...mongering!

It's NOT a 99.7% survival rate!  It's been proven most countries under count cases and deaths.  And many don't even report any stats.  So how can that number be accurate?  Answer: it isn't.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, covidiot said:

I have another angle for you.

Should we vaccinate our pets?

Ha ha ha!

Pets are getting covid.  But the chance of getting it from them is very low.  And it's not just pets.  Many other animals are now testing positive for covid.  We just don't know enough about this virus yet.

[BritManToo]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

It's NOT a 99.7% survival rate!  It's been proven most countries under count cases and deaths.  And many don't even report any stats.  So how can that number be accurate?  Answer: it isn't.

Me and my family survived (4 people) COVID with no after effects, which is all that counts for me.

[ThailandRyan]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

If the WHO had done it just a few days earlier, things could have been quite different, apparently.

So they missed it by that much, as Maxwell Smart would have said...    

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Me and my family survived (4 people) COVID with no after effects, which is all that counts for me.

A bit of a selfish statement.  Did you all get tested for covid?

[faraday]

1 hour ago, covidiot said:

I have another angle for you.

Should we vaccinate our pets?

Ha ha ha!

What dose would be given to a Budgie?

 

Asking for a friend.

 

????

[clivebaxter]

17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Me and my family survived (4 people) COVID with no after effects, which is all that counts for me.

Did any of you get tested or were you just assuming covid?

[rcuthbert]

Before I get vaccinated, I will do my research. If I decide that the benefits outweigh the risks - then I will go for it.

Wearing a mask is an important social responsibility. Begging the question - is it my duty to get vaccinated?

[Curt1591]

44 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's been proven most countries under count cases and deaths.

Link please ...

[rumak]

2 hours ago, covidiot said:

biggest thing to fear is regurgitating covid and vaccines ad nauseum.

 

right on.    even TV is just full of this stuff.     Same old guys repeating how serious it is.

And us same old guys saying .......uh........ something like ..." the biggest fear is fear itself".

 

i barely have a look at all the covid stuff.     just put it on my auto ignore in my brain.

 

the biggest damage is the state of mind of so much of the world,  infected with the endless

warnings and "necessary measures"  that have now taken over the minds of so many.

 

 

 

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, faraday said:

It doesn't help that the media whips up & encourages this fear.

 

Who is feeding them, a bit like the cinema's on world war 2 before TV''s were available, people would go and see the latest news, then act, lots didn't come back either after they signed up. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

Not sure this will happen if the only option is sinovac, which looks very likely.

 

People are right to fear this vaccine, and it will be useless if they ever want to travel abroad. 

Why do people are right to fear this vaccine, Please provide some links to research that has found Sinovac to be more dangerous than any other vaccine .  I agree that at this time it might no be among the accepted vaccines for international travel, that's not to say that this will not change soon, and if travel is your concern, then another vaccine might be your best bet. But the Thai government is not doing this so that people in Thailand would be able to travel. It is doing this to reduce deaths, and symptomatic infections, take the load of the health care system, and hopefully brake the back on this pandemic in Thailand. Let's wait and see, if one has no other options take what is available, no reason why one would not be able to take the Pfizer also when it becomes available the two vaccines work totally different.  

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Millions and millions of deaths.

 

There will also be millions and millions of other deaths, from other causes and life's natural expiry date for us, when that is, who knows, but it is inevitable, should we all live in fear....NO !

 

While this virus is out there, we should just adhere to the rules, and those wanting to get vaccinated, should do so and those that don't, shouldn't, simple from my point of view.

 

But it's not really that simple when you have the media constantly harping about it every single day and governments fumbling about when and how vaccines will be made available, this just creates fear.

 

Everybody needs to take a chill pill and relax, Covid will be around for a while, you just have to duck and weave till it does what it's got to do and if everyone gets vaxed, then we might see the norm once again, or there might just be another virus around the corner, will it be lab made, or ala natural, who knows.

 

Just breath and live, what will be will be, personally I will focus on life and when my number will be up and if Covid comes my way, I will do my best to deal with it, vaxed of not.

Edited May 21, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[CharlieH]

How many are becoming anesthetized to the whole Covid thing ? and are just ignoring it now, total lack of interest.

 

[mtls2005]

Editorial sucking up to the government, defending a continuous flip flopping on this subject, primarily by prayut and anutin. I'm shocked

 

There will be a time a place for walk-ins, and it is NOT now.

 

Stop this back and forth about walk-ins.

 

Procure enough vaccine. Vaccinate as many people as you can as quickly as you can.

 

In one breath the regime complains about a lack of confidence and uptake for vaccines by the public, and then they claim that walk--in centers will be overrun by the masses.

 

The regime is amazingly incompetent. A group of monkeys throwng darts could do better, on average. It seems like anyhting which can be done wrong, is done wrong, so in that sense they are "reliable".

 

 

 

 

[Excel]

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

How many are becoming anesthetized to the whole Covid thing ? and are just ignoring it now, total lack of interest.

 

I suspect very many by those who are either asymptomatic and not aware of it or those that have not contracted it. However if you read the latest reports about "Black Fungus" spreading at high rates in India, specifically effecting ex covid patients, that may re-focus peoples attention.

[Jeffr2]

39 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

Link please ...

You're a well known covid denier.  Your avatar proves that.  I could put up hundreds of links.  But, you're already aware of this, just don't want to admit it.

 

https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/05/15/there-have-been-7m-13m-excess-deaths-worldwide-during-the-pandemic

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/56242358

There are no publicly available records for recent deaths in Tanzania, and no information has been released on the impact of coronavirus since May last year, when 500 cases and 20 deaths were reported up to that point.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/09/25/914073217/why-the-pandemic-could-change-the-way-we-record-deaths

[cyril sneer]

57 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Why do people are right to fear this vaccine, Please provide some links to research that has found Sinovac to be more dangerous than any other vaccine .  I agree that at this time it might no be among the accepted vaccines for international travel, that's not to say that this will not change soon, and if travel is your concern, then another vaccine might be your best bet. But the Thai government is not doing this so that people in Thailand would be able to travel. It is doing this to reduce deaths, and symptomatic infections, take the load of the health care system, and hopefully brake the back on this pandemic in Thailand. Let's wait and see, if one has no other options take what is available, no reason why one would not be able to take the Pfizer also when it becomes available the two vaccines work totally different.  

because it's shown to be 50% effective, so the fear is in still catching covid after having it, and not having an option to change to another vaccine afterwards

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

It is actually the opposite, with even the CDC saying a few months ago that only 6% of the so-called Covid deaths in America, were from patients suffering from no other comorbidities.

 

In other words, the vast majority of the victims die from, say, cancer + Covid, or diabetes + Covid, and are counted fully as Covid deaths, even though they are deaths WITH Covid and not deaths from Covid.

 

There is also the little fact that American hospitals are given financial incentives for each reported Covid death.

 

It is thus no wonder that the richest/most developed country in the world is also the one that has reported the highest number of covid deaths, way above poor India and it's 1.4 billion population...

Come on.  If the death certificate says cause of death was CV19, then it was CV19.  Sure, being elderly or having underlying problems exacerbates things.  But this is a line typically used by covid deniers.  Along with the 99.7% survival rate.

 

Hospitals were paid a bit more for covid patients, but there is NO evidence they abused this. None.  There's a reason the US reported the highest number of covid deaths.  Poor leadership and politics.

 

You really need a better source for your news.  this might help:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

[jollyhangmon]

1 hour ago, Excel said:

I suspect very many by those who are either asymptomatic and not aware of it or those that have not contracted it. However if you read the latest reports about "Black Fungus" spreading at high rates in India, specifically effecting ex covid patients, that may re-focus peoples attention.

 

... I can top that with some additional 'White Fungus' whilst we're @ it ...

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health-news/coronavirus-after-rise-in-black-fungus-cases-white-fungus-cases-reported-in-india-heres-what-we-know-so-far/articleshow/82798610.cms

 

Whole thing starts to sound like freakin' Monty Python's in their prime, 555 ...

 

[jacko45k]

12 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

There is also the little fact that American hospitals are given financial incentives for each reported Covid death.

So look at non-USA numbers. 

The UK numbers clearly state died within 28 days of a positive Covid test, not died purely of Covid, but it still supplies a useful statistic. And to 'survive' something, one has to be infected with it. The number seems to be between 98% and 99%. (Slightly higher in UK, lower in Thailand).

[sirineou]

35 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

because it's shown to be 50% effective, so the fear is in still catching covid after having it, and not having an option to change to another vaccine afterwards

The problem is that the Thai government is not affectively communicating the facts concerning Sinovac, so there is a lot of misinformation . 

Neither of the above popular misconceptions are true. 

 There were some lab tests conducted initially that indicated what you said concerning the 50% efficacy, but when it was administered to millions around the world the data was a lot more positive. 

"China Sinovac Shot Seen Highly Effective in Real World Study " 

"Indonesia tracked 128,290 health workers in capital city Jakarta from January to March and found that the vaccine protected 98% of them from death and 96% from hospitalization as soon as seven days after the second dose "

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/china-s-sinovac-shot-found-highly-effective-in-real-world-study

 As far as being able to receive another vaccine later on. The Sinovac vaccine works differently than the Pfizer or the Moderna. 

The Sinovac works in the conventional sense where inactive  virus is injected into the person, and the person develops antibodies much in the way it would if it was infected . recovered and developed antibodies. 

  The Pfizer and Moderna are mRNA vaccines and work at the cellular level and the messages of how to make certain proteins required for the person to get infected, . I will not bore you with the details , if interested google it.  

  The point is that as even if you are infected with covid, you can still be vaccinated with Pfizer and Modern, you can also even if  injected with the inactive Sinovac vaccine virus .

  mRNA vaccines and traditional vaccines work in different ways and there is no evidence that there is a conflict.

To use an analogy, you can close the door to protect you from thieves, but you can also close the windows. Two different things. Nothing, other than getting hot LOL, stops you from doing both. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by sirineou