US President Joe Biden Calls For Further Investigation Into Virus Origin

[gearbox]

Great article in Sydney Morning Herald about the virus origin:

 

https://www.smh.com.au/national/are-we-ignoring-the-hard-truths-about-the-most-likely-cause-of-covid-19-20210601-p57x4r.html

 

Seems that most of the Australian experts in this area are overwhelmingly rejecting the lab leak theory.

 

Looks like just another stage of the anti-China propaganda. Next week they'll drop this subject and start something else.

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic, troll, inflammatory posts and replies removed.  

[school12]

With the Freedom of Information act for getting all of Fauci's emails, there's a lot of interesting things going on behind the scenes.  Here's the link to all of his emails https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561-leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails

 

On page 2286, The subject line is "Coronavirus bioweapon production method".  I wonder what that is supposed to mean since supposedly this is a naturally occuring virus.

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, school12 said:

With the Freedom of Information act for getting all of Fauci's emails, there's a lot of interesting things going on behind the scenes.  Here's the link to all of his emails https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561-leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails

 

On page 2286, The subject line is "Coronavirus bioweapon production method".  I wonder what that is supposed to mean since supposedly this is a naturally occuring virus.

Faucci got emails from lots of people, who knows who this guy is.  He also got lots of death threats.  Stunning anyone would do that to someone who's dedicated their entire life to public service.

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, NaamGin said:

 

Look it up yourself or is doing an internet search too difficult... 

If you post serious info like this, you need to back it up with proof. Otherwise, what you've said is B....

 

Prove it...

[NaamGin]

44 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

If you post serious info like this, you need to back it up with proof. Otherwise, what you've said is B....

 

Prove it...

 

As I stated earlier in the thread, this information is within the State Department report on the matter... 

 

Since your too lazy to actually do any research, here is the link... 

 

https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html

 

 

 

[NaamGin]

On 6/3/2021 at 12:39 PM, Jeffr2 said:

Faucci got emails from lots of people, who knows who this guy is.  He also got lots of death threats.  Stunning anyone would do that to someone who's dedicated their entire life to public service.

 

What is stunning is that people defend Fauci after he has lied to the public since the 1980's beginning with AIDS right up to covid19... 

 

Here is a primer for you, who is Peter Daszak and what was his role in this entire affair? 

[Fromas]

You can't take that factsheet as final evidence. Biden was right to call for an investigation.

[Fromas]

Just now, NaamGin said:

Here is a primer for you, who is Peter Daszak and what was his role in this entire affair? 

 

Prove your assertions.

[NaamGin]

2 minutes ago, Fromas said:

 

Prove your assertions.

 

Why should I, you would just attack the sources as it does not fit your narrative... 

 

I brought up the name Peter Daszak so his name will become part of the discussion, as it should because his name and emails have been found in the FOIA'd Fauci emails and is tied to suppressing the "lab leak" theory... 

 

Edited June 5, 2021 by NaamGin

[Fromas]

Here's a primer for you.  Cut your little 1-liner 0-accountability 0-data conspiracy world-is-out-to-get-us nonsense.

 

Do science.

 

[NaamGin]

1 minute ago, Fromas said:

Here's a primer for you.  Cut your little 1-liner 0-accountability 0-data conspiracy world-is-out-to-get-us nonsense.

 

Do science.

 

 

I love the "trust the science" people, especially when they ignore any scientists that refute your claims... I edited the last post, re-read it... 

[Fromas]

8 minutes ago, NaamGin said:

you would just attack the sources as it does not fit your narrative

 

Bravo, bravo.

 

[NaamGin]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

If you post serious info like this, you need to back it up with proof. Otherwise, what you've said is B....

 

Prove it...

 

Take your pick... 

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wife+of+wuhan+lab+reseacher+dies+Dec+2019&atb=v267-1&ia=web

 

[Fromas]

A forum dedicated to information and discussion related to the current pandemic in Thailand and Covid-19 topics that could affect people living in Thailand. This is not for conspiracy theories or any form of political discussion.

 

Mods, lock?

[Jeffr2]

9 hours ago, NaamGin said:

 

What is stunning is that people defend Fauci after he has lied to the public since the 1980's beginning with AIDS right up to covid19... 

 

Here is a primer for you, who is Peter Daszak and what was his role in this entire affair? 

Anyone who bashes Faucci has zip credibility. Zip. You've fallen for the fake news.

[Pattaya Spotter]

On 6/2/2021 at 8:38 AM, gearbox said:

Seems that most of the Australian experts in this area are overwhelmingly rejecting the lab leak theory.

The question is why and based on what evidence...mainly it's because SARS and MERS coronaviruses were zoonotic viruses. However, China has released very little actual hard data showing this and has yet to find human vector species. It is becoming more and more clear that the evidence for either hypothesis is thin and circumstantial and therefore the calls for further investigation. 

[Jeffr2]

On 6/5/2021 at 7:34 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

The question is why and based on what evidence...mainly it's because SARS and MERS coronaviruses were zoonotic viruses. However, China has released very little actual hard data showing this and has yet to find human vector species. It is becoming more and more clear that the evidence for either hypothesis is thin and circumstantial and therefore the calls for further investigation. 

Again, the VAST majority of credible scientists say it's from nature.  That can't be proven 100% right now.  But most put it at 95% plus. 

[EVENKEEL]

On 6/5/2021 at 5:15 AM, Jeffr2 said:

Anyone who bashes Faucci has zip credibility. Zip. You've fallen for the fake news.

Lots of talk about his emails, he's been bad.

[Jeffr2]

14 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Lots of talk about his emails, he's been bad.

Only if you read about it on the fake news websites.  Go with the better sources and you'll find out it was a big nothing burger.  sad some fall for the conspiracy theories.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/02/blog-posting/no-emails-fauci-dont-show-early-agreement-virus-wa/

 

No, emails to Fauci don’t show early agreement that virus was man-made

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/04/facebook-posts/faucis-emails-didnt-leak-they-were-obtained-under-/

 

Fauci’s emails didn’t ‘leak,’ they were obtained under federal law

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Only if you read about it on the fake news websites.  Go with the better sources and you'll find out it was a big nothing burger.  sad some fall for the conspiracy theories.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/02/blog-posting/no-emails-fauci-dont-show-early-agreement-virus-wa/

 

No, emails to Fauci don’t show early agreement that virus was man-made

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/04/facebook-posts/faucis-emails-didnt-leak-they-were-obtained-under-/

 

Fauci’s emails didn’t ‘leak,’ they were obtained under federal law

I find it fascinating that the left is copying Trump's use of "Fake News" I can't be bothered to investigate Fauci's emails. 

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On 6/3/2021 at 11:27 AM, school12 said:

With the Freedom of Information act for getting all of Fauci's emails, there's a lot of interesting things going on behind the scenes.  Here's the link to all of his emails https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561-leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails

 

On page 2286, The subject line is "Coronavirus bioweapon production method".  I wonder what that is supposed to mean since supposedly this is a naturally occuring virus.

Fact check: No, email to Fauci doesn't contain origin of a 'coronavirus bioweapon'

The claim that an email to Fauci contained the origins of the coronavirus is FALSE, based on our research. The text of the email is lifted from a research paper published in 2005, more than a decade before the emergence of COVID-19. Two of the paper’s co-authors said the virus particles used in their experiment did not contain genetic material from a coronavirus, so the process described isn't what Gaertner claims it to be. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-email-fauci-doesnt-contain-origin-coronavirus/7511931002/

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On 6/2/2021 at 7:17 AM, nemo38 said:

 

Sweden is still there. People are living normally.

 

If you want people to transition to a new model of society you should make your case and let us vote on whether we want to join you. Very few people will want to give up their privacy, freedom, social life in exchange for allegedly keeping very old and sick people alive for a few more days.

 

Depression and economic fallout is going to kill millions of people. It has already blighted the future of most young people 

 

New society promoters have a lot to answer for.

Just a "few more days". huh?

What is happening to life expectancy in England?

The Covid-19 pandemic caused 72,000 excess deaths in England in 2020 compared with the 2015–19 average, resulting in the largest annual fall in life expectancy since World War II: a fall of 1.2 years in males and 0.9 years in females

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/whats-happening-life-expectancy-england#:~:text=The Covid-19 pandemic caused 72%2C000 excess deaths in England,and 0.9 years in females.

 

Stop throwing made-up numbers around.

[Jeffr2]

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I find it fascinating that the left is copying Trump's use of "Fake News" I can't be bothered to investigate Fauci's emails. 

spoken like a true  Trump supporter.  Funny you can't handle the use of fake news now.  LOL

[rcuthbert]

On 5/31/2021 at 8:50 PM, nemo38 said:

 

You haven't addressed Covid being found in sewage samples from Spain from March 2019.

 

China has returned to normal life. Do you think they secretly developed a super jab, or did they initially panic and then realise the way to deal with Covid is to ignore it, rather than change your whole society?

So, someone arbitrarily decided to collect samples of 2019 Spanish poop, analyzed it, discovered a deadly virus, and decided to keep their findings a secret - until the pandemic struck? Perhaps they examined masculine bovine manure.

[candide]

12 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

I find it fascinating that the left is copying Trump's use of "Fake News" I can't be bothered to investigate Fauci's emails. 

There's a big difference. What Trump called fake news were usually supported by facts.

Just an example among others:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/26/coronavirus-trump-claims-the-worsening-us-outbreak-is-a-fake-news-media-conspiracy-even-as-hospitalizations-rise.html

[impulse]

On 6/1/2021 at 8:38 PM, gearbox said:

Seems that most of the Australian experts in this area are overwhelmingly rejecting the lab leak theory.

 

That's because they're not allowed out of Australia to even look.

 

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That's because they're not allowed out of Australia to even look.

 

Are you claiming that those who support the lab leak hypothesis have been allowed to look? At what exactly?

[cmarshall]

The one thing that is completely clear about SARS-Cov2 is that whether it came from human contact with wild animals or leaked out of a lab doesn't matter in the least.  The countries that were carefully surveilling emergent pathogens in China including S. Korea, Taiwan, Viet Nam, and others were able to suppress the virus by their early (beginning in 2019 in some cases) and vigorous response to the new threat.  If the criminally incompetent governments of the US, the UK, Brazil, and most of the countries of Europe had also been monitoring China for new viruses, they would have been able to control the outbreak as well.  

 

The US actually had an office of the CDC in Beijing with forty-seven employees including epidemiologists whose responsibilities included monitoring for a new epidemic, but the Trump administration shut it down in 2017 along with offices of other agencies like USAID that also had roles to play in warning about a new outbreak.  Any surveillance program would have been looking at all possible sources of a new outbreak including lab accidents.  But the Trump administration decided instead to do as little as possible at every stage leading to the deaths of 600,000 (really 900,000) Americans for which the US government is entirely to blame no matter where the virus came from.  

[CRUNCHER]

2 hours ago, cmarshall said:

The one thing that is completely clear about SARS-Cov2 is that whether it came from human contact with wild animals or leaked out of a lab doesn't matter in the least.  The countries that were carefully surveilling emergent pathogens in China including S. Korea, Taiwan, Viet Nam, and others were able to suppress the virus by their early (beginning in 2019 in some cases) and vigorous response to the new threat.  If the criminally incompetent governments of the US, the UK, Brazil, and most of the countries of Europe had also been monitoring China for new viruses, they would have been able to control the outbreak as well.  

 

The US actually had an office of the CDC in Beijing with forty-seven employees including epidemiologists whose responsibilities included monitoring for a new epidemic, but the Trump administration shut it down in 2017 along with offices of other agencies like USAID that also had roles to play in warning about a new outbreak.  Any surveillance program would have been looking at all possible sources of a new outbreak including lab accidents.  But the Trump administration decided instead to do as little as possible at every stage leading to the deaths of 600,000 (really 900,000) Americans for which the US government is entirely to blame no matter where the virus came from.  

A well reasoned argument with which I fully agree.

 

China can rightly be criticized for its handling of the initial stages, but if they informed the world on 30th December 2019 that there was a new strain of SARS which could have person to person transmission, would it have made a difference? In theory it should, but the way the developed world did respond later (God forbid we should miss our holidays) I think we would still have the disaster we are now in.