Another Thai woman dies after receiving AstraZeneca COVID-19 jab

[realfunster]

1 hour ago, DigitalCryminal said:

Here's Italian 18 years old Camilla Canepa died after AstraZeneca jab recently.

She got it on open jab days.

 

https://www.italy24news.com/News/79914.html

 

Shocking and truly compelling evidence.

 

I mean, I almost feel embarrassed to mention the statistically irrelevant 40.2 million doses of AZ given in the UK as at 2 June. 

[richard_smith237]

30 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

 

i would hardly call a technology that has been around for some 50 years "new".

 

Aside from Ebola vaccine, adenoviral vectors are used in cancer therapy an have been for almost a decade.

 

 

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Sorry but this is preposterous. Cancer is not a virus. And the guinea pigs who took those "cancer genetic therapies"... how many of them are still ALIVE... 3 years... 5 years... 10 years later ? Hum ?

 

Please enlighten us...

 

As for the "50 years old technology"... When it was used on such a large scale ? And on humans ?

 

Please again enlighten us...

 

The only thing which is preposterous is your ignorance. 

 

You would be well advised to remain silent and have everyone suspect you are fool than to make such comments and remove all doubt.... 

 

..... Or, run a google search and educate yourself, if thats possible. 

[realfunster]

1 hour ago, DigitalCryminal said:

 

AstraZeneca Shots Should Be Halted for Over-60s Too: EU Official

https://www.theepochtimes.com/astrazeneca-shots-should-be-halted-for-over-60s-too-eu-official_3856281.html

 

 

Already rebutted :

 

 

MILAN (Reuters) -The head of the EU drug regulator's COVID-19 task force said on Sunday that AstraZeneca (NASDAQ:AZN)'s coronavirus vaccine had a favourable risk-benefit profile for all age groups and particularly for those aged over 60.

Italian newspaper La Stampa earlier quoted European Medicines Agency (EMA) task force chief Marco Cavaleri as saying countries should avoid giving the vaccine to people aged over 60 in addition to younger age groups, amid fears over very rare blood clotting and as alternative vaccines become available.

"Unfortunately my words have not been interpreted correctly in a recent interview with La Stampa," Cavaleri said in a statement to Reuters. The AstraZeneca shot "maintains a favourable benefit risk profile in all ages but particularly in the elderly above 60," he said.

[Harry Om]

In Australia;

 

"There have been 48 confirmed and probable cases of TTS in Australia, 15 of which were more serious clots in the brain and abdomen. Thirty-three were more typical clots found in the legs and lungs.

 

But blood clotting specialist professor Huyen Tran said the incidence rate of the clotting condition was only part of the picture, and the severity of the cases must be considered.

 

Professor Tran cited international research which showed age was a factor in the severity of the clotting syndrome's disease.

 

"It appears from the data coming out of Europe and in the UK, the more severe cases of [the clotting syndrome] certainly involve younger people under the age of 60," he told 7.30."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-14/calls-to-review-age-cut-off-for-az-vaccine-after-latest-death/100214896

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There is no evidence that the Chinese vaccines are ‘worse’ with regards to potential health impact. 

People of Chile might disagree somewhat ! Their stats appear higher now than before they started using the Chinese gunk !

 

They’ve had an outbreak in the midst of vaccination as people mixed and relaxed instead of continuing to isolate before their second dose - a human factor. 

 

That information is widely available for this anyone willing not to cherry pick a slice of information to confirm their negative bias.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, realfunster said:

1 hour ago, DigitalCryminal said:

Here's Italian 18 years old Camilla Canepa died after AstraZeneca jab recently.

She got it on open jab days.

 

https://www.italy24news.com/News/79914.html

 

Shocking and truly compelling evidence.

 

I mean, I almost feel embarrassed to mention the statistically irrelevant 40.2 million doses of AZ given in the UK as at 2 June. 

 

VITT - 4 in 1 million chance according to reports. Tragic. In this case it's apparent that medical intervention was delayed and inefficient - the reports suggest she could have received an operation two days before she died. 

 

While VITT is a serious risk, the probability is extremely low, although not absent.

[Harry Om]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

VITT - 4 in 1 million chance according to reports. Tragic. In this case it's apparent that medical intervention was delayed and inefficient - the reports suggest she could have received an operation two days before she died. 

 

While VITT is a serious risk, the probability is extremely low, although not absent.

 

Well, according to the article from Australia I posted above;

 

"Currently the rate of clotting incidents is low, at 3.1 cases per 100,000 first doses for those aged under 50, and 1.8 cases for those who are older.

For people aged 50-59, the rate of clotting is 1.9 cases for every 100,000 doses."

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Autopsies will not show anything other than those things that the coroner has experience determining.

That does not mean that the vaccines are not the proximal cause that creates a cascading set of events that leads to organ failure and death.

As research comes to the light of day showing the mechanisms responsible that leads to sickness or death post-vaccination, then coroners will have the tools to determine causation.  The vaccines have been around less than a year so investigation into these mRNA and vector vaccine adverse reactions is in its infancy.

 

I think there is sufficient ‘experience’ and understanding to know that a vaccines does not cause atrial rupture, thickening of the heart wall (cardiomyopathy)....  these are the consequences of long term and hereditary complications....   

 

But... don’t let common sense get int eh way of hysteria. 

 

Note: the risk to VITT is known - but lets not make up dumb conclusions otherwise we’ll start blaming the vaccines for broken legs and the odd hernia.... 

 

 

[2009]

2 hours ago, Caldera said:

Back of the napkin calculation:

 

Last week, about 2,000,000 people were vaccinated in Thailand, which translates to about 2-3% of Thailand's population.

 

1,500 people die in Thailand on average on each day, so you'd expect that, last week, at least 200 people who also happened to get vaccinated that same week, died.

 

Add to this that old and ill people were over-represented among those who were vaccinated this early into the campaign, and the real number can be expected to be even higher.

 

Even if the vaccines were perfectly safe, you could get literally hundreds of reports like this one for last week alone. Unless causation is proven, the fact that they all died shortly after receiving the vaccine in itself is meaningless.

 

Very good points

 

I suppose it depends as well on the nature of the deaths.

 

Blood clot? Car accident?

 

Even without proof it can still be speculated that death by clot is suspicious compared with death by car, since we know that blood clots are a rare side effect.

 

[surangw]

happens to everyone, just no right away

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, 2009 said:

2 hours ago, Caldera said:

Back of the napkin calculation:

 

Last week, about 2,000,000 people were vaccinated in Thailand, which translates to about 2-3% of Thailand's population.

 

1,500 people die in Thailand on average on each day, so you'd expect that, last week, at least 200 people who also happened to get vaccinated that same week, died.

 

Add to this that old and ill people were over-represented among those who were vaccinated this early into the campaign, and the real number can be expected to be even higher.

 

Even if the vaccines were perfectly safe, you could get literally hundreds of reports like this one for last week alone. Unless causation is proven, the fact that they all died shortly after receiving the vaccine in itself is meaningless.

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Very good points

 

I suppose it depends as well on the nature of the deaths.

 

Blood clot? Car accident?

 

Even without proof it can still be speculated that death by clot is suspicious compared with death by car, since we know that blood clots are a rare side effect.

 

 

When 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year anyway it is also perfectly feasible that some of those deaths will be from a blood clots. 

 

i.e. approximately 70,000 people in Thailand will have a Thrombotic event this year - stats suggest that 1 in 9 of those thrombotic event lead to death. 

 

 

Caldera’s point is bang on the money.

[impulse]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

..... Or, run a google search and educate yourself, if thats possible. 

 

I ran a Google search.  No long term findings yet...  Perhaps they're waiting for a long term to transpire before they publish them.

[katana]

2 hours ago, Henryford said:

It's odd that when someone dies within 30 days of a positive Covid test then of course they died of Covid. But if someone dies with 30 days of a vaccine jab then of course they died of underlying medical conditions.

[mommysboy]

And what about her underlying health?  One particular event involving a particularly fit and healthy footballer recently shows us that anyone can have serious attacks - sadly we are mere flesh and bone.

[DavisH]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The only thing which is preposterous is your ignorance. 

 

You would be well advised to remain silent and have everyone suspect you are fool than to make such comments and remove all doubt.... 

 

..... Or, run a google search and educate yourself, if thats possible. 

Someone worthy of our ignore list, I think. 

[Pravda]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

From link : The woman’s son revealed that she was taking her regular medications for high-blood pressure and diabetes and that his mother’s health was, in general, normal

 

So, just as possible she died of a high blood pressure diabetes issue

 

And of course, all those people that died of covid died of high blood pressure.

[redwood1]

4 hours ago, Hepbub said:

We hear of these deaths, but no-one hears of any related illnesses which might have contributed to the death. My wife is terrified of getting the vaccine now because of these stories. people should be forced to print the results of how the person died. Not just "died after receiving the AZ jab". That is just scare mongering!

 

I guess all the other 100s and 100s of deaths after vaccines were scare mongering too....

[redwood1]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes we do.

 

46 year old woman reported to have a seizure then died within hours of AZ - died of a massive heart attack (ruptured right atrium of the heard).

 

Male (can’t remember age) reported to have died within hours of AS vaccine - Autopsy reported cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart wall) led to heart attack/

 

27 other who died after taking the AZ vaccine - the last reports I read, 12 of the deaths were reported to be unrelated to a vaccine (after autopsies) at the time, the others were waiting to be investigated (i.e. autopsies had not yet been performed)

 

When ±1500 people die each day every day in Thailand (on average) and while Thailand is rolling out mass vaccinations it a statistical certainty tha tmany will die on the day they take the vaccines, some before some after etc.

 

When the news reports that someone died after taking the vaccine it the vast majority of cases the timing is merely coincidental.

 

 

Denying some people do die from the vax gets boring....

[redwood1]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

One thing is for sure... given the statistical certainty of daily deaths in Thailand (45,747 die each month in Thailand) a lot of people will be dying on the same day they take the vaccine, a lot more will be dying within a few days of taking the vaccine and a lot more will be dying within a month of taking the vaccine....

 

Until we get another story the media is intent of creating hysteria about there will be sensationalist reports on a daily basis... the common headlines will be ‘died after taking the vaccine’...  these headlines will serve as conformation bias... 

 

However, autopsies will show that the cause was not the vaccine, however, by that time the ‘mud has stuck’ and the real news is no where near as interesting or dramatical as the conspiracy... 

 

Also note: the family of anyone who dies shortly after taking the vaccine will want their 400,000 baht, there is every incentive for them to try and blame the vaccine !

 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1220222-autopsy-shows-woman-died-of-heart-attack-after-astrazeneca-shot/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1220116-12-recent-deaths-not-related-to-covid-19-vaccines/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1220320-widow-thinks-husband’s-death-may-be-linked-to-az-vaccine/

 

 

 

Yawn......

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Harry Om said:

In Australia;

 

"There have been 48 confirmed and probable cases of TTS in Australia, 15 of which were more serious clots in the brain and abdomen. Thirty-three were more typical clots found in the legs and lungs.

 

But blood clotting specialist professor Huyen Tran said the incidence rate of the clotting condition was only part of the picture, and the severity of the cases must be considered.

 

Professor Tran cited international research which showed age was a factor in the severity of the clotting syndrome's disease.

 

"It appears from the data coming out of Europe and in the UK, the more severe cases of [the clotting syndrome] certainly involve younger people under the age of 60," he told 7.30."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-14/calls-to-review-age-cut-off-for-az-vaccine-after-latest-death/100214896

The last 3 lines from the link above.

 

"The woman's death, the second believed to be linked to the vaccine in Australia, occurred after 3.6 million doses of AstraZeneca had been administered."

 

So the odds in Australia if you are of the "wrong age" are 1,800,000 to 1.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes we do.

 

46 year old woman reported to have a seizure then died within hours of AZ - died of a massive heart attack (ruptured right atrium of the heard).

 

Male (can’t remember age) reported to have died within hours of AS vaccine - Autopsy reported cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart wall) led to heart attack/

 

27 other who died after taking the AZ vaccine - the last reports I read, 12 of the deaths were reported to be unrelated to a vaccine (after autopsies) at the time, the others were waiting to be investigated (i.e. autopsies had not yet been performed)

 

When ±1500 people die each day every day in Thailand (on average) and while Thailand is rolling out mass vaccinations it a statistical certainty tha tmany will die on the day they take the vaccines, some before some after etc.

 

When the news reports that someone died after taking the vaccine it the vast majority of cases the timing is merely coincidental.

 

 

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Denying some people do die from the vax gets boring....

 

Of course... the uneducated also prefer reading dramatised, sensationalised, unverifiable and often the blatantly false tabloid news.... 

 

Apologies...  some big words there... Dumb people prefer trashy news...  Of course you would find facts boring. 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

16 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

I guess all the other 100s and 100s of deaths after vaccines were scare mongering too....

 

Ok.. so you guess.... you can also guess the moon is made of cheese and the earth is flat. 

 

Your 100’s and 100’s of deaths after vaccines are probably low...  With over 800 million people vaccinated the reality is 10’s of thousands of people will have died within days of receiving a vaccines - that is a statistically certainty based on daily fatality stats alone.

 

The key issue is whether the vaccine caused those deaths, in the vast majority of cases once the sensationalist reporting has simmered down where there is follow up information the reality highlights death by other causes (examples I provided earlier).

 

 

[Rookiescot]

So adverse reactions to the AZ vaccines are measured but I personally cannot find any figures for adverse reactions to the Chinese vaccines.

I find this odd.

Given my local village has just been inoculated using the Chinese vaccines (about 600 people) and 11 of them are now in hospital with serious side affects. 

Then there was the case of 80 frontline medical workers being given the Chinese vaccine and circa 10% of them were hospitalised. 

I suspect other agendas are being played out here.

[EricTh]

2 hours ago, Harry Om said:

In Australia;

 

"There have been 48 confirmed and probable cases of TTS in Australia, 15 of which were more serious clots in the brain and abdomen. Thirty-three were more typical clots found in the legs and lungs.

 

But blood clotting specialist professor Huyen Tran said the incidence rate of the clotting condition was only part of the picture, and the severity of the cases must be considered.

 

Professor Tran cited international research which showed age was a factor in the severity of the clotting syndrome's disease.

 

"It appears from the data coming out of Europe and in the UK, the more severe cases of [the clotting syndrome] certainly involve younger people under the age of 60," he told 7.30."

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-14/calls-to-review-age-cut-off-for-az-vaccine-after-latest-death/100214896

 

 

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

When 1 in 1000 people have a Thrombotic event each year anyway it is also perfectly feasible that some of those deaths will be from a blood clots. 

 

i.e. approximately 70,000 people in Thailand will have a Thrombotic event this year - stats suggest that 1 in 9 of those thrombotic event lead to death. 

 

 

Caldera’s point is bang on the money.

 

Blood clots happen in different body parts for different people. If blood clot happen in your hand, or legs, it's quite minor.

 

But if blood clots happen in the heart or lungs, then it can be life threatening.

 

It doesn't mean that those who didn't die didn't have blood-clots, just different body parts which can be easily cured by an anti-clotting agent if given enough time.

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by EricTh

[gearbox]

45 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

So adverse reactions to the AZ vaccines are measured but I personally cannot find any figures for adverse reactions to the Chinese vaccines.

I find this odd.

Given my local village has just been inoculated using the Chinese vaccines (about 600 people) and 11 of them are now in hospital with serious side affects. 

Then there was the case of 80 frontline medical workers being given the Chinese vaccine and circa 10% of them were hospitalised. 

I suspect other agendas are being played out here.

Where do you find the info about the adverse reactions to AZ? I don't think there is a proper systematic information collection in regards to the adverse reactions for any vaccine in Thailand.

There were more than 40k Sinovac jabs administered in Samui,  as far as I know nobody has been hospitalized. 

[MaiChai]

I had the AZ vaccine in the UK and felt poorly the day after. Its a common theme with it; several people I know had similar experiences. However it is a cheap vaccine to produce and designed for mass vaccination as required in a pandemic so you can make what you will with this, but I am glad to be vaccinated (have had both doses now; 2nd one no side effects other than feeling sleepy). Wife had the Pfizer vaccination; no side effects whatsoever; but this one is much more expensive to produce; from what I hear its probably the best one.

 

On the basis of what I know the AZ should not be given to older people (especially a 73 year old) or anyone who is not fit and healthy. Interestingly the AZ is not given to anyone under 40 in the UK; apparently there is a higher chance of blood clots on those under 40.

Edited June 14, 2021 by MaiChai

[richard_smith237]

32 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Blood clots happen in different body parts for different people. If blood clot happen in your hand, or legs, it's quite minor.

 

But if blood clots happen in the heart or lungs, then it can be life threatening.

 

It doesn't mean that those who didn't die didn't have blood-clots, just different body parts which can be easily cured by an anti-clotting agent if given enough time.

 

 

You’re nearly there...  but still have some misunderstanding. 

 

A blood clot in the legs; deep vein thrombosis  (DVT) is deadly - the clot can migrate and block the pulmonary artery leading to a massive heart attack. 

 

Pulmonary Embolism is usually the consequence of a DVT - its rare for the blood blots to develop in the lungs, the blood clot develops elsewhere and migrates into the lungs.

 

It is estimated that in the US alone someone dies from a DVT / PE every 5 minutes. 

 

The problem is colossally yet receives so little attention. 

 

 

 

[Chelseafan]

6 hours ago, terryp said:

both my parents had the AZ first shot on 21 Jan 2021 ..neither had any on going medical issues both were fit and healthy (never had problems with Breathing heart, kidneys , diabetes etc both non smokers never drank alcohol)....

My father started having reactions from the 2nd day after receiving the injection & sadly died 53 days later from a AMI (heart attack).....My mother had many different reactions that changed weekly from rashes, blinding headaches, blood clots , body swellings, could not stand unsupported lasted 106 days and died from an AMI (heart attack)....My Mothers doctor admitted to her 4 days before her death that it was her immune system attacking her body and he had no idea what to do and for her not to take the 2nd shot.......I am going thro hell sorting out 2 wills etc as sole executor 

 

TOO MANY PEOPLE have absolutely no idea whats going on and are basically brainwashed ...but I hope you think long and hard before letting anyone convince you to take this muck.

 

I am not interested in anyone's pro vax stand I am living with the consequence  of loosing Both my parents in less than 4 months of them being injected ...to me this is state mandated murder

 

I am very sorry to hear of your loss this but the whole thing needs to be taken in context.

Taking any form of medication usually incurs risk. For most the risk is small but some do die from a reaction. If you look at the small print of any prescribed drug it will list the warnings.

 

Whether AZ causes premature death I don't know but the data (so far)  does not seem to suggest that there are any sifgnificant increase in deaths nor any causal link. Time will tell but even if there is a link, the %age of people dying from the vaccine is minute.

 

There is a good article here

https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nkg]

6 hours ago, Antonymous said:

 

Yesterday BBC reporting 42 deaths in England of the Covid Delta variant and that almost half of the people who have died of the Delta variant were vaccinated!

 

This is the short clip of the actual announcement on BBC. Notice how confused the newsreader is:

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1403830591301242883

 

 

It's a dumb statistic, because far more UK adults have been vaccinated than not - 78%.

 

There are 54 million adults in the UK, 78% of them is 42.12 million. The remaining 22% represents 11.88 million.

 

19 died who had received at least 1 vaccine - 19/42.12 million = 0.45 deaths per million people

23 died who had received no vaccine - 23/11.88 million = 1.93 deaths per million people

 

1.93 / 0.45 = 4.29

 

So from this small sample of 42 deaths, unvaccinated people were 4.29 times more likely to die than vaccinated people.

 

 

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

From link : The woman’s son revealed that she was taking her regular medications for high-blood pressure and diabetes and that his mother’s health was, in general, normal

 

So, just as possible she died of a high blood pressure diabetes issue

 

But if she was taking regular medication (repeat regular medication) for high blood pressure and diabetes that doesn't mean the conditions have been cured/gone away. In other words the conditions were still present?

 

I'm hoping a TV member who is qualified/experienced doctor will please post a response.