Online appeal launched to fly home elderly British man taken seriously ill in Korat

[Inala]

On 6/19/2021 at 5:18 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

If one thinks they'll still be as good at 73 as at 62 I have a bridge for sale. I didn't get really bad till I hit 70 and it's all downhill since.

People say I look well, but my body disagrees.

 

Thanks for the reassurance! 

[ray richards]

It would be a waste of time & lots of money coming back to uk for treatment.

The NHS is not what it used to be, the treatment is dire with massive waiting lists unless you pay private e.g Bupa etc.

This guy & his family would be better asking his close friends in Thailand to fund for the treatment in Thailand which would be much cheaper for him & much better treatment than uk NHS.

[Neeranam]

4 hours ago, Inala said:

 

Thanks for the reassurance! 

It depends on how you have lived your life, your genes, and Karma. 

My mother is 79 and pays golf 3 times a year. Her mother died recently at 99.

[IvorBiggun2]

13 hours ago, puchooay said:

No. Locked in syndrome is paralysis of all voluntary muscles.

Except for the muscles that control the eyes.

[The Fugitive]

On 6/19/2021 at 11:19 PM, Chris.B said:

 

That only applies to Brits, no problem for anyone else though! ????

Spot on! Shortly before I retired went for an interview with the NHS. The job was recovering the cost of treatment already provided from people who weren't entitled to receive it for free. The office looked extremely impoverished. A little while later I heard they had abandoned trying to recover such monies as not cost effective.

[phka]

On 6/19/2021 at 7:46 PM, KarenBravo said:

 

.....and yet he still didn't go home when he could have, preferring to stay with no insurance (which is the same as being self insured).

 

Not only do actions have consequences, but inaction has them, too.

Up to him isn't it the freedom of choice

[IvorBiggun2]

3 minutes ago, phka said:

Up to him isn't it the freedom of choice

 As long as his actions doesn't make him a burden to others. And in this case...................

[KarenBravo]

34 minutes ago, phka said:

Up to him isn't it the freedom of choice

 

Not if it results in begging from strangers.

[chalawaan]

I'm getting compassion fatigue for these stories.

 

No matter how it is spun, it's seldom a predicament that could not have been avoided.

 

I have been very ill abroad and travel insurance paid up in full over a year later, the delay was all my procrastination, also I had enough funds to go adventuring.

 

I am by no means as well off as I hope the majority here are, which is why I'm here to begin with, until or if, I can get my life back on track, but I would rather face the music at home, than knowingly get myself and my extended family and friends into this horrible jam. It seems death would really be the easiest solution all round, and that's not being mean, he's in a pretty hopeless situation, even if he makes it home. 

Edited June 21, 2021 by chalawaan

[NightSky]

On 6/20/2021 at 6:26 PM, Neeranam said:

I don't understand family turning on you. Family stick together where I come from. That's what I was taught from an early age and pass on to my kids. 

 

 

 

 

I was taught the same although extended family can turn on you no matter how much you give - sometimes it’s never enough 

 

[bimmerbob]

On 6/20/2021 at 1:21 PM, IvorBiggun2 said:

So they traveled aboard with no cards or ability to get someone back home to help.? BS 

With respect, are you aware that travel insurances for the elderly can only be renewed if they are physically present in the UK? I am speaking from personal experience of dealing with insurance companies on behalf of my parents.

So, unless you have verifiable means of doing so to the contrary, I suggest you close the door behind you, BS or not.

 

[IvorBiggun2]

13 minutes ago, bimmerbob said:

With respect, are you aware that travel insurances for the elderly can only be renewed if they are physically present in the UK? I am speaking from personal experience of dealing with insurance companies on behalf of my parents.

So, unless you have verifiable means of doing so to the contrary, I suggest you close the door behind you, BS or not.

 

But he chose not to return to the UK to renew his policy. He wasn't ill when his policy ran out so all this <deleted> is his own making. I just wonder if when his policy ended he didn't try and get a Thai policy. 

[Millcx]

On 6/19/2021 at 11:00 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

No. Far as I know if he returns to the UK and lives there long enough as a permanent resident he gets NHS again. It's to stop medical tourism for free which was a major problem when I worked in the NHS. We were not allowed to ask if the patient was entitled to NHS treatment. Loads of operations for people not entitled to them.

Yep your right coz I just done it .. Took a year and you better be online savvy and dying because it’s a nightmare .. 5 days before I actually got NHS approved I had to go to A&E .. Arrived at 13.00 and was seen by doctor at 03.00am the next day ..  now there is a fact of being a returning expat

[Sheryl]

On 6/19/2021 at 10:56 AM, puchooay said:

 

 

There is also no mention of how long his original travel policy was for. However, which ever way you look at it, as soon as his insurance lapsed and he could not renew he became a self insurer

Actually he became uninsured. Contrary to what many on this forum believe, "self insured" is not synonomous with, nor a euphemism for, being uninsured.

 

Being self insured has a quite specific meaning. From my years on this forum barely 1 in 100 people who claim to be self insured, actually are.

[puchooay]

23 minutes ago, Millcx said:

Took a year

Why did it take that long?

 

I was registered with a GP and obtained my NHS number within 2 weeks.

[BobBKK]

On 6/19/2021 at 12:36 PM, puchooay said:

Not unfair as not true, with regards to healthcare.

 

It's true you got away with it - good for you

[BobBKK]

On 6/21/2021 at 9:19 AM, Neeranam said:

It depends on how you have lived your life, your genes, and Karma. 

My mother is 79 and pays golf 3 times a year. Her mother died recently at 99.

 

Nonsense - it is not a sign of 'good' karma and could be a sign of bad. My father died at 92 and was an <deleted>. 

[puchooay]

13 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

It's true you got away with it - good for you

I didn't get away with anything.

 

I went by the book, completed the forms and got registered with a GP and received a NHS number. As did my daughter who holds a UK passport and as did my wife who has a biometrics card.

 

We followed the rules and that is that.

[Neeranam]

31 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

Nonsense - it is not a sign of 'good' karma and could be a sign of bad. My father died at 92 and was an <deleted>. 

I meant from a previous life, not current one. 

[bimmerbob]

23 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

But he chose not to return to the UK to renew his policy. He wasn't ill when his policy ran out so all this <deleted> is his own making. I just wonder if when his policy ended he didn't try and get a Thai policy. 

Not wishing to argue, I suggest you go back and read the first few paragraphs of the article for a better comprehension before getting judgemental.

[IvorBiggun2]

25 minutes ago, bimmerbob said:

Not wishing to argue, I suggest you go back and read the first few paragraphs of the article for a better comprehension before getting judgemental.

I don't wish to argue also but all the story tells us/me is what the daughter wants us to know which will enhance the heart strings for the 'GoFundMe' appeal. I for one don't believe one iota of the story.  Where's me violin.

[from the home of CC]

is the site trying to beat the record for pages of posts, boo hoo and all that but how about moving on?

[spornb]

18 hours ago, Millcx said:

Yep your right coz I just done it .. Took a year and you better be online savvy and dying because it’s a nightmare .. 5 days before I actually got NHS approved I had to go to A&E .. Arrived at 13.00 and was seen by doctor at 03.00am the next day ..  now there is a fact of being a returning expat

For Uk passport holders born in the UK, who have paid ALL their National Insurance contributions (whichI have done) also with a NI number, arrive in UK transported by ambulance to A&E, direct from airport and make the following statement, I am permanently back in the uk, have no intention of leaving, currently neither have UK address nor GP, THE SYSTEM WILL ACCEPT AND DEAL WITH YOU, even if wait might be a long time, and not as comfortable as Thailand.

A Thai bank statement showing receipt of your UK pension may also help

 

Personally I am in this category and hope I never have to resort to it, but its there as a failsafe, 45 mins before landing create a medical emergency so you are met by ambulance. and before boarding have a doctors letter confirming at that time you are fit to fly, so you are not refused boarding, have a clause saying you have high blood pressure from time to time but your medication controls this also request long leg room close to toilet as prostate necessitates many toilet trips, also no leg cramps, I a;ways get this each time before flying, as when going to check in in wheel chair questions will be asked

 

Arrive in UK first get a new GP it will all take a while and be time consuming, especially if you need housing as well

 

WHATEVER YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE A PLAN

[IvorBiggun2]

1 minute ago, spornb said:

 

WHATEVER YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE A PLAN

 

Unlike the man in this thread. As well as having a 'plan' always have a plan B.

[IvorBiggun2]

12 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

Unlike the man in this thread. As well as having a 'plan' always have a plan B.

 

Sorry there was a 'plan'. It's called a 'GoFundMe'. That will save my family from putting up their houses, cars , holiday money, to help. A 'GoFundMe has to be a win win solution every time someone looks for free help.

Edited June 24, 2021 by IvorBiggun2

[spornb]

1 minute ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

Unlike the man in this thread. As well as having a 'plan' always have a plan B.

Thank you, my Plan A is to continue with Thai hospitals and Palliative Care, Srinakarin teaching hospital KhonKaen, I have regular appointments in fact one today and eventually die peacefully here in Thailand, I have a very caring Thai wife of 12 yrs

 

My palliative care unit will do home visits if required and administer pain killers by injection if required, I registered with Palliative care three years ago and hope one day to become their longest surviving patient, rooms at the hospital for in patient care are also very affordable

 

Maybe I have only months left or maybe years who knows

 

Every day is a new day, I struggle to walk but can still drive, unless I am too high on medication, when my wife drives, our disabled sticker on the car means security at the hospital look after the car when we are there

 

Thank you God

[IvorBiggun2]

2 minutes ago, spornb said:

my Plan A

My plan A is to die in Ting Tong Land, no plan B. I've to much pride to hold out the begging bowl.

[The Fugitive]

5 hours ago, spornb said:

Thank you, my Plan A is to continue with Thai hospitals and Palliative Care, Srinakarin teaching hospital KhonKaen, I have regular appointments in fact one today and eventually die peacefully here in Thailand, I have a very caring Thai wife of 12 yrs

 

My palliative care unit will do home visits if required and administer pain killers by injection if required, I registered with Palliative care three years ago and hope one day to become their longest surviving patient, rooms at the hospital for in patient care are also very affordable

 

Maybe I have only months left or maybe years who knows

 

Every day is a new day, I struggle to walk but can still drive, unless I am too high on medication, when my wife drives, our disabled sticker on the car means security at the hospital look after the car when we are there

 

Thank you God

Very comforting to know that all this is available. Best wishes to yourself and Mrs.

[Percy P]

On 6/19/2021 at 8:31 AM, canopus1969 said:

Sorry I do not understand, he can get very good treatment here

Yes for the price of the cost the BE quote of £80,000

[OJAS]

On 6/19/2021 at 11:13 AM, Excel said:

He could have had covid extensions for the last 18 months

 

And up until 7 June he was presumably able to get to the Korat Immigration Office (assuming that Korat is where he has been staying these past 18 months) under his own steam for these 60-day extensions - which, clearly, he is no longer in a position to do.

 

On 6/19/2021 at 11:38 AM, tonray said:

If you've ever had a sick parent in a hospital situation, the care received becomes markedly better if someone is there to make sure they are properly attended to. Not necessarily talking about medical procedures but general care and condition.

 

Strikes me that a key responsibility of the "someone" to whom you refer would, in this instance, be to ensure that the poor guy obtains the 90-day medical extensions to which he has been entitled since 7 June. Not sure whether the hospital will necessarily be on his case in this regard off their own bat, with the result that he could eventually find himself on overstay, with the potentially dire consequences which that would entail on top of his existing predicament.

Edited June 25, 2021 by OJAS