Prominent doctor suggests one week lockdown of Bangkok to curb COVID-19 spread

[Pravda]

42 minutes ago, DjSilver said:

Thai doctors have to be one of rhe worst in the world. There ain't even that much covid-19 in Bangkok or Thailand to even have any restrictions. 

 

Hey bud, do me a favor and google the word oxymoron

[Percy P]

20 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Seven days, then seven weeks then seven months. 
 

Lockdowns don’t work. 

 

Stop this nonsense now and open the world.

But death is a permanent lockdown, so what do you want

[kiwikeith]

20 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Seven days, then seven weeks then seven months. 
 

Lockdowns don’t work. 

 

Stop this nonsense now and open the world.

Lockdowns do work, only trouble is borders can not be locked in many countries, opening the world now will be a disaster as the Delta variant they now say according to ABC  Australia can take only 5 seconds to infect another, they are now suggesting double masking, Delta is now closing Australia and NZ travel bubble and spreading fast, so good luck LOS at the big opening, soon people will be flocking in , forged vaccine cert in hand no quarantine, welcome Delta to the LOS , lock up your Granny.

I heard the USA is advising citizens not to travel to Thailand at present but can not confirm the news source as only a friend just told me, some one may know, but does not look good.

[Salerno]

11 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

I heard the USA is advising citizens not to travel to Thailand at present

 

The wording is "reconsider" not advising "not to travel" per se.

[from the home of CC]

5 hours ago, chang1 said:

It's late, not "too late", there are still lives to save. But a week is not going to do much. One or two months with targeted vaccination is needed. 

it's 'too' late in the sense that this has already spread far and wide and I agree with a month shutdown. But the greedy, like they have in other countries, will pressure the government into making bad choices. Thailand doesn't have to be idiotic like the US/Eur/UK, but greed is international and it will cause poor decisions to be made just as they were in the west.. 

[kiwikeith]

10 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

The wording is "reconsider" not advising "not to travel" per se.

thanks for that ,cheers

[Chiang Mai Bill]

21 hours ago, overt2016 said:

At last someone with sense!!!!

Not sure about that! Although he is a "specialist" within the respiratory disease and tuberculosis areas -- and the virus affects the respiratory system -- and he will also have a ''degree'' of knowledge in virology -- he is obviously not keeping up with the data in the "wide world" outside the LoS!

 

1.  By suggesting that the one-week lockdown would be purely for Bangkok he ignores many of the cases "outside" the capital! (But perhaps he was misquoted and instead of Bangkok he meant the whole country?)

 

2.  "One week" is a totally inadequate time to curtail the spread of this virus! The incubation period can be more than a week, the initial symptoms of the virus can take almost a week -- and much of the Thai public are, not unkindly, naive, poorly educated, and many are suffering financially and given the chance to earn some money will break the lockdown and, possibly, continue to spread the virus.

 

It is a great shame that such a large (and previously wealthy) country is led by politicians who proved incapable of making the necessary pandemic decisions during 2020 -- when they ignored what was happening outside their country; they have ignored their people medically and financially assuming that the virus wouldn't come to Thailand -- after (perhaps) taking the advice of "medical specialists" who maintain -- even now -- that the virus can be contained if the "capital" is locked down for "one week"!

 

What a great shame -- for the people of Thailand!

 

21 hours ago, overt2016 said:

At last someone with sense!!!!

 

[Nanaplaza666]

4 hours ago, British Bulldog said:

Ha ! The writings on the walls so to speak (and the media of course) ... we in Laos simply locked down, and the Thai Government didn't now see the difference ... funny though, I cannot ever recall anybody media or otherwise, saying the virus came from Laos ... especially with such low numbers that we had !

Maybe not but i geuss you understand i mean the fingerpointing that's going on and the blame game . Maybe here they blame the burmese or the dirty farang but they all blame someome . And i do believe that covid is some kind of flu maybe stronger but still . And did they ever try to find out wich country the flu came from and started blaming other countries for bringing in the flu , or was it just there ?? When covid came the WHO said that the flu was suddenly gone ???????? geuss they cannot explain that also . 

[Fairynuff]

22 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

Seven days, then seven weeks then seven months. 
 

Lockdowns don’t work. 

 

Stop this nonsense now and open the world.

So what would you do? Just let it run riot like it did/is doing  in the US, India, Brazil?

Edited June 24, 2021 by Fairynuff

[Skeptic7]

I suggest he go "jab" himself! ????

[Fairynuff]

12 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I agree. 

lockdown, cases fall, open, cases rise, 

lockdown, cases fall, open, cases rise, 

lockdown, cases fall, open, cases rise, 

lockdown, cases fall, open, cases rise, 

................

Some point you have to take the risk and run with it, BUT, I get the feeling they cannot say lockdowns don't work as they would be opening up to claims of mishandling and destroying the economy needlessly.

 

I'm just waiting for Boris to say July 19th 'freedom day' wont happen and give it another 2 months

With a 60,000 football crowd and 2500 “VIPs” from overseas without any restrictions you’re right about Johnson, I’m just not sure who he’ll blame 

[metisdead]

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[British Bulldog]

2 hours ago, samtam said:

 

Lockdowns only work if they are properly defined, and the measures implemented are critically thought through. Has anyone in the CCSA ever said what they mean by lockdown?

 

Closing parks, opening shopping malls. Closing condo exercise facilities, opening nail salons, closing massages, allowing foot massages. Hospitalising asymptomatic people, not testing unless symptomatic. It's all completely illogical. With no intelligent, well thought out policy by experts, not politicians, this mess will roll on and on, unlike a properly sourced vaccination programme, which has barely rolled out.

Yes ... I feel sorry for you guys down there ... an undeveloped Country like Laos has been vaccinating people for months now, Foreigners and Lao people treated as one, no preferences, we even had the right to chose what vaccine we wanted, with some centers having 3 rows for AZ, Sinopharm, Pfizer, people like myself have had both 1st and 2nd AZ doses which are 3 months apart ! What's happening in Thailand just amazes us !

[samtam]

Just now, British Bulldog said:

Yes ... I feel sorry for you guys down there ... an undeveloped Country like Laos has been vaccinating people for months now, Foreigners and Lao people treated as one, no preferences, we even had the right to chose what vaccine we wanted, with some centers having 3 rows for AZ, Sinopharm, Pfizer, people like myself have had both 1st and 2nd AZ doses which are 3 months apart ! What's happening in Thailand just amazes us !

 

That's why it's TAT tagline is "Amazing Thailand"????

[NeoDinosaw]

21 hours ago, Pravda said:

Prominent, Well Known, Leading, Distinguished, Knighted, Master, Captain, Commander, General, Overseer......

Putin ?

[rabang]

7 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Talking of nonsense, lets start with your statement 'Lockdowns don’t work'.

 

There are plenty of studies around modelling the huge amounts of deaths that would have occured without lockdowns, with the enclosed estimating some 3 million more deaths in just 11 European countries. 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/06/09/872441984/modelers-suggest-pandemic-lockdowns-saved-millions-from-dying-of-covid-19

 

Worldwide the numbers increase dramatically with some models predicting 40 million dead. That's Spanish Flu numbers. 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid19-model-predicts-40-million-people-could-die-without-interventions-2020-3

 

So no, lockdowns do work. Obviously.

 

I can't take seriously any modelling anymore because some of the ones there were last year were totally out of touch with reality and what happened eventually. Their predictions were something like 10x worse than what happened. I wonder when is the price of collateral damage going to be bigger than the supposed gain of lockdowns. Are the lockdown proponents happy with the next decade with ever recurring lockdowns?

[ukrules]

6 hours ago, Kaopad999 said:

They will never be able to vaccinate 'the whole population' there will  always be people who do not feel the need to be vaccinated. 
All they need to do, is vaccinate those who wish to do so. Once complete, then  open things back up and continue and normal. 

 

Yes, that's what people mean when they say vaccinate the whole population - it's always referring to those who want it.

 

There is no actual need to vaccinate every single person for various reasons which if they ever attempted to do so would become obvious as they reach the 70 to 80% mark - there would generally be no disease spreading around after that point.

 

[metisdead]

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[3NUMBAS]

8 hours ago, Henryford said:

The UK has been locked down for 15 months, and now vaccinated. Still has 11,000 cases a day.

half of the cases didnt have a good jab ,vacine anti vaxers are dying galore

[superal]

On 6/23/2021 at 11:11 AM, RandolphGB said:

Seven days, then seven weeks then seven months. 
 

Lockdowns don’t work. 

 

Stop this nonsense now and open the world.

Lockdowns worked in China where you must stay in your house unless you had a permit for shopping , any non compliance i.e. outside without permission , you were shot. So lockdowns do work .

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, superal said:

Lockdowns worked in China where you must stay in your house unless you had a permit for shopping , any non compliance i.e. outside without permission , you were shot. So lockdowns do work .

Yes. I doubt even this Thai government would be able to impose such Chinese-style draconian measures. Thankfully.

[superal]

19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Yes. I doubt even this Thai government would be able to impose such Chinese-style draconian measures. Thankfully.

OK , I was OTP (over the top ) with my Chinese comment . What I find so disappointing with the Thai covid management is that there ain't none . There is unregulated inter provincial travel where delivery transport span the country and mingle with families in main route gas station 7-11 s with a perfect storm to spread the virus nationwide . Maybe 50 % compliance with social distancing / mask wearing .  Signing into local supermarket trace info books ? I have even seen people pretending to write their details but write nothing , take their temperature and no gel to their hands . Often the sign in station is not attended by an employee . Local markets operate without any regard to covid mitigation . Never seen or heard of any covid testing up in Issan .  The Thai government speak a lot but not much action , are not financially supporting the folks who were employed in the entertainment / hotel / bar   sectors  . There are little if any national TV statements on  covid instructions by the Thai ministry of Health .  Little if any vaccine procurement .

Apathy rules sorry to say .  If the Delta variant kicks off same as India there will be major problems .

[unblocktheplanet]

Too short, and way, way too late. Why didn't these docs speak up en masse before Phra Yut opened up Songkran for Covid???

[richthai]

Ok, a little math.  Thailand total population at 69Million, and roughly 59Million are over the age of 12.  Add 3Million foreigners (expats and foreign workers) = 62M that need 2 doses of vaccine.  Thailand needs 124M doses (assuming zero is wasted and none are used for booster shots!)  7M jabs so far, leaving 117M jabs to go.  Assume all get vaccinated by end of March, 2022.  That's roughly 275 days from now (24 June) - which is optimistic.  Thailand needs to average 425,000 jabs per day to make that happen.  (Figures are rough).

 

Point: this may take a lot longer to achieve full vaccination.  

[brewsterbudgen]

11 minutes ago, richthai said:

Ok, a little math.  Thailand total population at 69Million, and roughly 59Million are over the age of 12.  Add 3Million foreigners (expats and foreign workers) = 62M that need 2 doses of vaccine.  Thailand needs 124M doses (assuming zero is wasted and none are used for booster shots!)  7M jabs so far, leaving 117M jabs to go.  Assume all get vaccinated by end of March, 2022.  That's roughly 275 days from now (24 June) - which is optimistic.  Thailand needs to average 425,000 jabs per day to make that happen.  (Figures are rough).

 

Point: this may take a lot longer to achieve full vaccination.  

I'm not sure that full vaccination is realistic anywhere.  In any case, new variants will continue to appear, so it's likely that even those who are vaccinated will need to get it done again.

[zhounan]

Why only one week, I suggest prominent doc-star to suggest lockdown until October, when the new version will be launched.

[VBF]

On 6/24/2021 at 4:34 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

I'm not sure that full vaccination is realistic anywhere.  In any case, new variants will continue to appear, so it's likely that even those who are vaccinated will need to get it done again.

Except that most of the vaxxes are at least some help against all current variants  and it is likely that they will be of some help against future variants..

So while your comment may be partially true, when you talk about full vaccination, "something is better than nothing" don't you think?

[jacko45k]

On 6/24/2021 at 9:54 AM, Taco said:

This doctor hasn’t been laid in months and he is trying to put other people through his normal 7 day hand grind. Boo hoo on you. How about pushing your government to get vaccines that actually work. 

You think he has the weight to push with.?.... (I was going to say 'the immovable object', but in reality they change direction often, so hardly true). 

Edited June 26, 2021 by jacko45k

[brewsterbudgen]

16 hours ago, VBF said:

Except that most of the vaxxes are at least some help against all current variants  and it is likely that they will be of some help against future variants..

So while your comment may be partially true, when you talk about full vaccination, "something is better than nothing" don't you think?

Absolutely.

[johnnybangkok]

On 6/24/2021 at 5:19 PM, rabang said:

I can't take seriously any modelling anymore because some of the ones there were last year were totally out of touch with reality and what happened eventually. Their predictions were something like 10x worse than what happened. I wonder when is the price of collateral damage going to be bigger than the supposed gain of lockdowns. Are the lockdown proponents happy with the next decade with ever recurring lockdowns?

Firstly, no one is talking about “the next decade with ever recurring lockdowns “   Once herd immunities is reached throughout the world then the need for lockdowns will dissipate. You are already seeing that in the UK, US and many other countries. 
Secondly, the question of just how many more would have died is mostly irrelevant as I think we can all agree it would have been significant.  The current death toll stands at just under 4 million. Even a massively optimistic figure of twice as many deaths without lockdown would have meant another 4 million, 3 times, another 8 million.  I would suggest that any current “collateral damage” pales into insignificance compared to the deaths of another 4 or 8 or 12, million people,  
The fact is that lockdowns significantly reduced worldwide deaths and no matter what the economic costs (and I’m not belittling the struggle of the many who are suffering), it was the only course of action available to increasingly desperate governments throughout the world. 

Edited June 27, 2021 by johnnybangkok