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It seems, the older I get, the more I dwell on things. I used to dwell on trivial things like "the meaning of life" and such meaningless things. But lately, I have turned my attention to more

KannikaP
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73 years old, never been to a gym or a hospital in my life (except for the snip!) I just get on with what I have to do, up & down stairs, dog walk for 500 metres each day. Moderate drinker, u

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The time spent exercising is probably the same amount of time you will extend your life by.  is there any real point in it.  LOL

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During previous life in Oz, then 2 decades in Hong Kong,  the CLIMATE  was conducive to outdoor activities.....walking, hiking, swimming, tennis etc.

But now at 70 in Thailand it's just too hot and humid to do it. Unless you live by the sea (many hours of boring driving from Pathum Thani !). 

Even gardening or house repairs are a drag. 

Will stick with going. up and down the stairs !

Two best friends died of cancer in their early 60s....one an airline pilot....neither smoked, and moderate social drinkers. A

What will be will be !

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On 7/1/2021 at 11:50 PM, swissie said:

Looking at the Rabbit/Turtle/Churchill situation, I am tempted to conclude that the "Exercise-Thing" is overrated and the "Gene-Thing" is underrated.
What to do? Best do nothing. When the final curtain falls, nobody at the entrance of "the pearly-gates" is likely to ask us of how many carrots or steaks we ate during our lifetime.

Whether exercise is beneficial or not can't be determined from some silly fantasy about what someone at the pearly gates will be asking. Turtles vs. rabbits, irrelevant. You know this.

 

TVF Life Coaches, however, typically claim that both diet (Throwing caution to the wind and b u g g e r the diet – How about you)  and exercise are about longevity. That's to avoid having to do either on the excuse that greater longevity must inevitably lead to more miserable years in a bedsit at the end of life.

 

So then the avoid-the-bedsit goal must be to live a short but happy life. That means no dieting or exercise like the unhappy, stressed out people do. It means, according to the juvenile mentality here, eating all the junk you want, staying drunk as much as possible, smoking at least a pack a day, enjoying as many recreational drugs as possible, and sh.a.gging 3 women a day. After all the happiness, you then suddenly drop dead at say age 60 and that's IT. You've had a life well lived.

 

The sudden disappearances of so many forum members yearly may attest to the success of this philosophy. But the posts on the Health forum don't. Why is that? What happened to all the little jokes, bravado, and fatalism? There's no "I had all me ciggies, lager, proper pork scratchings, cake 'n' ice cream; no docs for me, I'm outta here!" No. Nothing but worries about chronic diseases, docs, meds, hospitals, money and--pain and misery. Many guys in their 50s and 60s. WOT?

 

Turns out that TVF Life Coaching is more likely to lead to an early onset of some typical chronic disease to suffer with and then an earlier retirement to the bedsit and a greater percentage of your total years spent there fighting the diseases you've acquired during your "happy" years. 

 

So the contention that a healthy diet and exercise is about longevity primarily is merely a red herring to excuse laziness and weakness. It's mostly about maximizing the probability of postponing chronic diseases and feeling good now and for as far into the future as possible: healthspan. Study up on compression of morbidity. Why struggle decades with, say, heart disease when you can postpone it to the last few months?


Perhaps Mark Baker will be inspiring. I like his style:

 

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. . . make sure you keep healthy, because health is your supreme asset. If you’re ill your life is f**ked. Most people don’t become ill for no reason; it’s the consequence of being a w.a.nker, not caring about their physical condition or what they eat. Your life is f**ked anyway because you’re going to die; but don’t accelerate the d.a.mn process! Leave that to the morons who blame their genetics or hormones for their illnesses. Keep strong, build muscle, face physical tests and challenges.

     --Gang Fit (Part 2)

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5 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Fit people dont live longer, less if super fit. Worn out. Like a car. Running kms shortens your life.

Study of a high physical exercise cohort compared with community controls over more than 20 years showed that disability at age 80 years had been postponed by nearly 16 years while mortality had been postponed about 7 years in the exercise cohort as opposed to controls. A similar study compared three groups of university alumni divided at baseline into cohorts with zero, one, or two/three major risk factors out of exercise, weight, and tobacco use and followed from age 69 to almost 90 years of age. The zero initial risk factor cohort postponed morbidity by 10 years and mortality by 3.3 years compared to high risk. The differences increased over time, occurred in all subgroups, and persisted after statistical adjustment.

 

    --“On the Compression of Morbidity: From 1980 to 2015 and Beyond.” Handbook of the Biology of Aging, Jan. 2016, pp. 507–24. www.sciencedirect.com, doi:10.1016/B978-0-12-411596-5.00019-8.

 

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Running can shorten your life, according to The Wall Street Journal. The newspaper says new research shows that over time, people who run more than 32 to 40 kilometres per week lose the longevity benefits of exercise as the activity wears on the heart.

"Running too fast, too far and for too many years may speed one's progress toward the finish line of life," the newspaper quotes an upcoming editorial in the British journal Heart, which highlights a second large-scale study that found people who run faster than 12 kilometres an hour won't increase their longevity, while slower runners gain significant mortality benefits.

"Chronic extreme exercise appears to cause excessive 'wear-and-tear' on the heart," it said.

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Running can shorten your life, according to The Wall Street Journal. The newspaper says new research shows that over time, people who run more than 32 to 40 kilometres per week lose the longevity benefits of exercise as the activity wears on the heart.

"Running too fast, too far and for too many years may speed one's progress toward the finish line of life," the newspaper quotes an upcoming editorial in the British journal Heart, which highlights a second large-scale study that found people who run faster than 12 kilometres an hour won't increase their longevity, while slower runners gain significant mortality benefits.

"Chronic extreme exercise appears to cause excessive 'wear-and-tear' on the heart," it said.

"Chronic extreme exercise." Not your assertion to which I responded. So a moving of the goalpost typical of specious argument.

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Not Wiki. Gibberish. Anyone can write stuff there.

Or rather, here. So refute the sources cited:

 

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Or rather, here. So refute the sources cited:

 

Cherry picking. And smoking? Hmm

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1 minute ago, Sparktrader said:

Reality. Exercise overrated. Nutrition works best for health anyway. Long life mostly due to genes and diet.

I'll take both, thank you. My numbers are all lookin' good. Good luck w/ genes.

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Speak for yourself. Smoking--Duh. You've missed the point.

Off topic. Data says about avg when young adult move to chubby later live longest.

 

So anymore than basic exercise a waste.

 

So hardcore exercise a waste of time and may shorten life.

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Off topic. Data says about avg when young adult move to chubby later live longest.

 

So anymore than basic exercise a waste.

 

So hardcore exercise a waste of time and may shorten life.

Quite on topic, seems off topic because you don't understand the point.

 

Your original point to which I responded wasn't "hardcore" OR "extreme." Off topic.

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