Thai doctors’ group submits petition to Parliament calling for mRNA vaccines

[snoop1130]

 

A group of doctors, who call themselves “Mor Mai Thon” (Doctors won’t take it anymore) submitted its petition, bearing 215,409 signatures collected on change.org, to Thailand’s House of Representatives today (Wednesday), calling for mRNA vaccines to be the main type administered in Thailand for free, as well as for transparency in the government procurement processes.

 

The group, including other affiliated medical personnel, wore black in a gesture bidding farewell to those who have died from the coronavirus, with MPs from the ruling Palang Pracharat Party, the fellow government coalition Democrat party and opposition Pheu Thai and Move Forward parties receiving the petition.

 

Saying mRNA vaccines, which include Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, have higher efficacy, especially against new variants and in their significant ability to reduce severe cases and deaths from the virus, the group said they should be the main types used for mass inoculations, in light of the more transmissible Delta variant, which is expected to dominate COVID-19 cases in Thailand in the next 8 weeks.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-doctors-group-submits-petition-to-parliament-calling-for-mrna-vaccines/

 

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[misterjames]

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“Mor Mai Thon” (Doctors won’t take it anymore) 

Time to listen to the experts, and do the right thing for the Thai people.

 

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mRNA vaccines, which include Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna, have higher efficacy

Maximum respect to these doctors for speaking out and pointing this fact out.

[RotBenz8888]

58 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Doctors won’t take it anymore

But Anutin is above all those doctors and has everything under control. You don't need an MD degree, just a smug face. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, misterjames said:

Time to listen to the experts, and do the right thing for the Thai people.

 

Maximum respect to these doctors for speaking out and pointing this fact out.

The government has its own bought and paid for "experts" and I doubt that they will give more than lip service to the people who are in the front line day after day.

[misterjames]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

The government has its own bought and paid for "experts" and I doubt that they will give more than lip service to the people who are in the front line day after day.

I agree but from what I'm seeing it's not just the front line Doctors saying this, a good majority of the Thai population seem fully aware of Sinovac being less effective, they don't want the Chinese jab from what I see and are outraged by this whole Sinovac situation.  

 

I think it's possible the Thai people will not accept lip service in this case. 

 

[placeholder]

Well, they can demand that the govt purchase mRNA vaccines all they like. But unless they know of a currently available supply of them, what do they expect to happen?

Edited July 7, 2021 by placeholder

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Well, they can demand that the govt purchase mRNA vaccines

They are that's what this post is about.

 

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

what do they expect to happen?

They expect them to order some mRNA vaccines.

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, misterjames said:

They are that's what this post is about.

 

They expect them to order some mRNA vaccines.

They can demand and expect all they like. The fact is there are no supplies that will be available for a good long while. Most reports say not until next year.

[misterjames]

Just now, placeholder said:

They can demand and expect all they like. 

They are.

 

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

The fact is there are no supplies that will be available for a good long while. Most reports say not until next year.

Most reports don't make it a fact besides this is what they are angry about they should have ordered quality mRNA vaccines in the first place instead of that Chinese rubbish.

[placeholder]

20 minutes ago, misterjames said:

They are.

 

Most reports don't make it a fact besides this is what they are angry about they should have ordered quality mRNA vaccines in the first place instead of that Chinese rubbish.

Just because the mRNA vaccines are superior to Sinovac' vaccine, that doesn't make it rubbish. It has provided very strong protections against hospitalizations and death.

Sinovac shot controlled COVID in Brazil town after 75% covered

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sinovac-shot-controlled-covid-in-brazil-town-after-75-covered-1.1610843

[djayz]

These are the kinds of people who should be the true leaders of this country. 

[misterjames]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

the mRNA vaccines are superior to Sinovac

Nice to finally see you admit that.

 

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It has provided very strong protections against hospitalizations and death.

Here we go again, listen for a start if you read the OP you would see that they are talking about the DELTA VARIANT

 

I've noticed you spam the same stuff on every post that mentions Sinovac the figures shown in this article doesn't even reflect the results found by the WHO official study on the original variant which were far lower percentages than the post you provide in that dubious post.

 

I know it's complicated with all the variants etc but try to stay on topic.

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by misterjames

[placeholder]

Just now, misterjames said:

Nice to finally see you admit that.

 

Here we go again, listen for a start if you read the OP you would see that they are talking about the DELTA VARIANT

you spam the same stuff on every post that mentions sinovac the figures shown in this article don't even reflect the results found by the WHO on the original variant.

 

Try to stay on topic.

Right now, there are yet to be studies of how well Sinovac performs against the delta variant. Indonesia is often cited as proof the sinovac is ineffective against covid 19. The evidence, such as it is, does not support that. Less effective, yes. Although it is  less effective than mRNA vaccines, that doesn't mean it is ineffective. Given that there is no alternative currently on offer, you go with what you've got.

[misterjames]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Indonesia is often cited as proof the sinovac is ineffective against covid 19. The evidence, such as it is, does not support that. 

Do you have a credible source to the said evidence? (should always try to include one when making claims like this)

 

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Given that there is no alternative currently on offer, you go with what you've got.

This whole post is about Doctors and nearly quarter of a million Thai people that signed a petition (probably millions more that agree but didn't sign) these people are demanding that an mRNA alternate is sourced for the Thai people in preparedness for the inevitable DELTA outbreak.

 

The Thai people have a human right to decide what they put into their body, they don't have to simply go with Sinovac because it suits you or anyone else.

 

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by misterjames

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, misterjames said:

The Thai people have a human right to decide what they put into their body, they don't have to simply go with Sinovac because it suits you or anyone else.

I think he's saying they need to go with Sinovac because that's all they can get in a reasonable timeframe.  It would have been nice had Thailand ordered enough of "the good stuff".   But they didn't.  And if they order it now, thousands of people will die waiting for it.  Sinovac, though not the best, would save hundreds, maybe even thousands of them.

 

And it's not as if they're mutually exclusive.  People can take Sinovac today for whatever protection it affords, while waiting for "the good stuff".

 

[misterjames]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

It would have been nice had Thailand ordered enough of "the good stuff".   But they didn't.  And if they order it now, thousands of people will die waiting for it.  Sinovac, though not the best, would save hundreds, maybe even thousands of them.

This is why the people are angry they should have ordered the better stuff to begin with as you say instead of cosying up to the Chinese.

 

Ultimately the Thai people don't want Sinovac that much is clear and if they choose not to put it into their body that's their choice, it's not their fault that the powers that be ordered tons of Sinovac that the people don't want is it?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, misterjames said:

This is why the people are angry they should have ordered the better stuff to begin with as you say instead of cosying up to the Chinese.

 

Ultimately the Thai people don't want Sinovac that much is clear and if they choose not to put it into their body that's their choice, it's not their fault that the powers that be ordered tons of Sinovac that the people don't want is it?

Is the Thai govt having a problem finding Thais willing to be vaccinated with it? Let's wait a little longer to see if demand subsides. That said, I have no doubt that most Thais would prefer mRNA vaccines. Given the increased transmissiblity of the delta variant, it seems a risky choice to wait. Although unless the govt gets a large supply of vaccine from somewhere posthaste, it doesn't look like Sinovac is going to do much to stop transmission.

[misterjames]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is the Thai govt having a problem finding Thais willing to be vaccinated with it?

Well nearly quarter of a million signatures on change.org from Thai people would suggest they are. Also looking at my facebook timeline the overall impression I'm getting is that none of the Thai's want it and are outraged.

 

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I have no doubt that most Thais would prefer mRNA vaccines. 

Agreed.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

it doesn't look like Sinovac is going to do much to stop transmission.

I agree with you here too.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Just because the mRNA vaccines are superior to Sinovac' vaccine, that doesn't make it rubbish. It has provided very strong protections against hospitalizations and death.

Sinovac shot controlled COVID in Brazil town after 75% covered

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sinovac-shot-controlled-covid-in-brazil-town-after-75-covered-1.1610843

That news is already 6 weeks old and vaccinating 45,000 people is easy as you only need perhaps 100,000 doses.

 

Compare that to the Thai population of say 60,000,000 you will need 120,000,000 doses as a minimum.

 

The logistics of transporting and storing the doses alone will be a huge task, let alone vaccinating the people. One way to transport the vaccines would be to use the existing companies, Kerry, Flash etc who could bulk deliver to a major town or city and then the local delivery guys can deliver to the hospitals, clinics etc.

 

They could also use the Post Office long distance delivery trucks as well. Between them the delivery teams could deliver to a hospital or clinic near you within 48 hours of issue.

[impulse]

54 minutes ago, misterjames said:

Well nearly quarter of a million signatures on change.org from Thai people would suggest they are. Also looking at my facebook timeline the overall impression I'm getting is that none of the Thai's want it and are outraged.

Perhaps none of the Thais prefer it.  They'd rather have "the good stuff".  But that's not an option for months and months since adequate quantities are not even on order, much less on the shelf.   So while they may prefer a different vaccine, they want whatever they can get that may save Grandma.

 

If the choice comes down to Sinovac or nothing, they'll either accept the Sinovac or they'll get nothing.  And sadly, that is the situation for the next few months.  It offers some protection while they're waiting on "the good stuff".  Maybe save 1/2 of the people who would have otherwise died while waiting for their preferred vaccine. 

My forecast is, just like the USA, eventually Thai people will be able to walk in and get the vaccine they choose.  Then they can fortify their Sinovac with a booster of their preferred vaccine.  But that's months, maybe years away in Thailand.

 

[misterjames]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

So while they may prefer a different vaccine, they want whatever they can get

I guess neither of us can speak for the Thai people but the impression I get via my contacts is that they don't want it at all.

 

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

If the choice comes down to Sinovac or nothing, they'll either accept the Sinovac or they'll get nothing.

I suspect based on what I'm seeing and hearing that a fair majority would rather nothing. Hence the protesting for a more efficient vaccine as we are seeing in the OP .

 

Personally I would rather take my chances and wait than take Sinovac myself so I fully understand if the Thai people feel the same way.

 

[riclag]

Me thinks that these people from that activist group has a snowball chance in hell of changing the minds of the one's who are running the Govt. covid response !

Best case scenario  is to immediately shut down the country for 2 weeks while getting the medical staff boosters

Edited July 7, 2021 by riclag

[RichardColeman]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

Just because the mRNA vaccines are superior to Sinovac' vaccine, that doesn't make it rubbish. It has provided very strong protections against hospitalizations and death.

Sinovac shot controlled COVID in Brazil town after 75% covered

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/sinovac-shot-controlled-covid-in-brazil-town-after-75-covered-1.1610843

Crazy link - why on earth would you believe a study done by the people who are the subcontractors for Sinovac ? Absolute lunacy to believe anything spouted by a contractor for a product - it's just a sales pitch !

 

Your link - "The study was led by the Butantan Institute, which produces Sinovac’s so-called CoronaVac in Brazil. "

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

A group of doctors, who call themselves “Mor Mai Thon” (Doctors won’t take it anymore) submitted its petition, bearing 215,409 signatures collected on change.org, to Thailand’s House of Representatives today (Wednesday), calling for mRNA vaccines to be the main type administered in Thailand for free, as well as for transparency in the government procurement processes.

So many people now openly calling out Prayut & Anutin... this is about to blow-up big time, especially if the infected numbers & deaths rise to crazy levels.

The people have been lied to by the government and now the medical fraternity are saying enough is enough.

[hotchilli]

9 hours ago, riclag said:

Me thinks that these people from that activist group has a snowball chance in hell of changing the minds of the one's who are running the Govt. covid response !

Best case scenario  is to immediately shut down the country for 2 weeks while getting the medical staff boosters

Boosters from where... they haven't got any that work.

[law ling]

So, will the government this afternoon order (as in actually sign a contract) for 120 million doses of the good stuff? (even though delivery mightn't be for a year) ... I doubt it ... so then what's the doctors' next move? ... nothing ... because we're all just pawns trapped in the Czar's cage.

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Crazy link - why on earth would you believe a study done by the people who are the subcontractors for Sinovac ? Absolute lunacy to believe anything spouted by a contractor for a product - it's just a sales pitch !

 

Your link - "The study was led by the Butantan Institute, which produces Sinovac’s so-called CoronaVac in Brazil. "

 Well, for one thing, these are the same people who reported 51% efficacy for Sinovac. I can't imagine Sinovac was pleased with that.

And the Butantan institute is widely respected and huge organization with an excellent history of achievement. It doesn't depend on the Chinese Govt.

Instituto Butantan (in modern Portuguese, Instituto Butantã,^[1] pronounced [ĩʃtʃiˈtutu butɐ̃ˈtɐ̃]) is a Brazilian biologic research center located in Butantã, in the western part of the city of São Paulo, Brazil. Instituto Butantan is a public institution affiliated with the São Paulo State Secretariat of Health and considered one of the major scientific centers in the world.^[2] Butantan is the largest immunobiologicals and biopharmaceuticals producer in Latin America (and one of the largest in the world). 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instituto_Butantan

 

And finally, there have been  reporters who have personally gone there to assess the situation for themselves. 

[malibukid]

16 hours ago, impulse said:

I think he's saying they need to go with Sinovac because that's all they can get in a reasonable timeframe.  It would have been nice had Thailand ordered enough of "the good stuff".   But they didn't.  And if they order it now, thousands of people will die waiting for it.  Sinovac, though not the best, would save hundreds, maybe even thousands of them.

 

And it's not as if they're mutually exclusive.  People can take Sinovac today for whatever protection it affords, while waiting for "the good stuff".

 

Thailand saw an opportunity to make a fast baht and made a calculated decision by not signing onto Covax.  and cozing up to big brother at the same time.  profit before human life.  whatever vaccine, this caused a delay in available vaccine that Thailand could have acquired in a timely manner  we all know who calls the shots here, pun intended

Edited July 8, 2021 by malibukid

[BusyB]

18 hours ago, placeholder said:

They can demand and expect all they like. The fact is there are no supplies that will be available for a good long while. Most reports say not until next year.

They can still, finally, at long long last get their backsides into the queue ...

[placnx]

17 hours ago, placeholder said:

Right now, there are yet to be studies of how well Sinovac performs against the delta variant. Indonesia is often cited as proof the sinovac is ineffective against covid 19. The evidence, such as it is, does not support that. Less effective, yes. Although it is  less effective than mRNA vaccines, that doesn't mean it is ineffective. Given that there is no alternative currently on offer, you go with what you've got.

There are two public health goals with vaccination in this pandemic: 1) keeping the health care system from being overwhelmed by limiting hospitalizations; 2) preventing infections, especially the breakthrough type where the infected pass a possibly more infectious variant to others. If the world is largely vaccinated with a single underperforming vaccine, the risk is that those people can be reinfected unless they get boosters of an updated (mRNA) vaccine.

 

In the current context a good strategy could be to keep an eagle eye on the vaccines nearing EUA and insist that government commit to approving mRNA and similar promptly after EUA in EU, UK, ot US, then put in an order. Covering 70%+ of the Thai population with already approved mRNA vaccines any time soon is hard to imagine, even only a single dose booster.