Hundreds of Thai medical workers infected despite Sinovac vaccinations

[EricTh]

6 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

It might be junk but none of them necessarily prevent infection including the ‘great’ Pfizer which we now hear can cause heart issues.
 

 Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57781637

 

Pfizer is also less effective against the Delta variant. Israel had most of its population vaccinated with Pfizer in the past.

 

If Pfizer is so effective, why did they need a third booster shot?

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-07-11/israel-offers-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shots-to-adults-at-risk

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by EricTh

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2 hours ago, wasabi said:

The only good thing to come out of this pandemic from our paranoid and xenophobic friends in Thailand is that it started in China. Can you imagine the racism, and hatred they would have for "Farang" if it started in any Western country?

You must really be hungry to feel aggrieved  to come up with this hypothetical nonsense.  Obsessed much?

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

As usual in Thailand, near enough is good enough. Except this time they are playing with people's lives.

Agree that Thailand should do better. Matter of perspective. Even the best vaccinated countries like UAE, UK, USA and Israel are reeling from rising infections mostly from new variants like Delta. These countries vaccinated with Pfizer, AZ and Moderna. Let's hope the Thai government can mobilized all their resources efficently and manage the surging cases effectively. 

[gearbox]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If that were the case, the world would have long since stopped running. China accounts for roughly 30% of the world's manufacturing output. 

https://howmuch.net/articles/map-worlds-manufacturing-output

 

Takes a bit of time to figure out where Australia is...

[BananaGuy]

Bummer when your dealer sells you a bad batch eh?

 

Rhetorical question (the answer probably ‘Not likely’) but will this make the Thai government reassess who their friends are?

I know juntas and autocracies like to clown and joke around together, but at some point you gotta ask … has Winnie really got my best interests at heart?

[Bangkok Barry]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Agree that Thailand should do better. Matter of perspective. Even the best vaccinated countries like UAE, UK, USA and Israel are reeling from rising infections mostly from new variants like Delta. These countries vaccinated with Pfizer, AZ and Moderna. Let's hope the Thai government can mobilized all their resources efficently and manage the surging cases effectively. 

The only thing that the Thai government mobilizes efficiently are water cannons against protesters.

[EricTh]

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Agree that Thailand should do better. Matter of perspective. Even the best vaccinated countries like UAE, UK, USA and Israel are reeling from rising infections mostly from new variants like Delta. These countries vaccinated with Pfizer, AZ and Moderna. Let's hope the Thai government can mobilized all their resources efficently and manage the surging cases effectively. 

 

Unfortunately, there's a lot of propaganda going on against the Chinese vaccines because of prejudice. China use proven inactivated virus technology that has been used for decades in other vaccines produced by western countries. 

 

Is there any unbiased reports to inform the Thai public that also report the surging cases in Israel (Pfizer), India (AZ) due to the Delta variant?

 

All the vaccine producers should come up with a updated version instead to deal with the Delta variant.

Edited July 12, 2021 by EricTh

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1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

It's been known for some time Sinovac is less effective than Western-developed vaccines. That's why the CCP has a massive disinformation campaign going on social media aimed at discrediting AZ etc.

Less effective does not mean it is useless. If Sinovac prevents death, or lessens the severity of symptoms when infected, it is still better than nothing.

I do wonder how they're going to reconcile their campaign against Western vaccines with the fact that they have just ordered about 100 million doses of the Biontech-Pfizer vaccine.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I do wonder how they're going to reconcile their campaign against Western vaccines with the fact that they have just ordered about 100 million doses of the Biontech-Pfizer vaccine.

Aside from that order China are also developing their own (mRNA) vaccine, its in late stage phase 3 trials now

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15 minutes ago, EricTh said:

I am just wondering how the inactivated virus technology that has been used for decades in other vaccines is 'less effective' when it's the same technology.

 

Obviously, it is more prejudice than scientific. 

 

Well, that technology has been very effective against some viruses but not all. And if Sinovac was as effective as the mRNA vaccines, then the Chinese govt has just wasted a lot of cash in purchasing 100 million doses of the Biontech-Pfizer vaccine.

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I do wonder how they're going to reconcile their campaign against Western vaccines with the fact that they have just ordered about 100 million doses of the Biontech-Pfizer vaccine.

Let's not forget that China agreed to have a Chinese drugmaker Shenzhen Kangtai to manufacture Astrazeneca and that was last year. How does that square with China perceived misinformation about Astrazeneca. Some here just spreading misinformation rather than fact. 

[EricTh]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, that technology has been very effective against some viruses but not all. And if Sinovac was as effective as the mRNA vaccines, then the Chinese govt has just wasted a lot of cash in purchasing 100 million doses of the Biontech-Pfizer vaccine.

Just because one private company in China imports Pfizer doesn't prove that it is more effective and have less side effects. We don't know what is the connection between that company and Pfizer. Did Pfizer invest in that company? Is the owner of that company connected to Pfizer? How do you know whether it won't be exported to other countries?

 

There are also private companies in Singapore that import Sinovac, does that mean that Sinovac is more effective than Pfizer using your logic?

 

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by EricTh

[Keesters]

2 hours ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

The virus has. China's longest lasting product EVER. 

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2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Let's not forget that China agreed to have a Chinese drugmaker Shenzhen Kangtai to manufacture Astrazeneca and that was last year. How does that square with China perceived misinformation about Astrazeneca. Some here just spreading misinformation rather than fact. 

It's a good question. You should ask the Chinese govt. But since Astra zeneca is more cheaply priced than sinovac, maybe they want to discourage poorer nations from purchasing that vaccine. 

[elgenon]

Did anyone test to see if the vaccines were genuine and not knockoffs? 

 

I would start there.

[BananaGuy]

6 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

Pfizer is also less effective against the Delta variant. Israel had most of its population vaccinated with Pfizer in the past.

 

If Pfizer is so effective, why did they need a third booster shot?

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-07-11/israel-offers-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shots-to-adults-at-risk

 

I don’t think at this stage anyone ‘needs’ a Pfizer booster.
WHO are still methodically running the numbers but it seems at this stage boosters will only be recommended for the severely compromised such as undergoing cancer treatment or the few who do not react as expected to initial doses. 

 

Pfizer? are pushing the idea somewhat, because they are Pfizer and with an approved product they can promote it. They no doubt have internal numbers to support at least a modest beneficial effect in general population. So why wouldn’t they?

 

Israel? as an early adopter of the Pfizer vaccine and having got a great supply deal from Pfizer in exchange for sharing their national health database, they could be regarded as almost business partners.
At the very least they’ll be keen to retain their position as ‘favoured customer’ to stay at the top of the queue as demand ramps up from wealthier late-adopting nations such as Japan and Australia.

I like to see Israel (under Bibi at least) as one of those social influencers peddling a product for in return for prizes … except in this case, the vaccine didn’t come cheap for Israel (Bibi didn’t care - not his $) and also failed to get him sufficient followers (yippee!).

 

Disclosure: Not a fan of Bibi

 

[BananaGuy]

23 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The only thing that the Thai government mobilizes efficiently are water cannons against protesters.

Should be possible to mix a bit of vaccine into the water tank though. 

[TigerandDog]

4 hours ago, ourmanflint said:

I think we are all very surprised Thailand stuck with Sinovac so long, but what do we know?

Thailand stuck with Sinovac because China has it's claws in so deep, they had no choice.  Watching the Brazil/Argentina Copa America final yesterday it was very noticeable that China has it's claws deeply into Brazil too with all the Sinovac advertising around the perimeter of the field.

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1 minute ago, EricTh said:

Just because one private company in China imports Pfizer doesn't prove that it is more effective and have less side effects. We don't know what is the connection between that company and Pfizer. Did Pfizer invest in that company? Is the owner of that company connected to Pfizer?

 

There are also private companies in Singapore that import Sinovac, does that mean that Sinovac is more effective than Pfizer using your logic?

Actually there is an overwhelming amount of data that shows that Sinovac is less effective than the mRNA vaccines and Astra Zeneca's. That said, it's far better than nothing. And it has the big advantage of being immediately available for purchase. Unlike the mRNA vaccines and Astra Zeneca's.

[BananaGuy]

26 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

 

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[yimlitnoy]

7 hours ago, meechai said:

 

Why is this so surprising & automatically attributed to Sinovac?  Has it not always been known that the vaccine...any vaccine...is not a bullet proof vest?  That you may still contract Covid but "hopefully symptoms will be lessened?

 

Truth is most if not all "regular" folks meaning non Medical workers

probably never get retested for Covid once vaccinated & assume all is well.

 

Even though they could have since caught Covid & were asymptomatic or have lessened symptoms to the point of going unnoticed.  Which in truth makes them Super Spreaders

 

Medical workers on the other hand are probably tested weekly at least so of course so this already known chink in the Armour of ANY vaccine against a constantly changing Covid Virus will be more often shown

Perhaps you are working for China?  You think medical professionals workers do not already know about vaccines?  By the way why China stayed silent about accusations that their vaccine are not protecting people?

Edited July 12, 2021 by yimlitnoy

[MrJ2U]

The government new of front line medics, doctors,vand nurses receiving two doses of Sinovac were contracting COVID-19.  Some very serious and a few dying.  Yet they keep getting more.

The government once toppled needs to be put in jail for life.

 

Instead ordering proven  mRNA vaccines they keep doodling about.  They keep getting behind the line of countries ordering more.

 

They need to ask there friends and CP for a refund for these lousy vaccines and WHO needs to get Sonovac  off the approves vaccine list.  

 

Sinopharm looks like a bad choice also.

 

 

[meechai]

11 minutes ago, yimlitnoy said:

Perhaps you are working for China?  You think medical professionals workers do not already know about vaccines?  By the way why China stayed silent about accusations that their vaccine are not protecting people?

555 yes & perhaps you work for Disneyland? You seem a little Goofy ????

 

1st off...when has China ever said anything about anything?

 

Secondly...perhaps you heard...Covid Viruses mutate dang quickly

Just because someone develops a vaccine to "ease" symptoms of Covid today

does not mean it works on Covid next week/month/year as they could be quite different Covids

 

Nor was it ever promised to "Protect People" from catching it..just ease their symptoms ...hopefully

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by meechai

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

Oh, it does, sometimes, but not for long, sometimes.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, meechai said:

555 yes & perhaps you work for Disneyland? You seem a little Goofy ????

 

1st off...when has China ever said anything about anything?

Secondly...perhaps you heard...Covid Viruses mutate dang quickly

Just because someone develops a vaccine to "ease" symptoms of Covid today

does not mean it works on Covid next week as they could be quite different

 

If what you say is correct, we are in for a lifetime of requiring a new vaccine every few months, are we not?

[wasabi]

Maybe this is why Thailand has no visor big brother is blocking them just like they blocked Taiwan?

 

Reuters: Taiwan's Foxconn, TSMC confirm $350 mln COVID-19 vaccine deal.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwans-foxconn-tsmc-confirm-350-mln-covid-19-vaccine-deal-2021-07-11/

[Bangkok Barry]

19 minutes ago, BananaGuy said:

Should be possible to mix a bit of vaccine into the water tank though. 

There are vaccines?

[meechai]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If what you say is correct, we are in for a lifetime of requiring a new vaccine every few months, are we not?

Yes that is exactly what Pfizer recently told its shareholders...

That basically the future was bright because as always this Pandemic will move to Endemic at some point

 

Yearly boosters same as any Flu Shot for those that want it

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pfizer-covid-vaccine-price-hike-post-pandemic/

 

Quote

comments made by Pfizer executives over the summer, asked how the pharmaceutical company still envisioned pursuing "higher pricing" as "we move from a pandemic to an endemic phase,"

 

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[animalmagic]

4 hours ago, ChipButty said:

So, basically we are back to square one?

I'm not convinced we actually got to square one in the first place!

 

[MrJ2U]

When is that idiot Anutin going to have a press conference and tell the people he made a massive mistake and stop using Sinovac.

 

Some countries are now not recognizing Sinovac as a vaccine for entry, Singapore is one.  

 

He needs not only to be fired but prosecuted for crimes against humanity.