3 months of semi-lockdown required to bring pandemic under control – KKP Research

[rct99q]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

As someone stuck outside of Thailand for 16 months away from the family, I would support this, even though it would mean more time away.

 

BUT.

 

The issue is unless their vaccine program is completely finished by 3 months - and a non  chinese vaccine used -  then it will just explode again on opening and my time away extended further.

 

Tell me I could plan to start coming back without hoops in exactly 6 months and I'd be not exactly happy, but OK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bit off the topic, but how is it your stuck?

 

I was in Canada, and apart from a few minor pieces of paper work the return process was quite easy. This was last July mind you, but still no major issues.

 

[johnarth]

this vaccine pushing bull is causing more trouble than the virus first the Chinese vaccine no good now AstraZeneca is causing trouble Denmark has stopped the use of it and the Australian PM is in trouble cause he told his health board to watch what they do with it and they told him to shut his mouth not a good sign at all, all the info is there it is not good , it is in the Aust. retiree news letter you be lucky to find it anywhere else

[Road Warrior]

is it not time to be aware this is going to be life world wide now onwards ???

[4737 Carlin]

2 hours ago, Box fighter said:

I agree roger, this to me is a full lockdown already in Pattaya unless they close the gas stations then nobody can get about, 

It's a crazy idea but, If they close the gas stations, maybe people could actually use their legs and walk or bicycle to get around in Pattaya ?

[Rimmer]

A misleading post and replies have been removed

[Skeptic7]

34 minutes ago, John Drake said:

I don't know if you live here. But if you do, and things do come unglued, those of us who are foreigners may think we can sit it out. But don't be surprised if while taking so much as a 100 meter walk to the nearest ATM you are robbed and beaten. People desperate for money to pay their rent, find food for their family, or pay their electric bill are going to see you as the natural target. Of course, I could be wrong, and I suppose the police will do everything in their power to protect you.

Live here and stand by what I wrote. Didn't happen in 1997-98 "Tom Yum Goong" Financial Crisis. Was here then too. Besides, will just hire some "muscle" and/or just pay the local "help" to serve and protect, should your unlikely scenario arise. Meanwhile...at the pool sipping my Sang Som! ????

Edited July 23, 2021 by Skeptic7

[Mr Derek]

22 minutes ago, tonray said:

There actually is little evidence of what you say.

They just haven't studied it enough yet. Unintended consequences usually only appear in the longer term and always take the world by surprise. The current Covid response is simply an ill-advised short-cut, because humans love short-cuts.

 

The basic principle is this: anything unnatural, especially when sustained, will have harmful consequences in the long term. All manner of human disasters could have been averted throughout history by paying heed to this simple principle.

 

Wearing a mask most of the day is unnatural. It's prudent and rational to suppose there will very likely be unforeseen long-term consequences. Perhaps subtle and unnoticeable such as memory loss due to anoxia, or much worse such as early onset dementia... Who currently knows? Nobody has studied these things yet and will not be able to do so until well into the future. They are just discovering, for example, that forced isolation is damaging the immune response of children to other diseases.

 

[fredscats]

2 hours ago, phukettrader said:

 still remain open in order to control a disease with a more than 99% survival rate ????

 

Not just the death rate,but its what the disease can impose on you....heart, lungs,kidney ,   anything it invades

[Tonypandy]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

As someone stuck outside of Thailand for 16 months away from the family, I would support this, even though it would mean more time away.

 

BUT.

 

The issue is unless their vaccine program is completely finished by 3 months - and a non  chinese vaccine used -  then it will just explode again on opening and my time away extended further.

 

Tell me I could plan to start coming back without hoops in exactly 6 months and I'd be not exactly happy, but OK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The vaccine won't be completed in 3 months, plus you mention if the Chinese vaccine is not used. Do you think that if non Chinese vaccine is used that then no one well get Covid. Stop dreaming! 

[Tonypandy]

Just now, Tonypandy said:

The vaccine won't be completed in 3 months, plus you mention if the Chinese vaccine is not used. Do you think that if non Chinese vaccine is used that then no one well get Covid. Stop dreaming! 

Not used 

[elgenon]

What? No mention of vaxxing 80%?? Without vaccinations cases will just rise again. An infinite loop.

 

Lock downs with no heavy vaxxing will be fruitless and just <deleted> off the people who will cooperate less and less and get sicker and sicker. Duh.

[Skeptic7]

18 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Live here and stand by what I wrote. Didn't happen in 1997-98 "Tom Yum Goong" Financial Crisis. Was here then too. Besides, will just hire some "muscle" and/or just pay the local "help" to serve and protect, should your unlikely scenario arise. Meanwhile...at the pool sipping my Sang Som! ????

And plenty of lasses around to provide "goods and services"! ????

[Presnock]

2 hours ago, aviator581 said:

So vaccines will solve the problem? Like in the west?  OK. 

problem is in the states and western nations that have vaccines, there are too many idiots running around without getting the FREE and READILY AVAILABLE everywhere including vehicle drive by to one's house.  On top of that, senior Republican figures are not encouraging their followers to get vaccinated as they want to keep the current government in hot water.  Another problem that too many are ignoring is that children under 12 still cannot be vaccinated and since many of their parents and some teachers aren't vaccinated (although some vaccinated still can get the virus) are bringing it home as their parents won't even wear masks outside let alone inside.  Just too many dumb people starting a new WAVE in the US and on top of all this, new variants are forming and some may be able to completely overwhelm the vaccines.

 

[dkg224]

Anyone remember a little over a year ago they all said we needed just a 2 week lockdown to flatten the curve?  2 weeks or what now?  Here we are 1 year and 3 months later still doing lockdowns. 

[John Drake]

34 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

Didn't happen in 1997-98 "Tom Yum Goong" Financial Crisis. Was here then too.

Almost a quarter of a century ago. Time enough for people to have acquired things they want to keep. Even in remote villages. Not to mention, the "remedy" for this emergency is to separate and isolate people, the exact opposite of bringing them together and unifying. Oh, and there is some one missing from the scene today whose presence 25 years ago made a big difference.

[MayPutThai]

13 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

Let your currency float and get value something like 1$ is 45 bth then your export industry go up like rocket. Also you maybe get tourist in country some day in future!

It goes down very slowly meanwhile. I will wait to transfer my money till end of the year or later.

[pattaya1234was]

First we have to have vaccines in the country before anyone can talk about getting 80% vaccinated. There has been precious little vaccinating taking place in Pattaya over the past month and August does not look like being any better, or September. 

[the green light]

they have touched the optmistic side of the down turn.. It is usually worse than predicted.

 

already Toyota closed 3 plants in thailand affecting export. How can the country functioned when there is a lockdown..

 

[Nanaplaza666]

3 hours ago, jacko45k said:

False information.... 

And you know that from what information ???? 

[kennw]

14 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

That's probably what they'll gona go for, semi-lockdown with multiple sandboxes. An experiment bound to fail. 

the real effects of poor management and vaccine rollout are becoming very apparent.

[lks7689]

59 minutes ago, gojdthai2016 said:

Recent study of delta fatality rates after transmission in the uk show fatality rate of .2 to .3 compared to alpha strain of 1.8 to 2 .....180000 cases study in my understanding of maths the likelihood of dying from the delta is between 1 in 500 to I in 333 after being diagnosed with it 

Did the study indicate how many % were unvaccinated versus vaccinated for those numbers indicated? 

[Nanaplaza666]

1 hour ago, shackleton said:

People have been talking endlessly here on the Subject of total vaccination 

For the whole population  no one in Government were listening 

There now should be a restricted lockdown until years end 

Concentrate on getting the vaccination program  on track 

For the whole Country not just your Phuket sandbox ect 

I bet they will not listen to you as well . Restricted lockdown till years end ?? Easy talking for someone that has the money to ride it out , how about the people suffering for.more then a year already and then have to suffer for 6 more months from your idea ?? People have been talking about vaccinating endlessly and yet that's exactly what you want to happen as well vaccinations . So why wait for 6 months with severe conseqeunses and not tell them to get the !@#$ on with it A.S.A.P .

[huangnon]

2 hours ago, roath said:

Also, the figures are based on people getting treatment. If Covid was simply allowed to spread unchecked, hospitals would be overwhelmed, leading to far higher mortality rates. Just look at India as en example, where they have had people dying on the streets outside hospitals. Long covid is also proving a massive problem, leading to people being incapacitated and even blindness. But presumably these covidiots think that that's ok isn't it, even though that's part of the "survival" rate

The people presented to be "dying in the streets" in India from Covid were actually people poisoned from a toxic gas leak, from an industrial plant. Other supposed "victims" were homeless people asleep on streets..

Those little scamps in the mainstream media, eh ?

 

 

https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210506-covid-inde-intox-video-morts-corps-sol-erreur-new-york-post

[Mattd]

When are they going to learn that lockdowns simply do not and will not stop Covid, agreed they slow it down temporarily, as soon as the lockdown is eased it comes back with vengeance.

To date, the only way to stem is vaccination and even this hasn't been around long enough to know if it is truly effective. 

The stark reality is that lockdowns cause a lot of harm, mentally, physically and financially.

The world has to find a more sustainable way forward.

[irwinfc]

just lockdown until the omega alpha-2 variant is controlled.

[Magenta408]

I smell carpet baggers and scallywags. 

[flyfrog]

9 hours ago, KhunMorris said:

This is fantastic news. Best I've heard I'm ages. Well done to all involved.

 

Sincerely 

 

MORRIS 

Ex F1 Test Driver, 1978

You probably dont have a business in Thailand MR. Test driver? Dont care much?

[Dene16]

9 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

One of the main things to bring the pandemic under control,, is NOT a 3 Month lockdown,, but a mass vaccination program, of which this doesn't understand... 

Even if the mass vaccination program materialises it going to come too late.

UK up to 45,000 cases a day from 2,500 a day in the space of about 3/4 weeks.

Admittedly down to the unvaccinated young,  under 20 year olds who think they can still go out partying every week regardless. as the virus does not effect them.

I believe they account for 90% of the infected

[fulhamster]

2 hours ago, strabel23 said:

Lol. The baht has been in free float since 1997. Where have you been?

 

Free float but has hardly moved since 2014

[georgey]

3 hours ago, phukettrader said:

Really? According to the governments figures yesterday, cases = 453,132, deaths = 3,697 = 0.816% of cases

In fact, while it is a pretty pointless argument (given that it is based on numbers which, by definition, are incorrect), that percentage will, in reality, be substantially lower. Deaths are (according to a number of doctors, and also common sense) a bit higher than the reported numbers, how big a "bit" we'll never know. Cases, however, are very much higher (and this applies to just about every country, not unique to TH), but once again we have no idea how much higher (many estimate between 3 and 6 times). What we can deduce, therefore, is that the %age is lower, though not by how much.