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Thailand ranked among the worst countries for internet freedom


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42 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

A friend told me he's still able to enter a few sites

And another "friend" can access pornhub .th  but says pornhub  . com is blocked. How's that for censorship ?  But I wouldn't know

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5 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

porn has never been blocked when accessing through a google search

Xvideos .com (without the space) is blocked but when using 'xvideos .com asian' it takes you to googles search results.

A friend didn't tell me this.????

It seems that only website homepages are blocked. 

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23 minutes ago, internationalism said:

the government can't win this censorship war.

In june the new minister of digital control ordered facebook to shut down accounts of 10 the most prominent opposition figures. Facebook just ignored those requests.  Because of the publicity (all thai mass media carried articles about these requests) hundreds of thousands people actually started to follow those accounts. 

The only the government can do is court order against each post on social media. But it takes weeks before they are deleted and owners of those posts can re-post them, causing double embarrassment.

When the royalist marketplace group on fb was ordered to be geoblocked in thailand, they sprang within seconds and within few weeks doubled their membership (with over 2mln they are one of the largest groups on the entire fb).

It's also known for long, that thai have many accounts on social media and not under their true name. Even easier to be completely anonymous on twitter. You can't really repress when hashtag #rumour on twitter hit 5.3mln in September.

Clearly, self-censorship doesn't work anymore, with people commenting and sharing strictly no-no subjects, including republicanism.

The single gateway did not work to trace the IP's.

The ISOC (internal security operations command) is employing of thousands intelligence officers just to monitor the net and run their hate campaigns. But they are not skilled and every few months there is a scandal showing their involvement. Twitter and fb can track them by algorithms and shut them

Disagree. It could order all Thai gateways (which by law should all be at CAT or whatever TOT+CAT is called now) block IP ranges or domains (which it is already doing for many domains) and make use of VPNs a criminal offense like China. It is not hard to detect VPN tunnels going through your gateways. Those also collect logs which can be analysed by automatic scripts. So if they wanted, all it would take is some investment and training, and they can take full control of your internet connection.

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51 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

While internet freedom is a wonderful concept, I can see how "too much" freedom is not necessarily a wonderful thing.  I can agree that restrictive internet like the way it's practiced in N. Korea is horrible.  But internet freedom as practiced in the USA can have side effects.  Internet in the USA is so massively infected with misinformation, fake news, hate speech, and all manner of <deleted> that a large number of Americans have become brainwashed morons.  Perhaps there's a middle ground.  

It has ever been so - just look at some of the demagogic rallies in the early years of World War 1 in the UK. They featured misinformation, fake news, hate speech, and all manner of bul<deleted>, and were designed to brainwash. 

 

Similar charges were made against the printed media, and later broadcast media ( still are).

 

The internet has just broadened the reach and sped the process up.

 

Control doesn't work, just look at the reach of the "Samizdat underground media" in the Soviet Union and it's Eastern European satellites. Government controll media will inevitably be manipulated.

 

The only safeguard is to rely upon the sense, judgement ant education of the media consumer. In this field I accept, in the USA in particular, there is a major problem. You can't legislate or ban it away if you want any semblance of a free society.

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