Pandemic of the unvaccinated????

[Jeffr2]

35 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

"I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late," 

I can't believe you fall for this nonsense. ????

Sad you think a direct quote from a doctor is nonsense. But I guess that's what anti vaxxers think. Sad times in the world today.

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

I disagree. 

Faith doesn't necessary mean it needs to be tied to a specific religion. 

Personally, I don't think there's any better defense out there than my "god" given immune system. 

Science has proven otherwise.

[lucky2008]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Certainly, we're entitled. And if you keep them to yourself, they will never be criticized. But if you insist on sharing them...

 I thought that's why this thread was started- to criticize the unvaccinated?  

The Pandemic of the unvaccinated????  

[Jeffr2]

32 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

I disagree. 

Faith doesn't necessary mean it needs to be tied to a specific religion. 

Personally, I don't think there's any better defense out there than my "god" given immune system. 

Not very smart people. Many super spreader events were tied to churches.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

[lucky2008]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Science has proven otherwise.

For some people their faith is stronger.   

This is something an atheist would ever understand. 

[placeholder]

36 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

No, not at all. I'm sure dying of Covid is horrific.

Let me rephrase.

The story is a complete fabrication. 
 

First off, you have evidence that it's a "complete fabrication" This person is a actual frontline doctor. Funny, you believe some ivermectin supporting MD's who classify themselves as America's Frontline Doctors but are not but disbelieve an actual frontline doctor? You think it's unlikely that she has dying patients who regret not being vaccinated? Or that she doesn't comfort them? You got any evidence to support your disbelief?Anything apart from your utterly defensive skepticism? In fact, I'll go out on a limb here and say you've got nothing. Feel free to provide evidence to prove me wrong.

 

And as for your evasive answer about it being horrific. It's horrific for all. But for the vast majority of those who die from it, namely the unvaccinated, you think regrets are unlikely? You think they're happy that they made that choice? That it's better to die now than face unforeseeable, unknowable consequences in the future? That getting vaccinated is literally for them a fate worse than death? 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by placeholder

[lucky2008]

11 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not very smart people. Many super spreader events were tied to churches.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

Why do you always post links from CNN? 

Give it a break man. 

If you think that people who put their faith in front of science are not very smart people that's up to you.

I try my best not to bear no ill will against no man.  
 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

I understand.  

Do you think not wanting to get vaccinated because of a persons religious faith is a ridiculous reason? 

When it can have profoundly negative effects on the nonreligious it can. Israel's level of vaccinations has stalled. The number one reason is that the ultraorthodox are refusing to be vaccinated. Their refusal means hospitals get overloaded with patients, endangering the health of those who don't subscribe to their beliefs. When public health and religion collide. it's religion that should get run over.

[placeholder]

46 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

For some people their faith is stronger.   

This is something an atheist would ever understand. 

There are religious issues that are outside the province of science. But vaccination isn't one of them. Why should the scientific community respect the demonstrably false beliefs of people who don't respect science?

Edited September 14, 2021 by placeholder

[placeholder]

14 minutes ago, ebice said:

Unless you are a qualified medical practitioner, or possess qualifications to make the statement above, you should remove your suggestion and refrain from offering unqualified medical advice, suggestions or otherwise!

Especially advice that has the backing of virtually the entire scientific and medical community. Outrageous!

[lucky2008]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

First off, you have evidence that it's a "complete fabrication" This person is a actual frontline doctor. Funny, you believe some ivermectin supporting MD's who classify themselves as America's Frontline Doctors but are not but disbelieve an actual frontline doctor? You think it's unlikely that she has dying patients who regret not being vaccinated? Or that she doesn't comfort them? You got any evidence to support your disbelief?Anything apart from your utterly defensive skepticism? In fact, I'll go out on a limb here and say you've got nothing. Feel free to provide evidence to prove me wrong.

 

And as for your evasive answer about it being horrific. It's horrific for all. But for the vast majority of those who die from it, namely the unvaccinated, you think regrets are unlikely? You think they're happy that they made that choice? That it's better to die now than face unforeseeable, unknowable consequences in the future? That getting vaccinated is literally for them a fate worse than death? 

 

Yeah, she doesn't exist.  Call the hospital and see if you can get her on the line. Say it's an emergency and see what happens. 

I do believe in Ivermectin. I have several work collogues who got infected last year in India and they all survived taking Ivermectin.  I had one friend who passed though, he was given Remdesivir.  Are you referring to Dr. Kory or Dr. Bossche?  

I'm sure some unvaccinated people that die of Covid have regrets, but <deleted> it, that's the choice they made.  I don't try to think for other people. 

As you make your bed so you must lie in it. 
 

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, lucky2008 said:

No, not at all. I'm sure dying of Covid is horrific.

Let me rephrase.

The story is a complete fabrication. 
 

I suppose you have reason to believe that? Or do you want to qualify what you wrote?

 

50 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

For some people their faith is stronger.   

This is something an atheist would ever understand. 

What atheists don't understand is why the religious necessarily need to reject science. In fact, most don't. Do you see Thais rejecting science? It seems to be a product of a particular form of religion found mainly in the southern US.

 

33 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

If you think that people who put their faith in front of science are not very smart people that's up to you.

Again, I fail to understand the nexus between religion and the rejection of science. I've certainly never seen that doctrine taught in any church. It's certainly not in the Bible.

 

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When it can have profoundly negative effects on the nonreligious it can. Israel's level of vaccinations has stalled. The number one reason is that the ultraorthodox are refusing to be vaccinated. Their refusal means hospitals get overloaded with patients, endangering the health of those who don't subscribe to their beliefs. When public health and religion collide. it's religion that should get run over.

It's very unfortunate that a common belief among the religious is that they somehow have a right to project their beliefs (as opposed to their faith) upon other people. Just apart from spreading the virus by refusal to get vaccinated, increasing the likelihood of virus mutations due to increased infections and the very real problem of PTSD among medical staff having to deal with the horror.

[ozimoron]

27 minutes ago, ebice said:

Unless you are a qualified medical practitioner, or possess qualifications to make the statement above, you should remove your suggestion and refrain from offering unqualified medical advice, suggestions or otherwise!

Is he permitted to quote any of the plethora of actual qualified people who say the same thing?

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

I do believe in Ivermectin. I have several work collogues who got infected last year in India and they all survived taking Ivermectin
 

Let me rephrase that. They got infected and took ivermectin and happened not to die from the ivermectin or the virus. That's a world away from concluding that the ivermectin was an effective treatment.

Edited September 14, 2021 by ozimoron

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

Yeah, she doesn't exist.  Call the hospital and see if you can get her on the line. Say it's an emergency and see what happens. 

I do believe in Ivermectin. I have several work collogues who got infected last year in India and they all survived taking Ivermectin.  I had one friend who passed though, he was given Remdesivir.  Are you referring to Dr. Kory or Dr. Bossche?  

I'm sure some unvaccinated people that die of Covid have regrets, but <deleted> it, that's the choice they made.  I don't try to think for other people. 

As you make your bed so you must lie in it. 
 

Your idea of proof is asking me to call a hospital and see if I can get hold of a doctor?

I have to confess to a bit of satisfaction at watching your attempt at appearing reasonable evaporate so spectacularly. What lunatic source of information did you draw on to contend that this doctor doesn't exist? Please, name the source. Anyway, were this the case, then there would have to be quite a conspiracy to accomplish this

I did a search for Dr. Cobia and precluded any links that were created after Jan 1, 2019

 

BRYTNEY S COBIA, MD – NPI #1265811970 Internal Medicine

https://npidb.org › ... › Internal Medicine

Mar 23, 2018 — BRYTNEY S COBIA, MD. 801 PRINCETON AVE SW STE 229. BIRMINGHAM, AL 35211-1322. Medical school: UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH ALABAMA COLLEGE OF MEDICINE

Brytney Cobia - Hospitalist - Grandview Medical Center System

https://www.linkedin.com › brytney-cobia-93a48226

Greater Birmingham Area · Hospitalist · Grandview Medical Center System

Jan 24, 2015 — View Brytney Cobia's profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional ... Brytney has 2 jobs listed on their profile. ... Doctor of MedicineMedicine.

 

Dr. Brytney Cobia, MD | Birmingham, AL | Healthgrades

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Jul 26, 2017 — Dr. Brytney Cobia, MD is a Internal Medicine Specialist in Birmingham, AL. Be sure to call ahead with Dr. Cobia to book an appointment.

 

 

Dr. Brytney Cobia, MD - Birmingham, AL - Sharecare

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Jun 2, 2018 — Dr. Brytney Cobia, MD is a internal medicine specialist in Birmingham, AL. She currently practices at GRANDVIEW MEDICAL CENTER

 

 

Dr. Brytney Snow Cobia, Internal Medicine, Irondale AL

https://www.topnpi.com › ... › Irondale, AL

Nov 15, 2018 — Dr. Brytney Snow Cobia specializes in internal medicine in Irondale, AL and has over 6 years of experience in the field of medicine.

 

BRYTNEY S COBIA, MD – NPI #1265811970 Internal Medicine

https://npidb.org › ... › Internal Medicine

Mar 23, 2018 — BRYTNEY S COBIA NPI profile information. BRYTNEY COBIA, 207R00000X - Internal Medicine Doctors & Physicians in BIRMINGHAM, ... 833 SAINT VINCENTS DR STE 300

Hospital affiliation(s): TRINITY MEDICAL CEN...

 

Some people might characterize this claim of yours as proof of gullibility. But I prefer to think that you have an extraordinary gift of faith. You'll believe anything that suits your beliefs. 

[lucky2008]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You'll believe anything that suits your beliefs. 

And so will you.

But that's exactly how all of this is supposed to work. 

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, lucky2008 said:

And so will you.

But that's exactly how all of this is supposed to work. 

Nonsense. What do I believe that compares to your belief that this Dr. doesn't exist? Do you have any idea of how nutty that is? This article has had national circulation. Are the nurses and doctors at the hospitals where she works speaking out about this falsehood? Do you have any idea of how difficult such a scheme would be to perpetrate? 

I did find a youtube link that apparently contended the same thing. I'm guessing that's where you found this falsehood. But i guess when you're up against it. you'll believe anything. Even that someone with an extensive and long existing record doesn't exist.

 

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

For some people their faith is stronger.   

This is something an atheist would ever understand. 

A reformed Catholic. Who's seen the light. As such ,understand it better than those who think faith will save them. I've been on both sides.

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

Why do you always post links from CNN? 

Give it a break man. 

If you think that people who put their faith in front of science are not very smart people that's up to you.

I try my best not to bear no ill will against no man.  
 

I bear no ill will towards anyone unless their actions are to the detriment of society. Anti vaxxers are such. That's been proven.

[gamb00ler]

On 9/12/2021 at 11:24 PM, Scott said:

For those that are touting natural immunity as being better, I suggest getting vaccinated and then when a breakthrough infection occurs, you should be well covered.

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Especially advice that has the backing of virtually the entire scientific and medical community. Outrageous!

 

6 hours ago, ebice said:

Unless you are a qualified medical practitioner, or possess qualifications to make the statement above, you should remove your suggestion and refrain from offering unqualified medical advice, suggestions or otherwise!

I don't think @Scott actually gave advice other than to follow the world's best experts on COVID.

 

On the other hand your statement makes it seem that you are grasping at any straw to use as a criticism.

 

[gamb00ler]

8 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

Personally, I don't think there's any better defense out there than my "god" given immune system. 

With that opinion you should be overjoyed that "god" gave some scientists the intelligence and determination to produce a messenger that teaches your "god given" body to produce the "god given" protein that then stimulates your "god given" immune system to mount a defense against COVID.   All thanks to "god",  praise be!  Aren't most "god"s all seeing, knowing and all powerfull?  So this vaccine is then somehow a "god" product, no?

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by gamb00ler

[Chomper Higgot]

How on earth did religion get into this?

 

Other than a growing number of rightwing evangelical pastors preaching a newly minted anti vaccine ‘doctrine’ as they, and tragically members of their flock, slip into their graves I cannot see a connection.

 

That aside, I’m not sure that when seeking to back up an argument a call to deity is much better than referring to some crackpot website.

 

At least the website actually exists.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

 I thought that's why this thread was started- to criticize the unvaccinated?  

The Pandemic of the unvaccinated????  

The virus is killing the unvaccinated at an alarming rate and they are overwhelming health services as they succumb to unnecessary serious illness.

 

So let’s get upset that they might suffer some criticism.

[placeholder]

10 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

I disagree. 

Faith doesn't necessary mean it needs to be tied to a specific religion. 

Personally, I don't think there's any better defense out there than my "god" given immune system. 

Wow! I never thought I'd see the day when a religion would be created whose chief article of faith is worshipping the immune system.

[cdemundo]

10 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

 I thought that's why this thread was started- to criticize the unvaccinated?  

The Pandemic of the unvaccinated????  

To report the reality as seen in hospitals.

But you think everyone is a liar except you.

 

[cdemundo]

8 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

And so will you.

But that's exactly how all of this is supposed to work. 

That's not necessarily true.

I have looked into a number of the claims vax skeptic/anti-vax/conspiracy theorists post.

None have had any value based on evidence, usually an invisible conspiracy or a undefined danger in the far future.

Sometimes an opinion of a qualified person who is a minority opinion, so posts on youtube instead of publishing in a journal where they would be peer-reviewed.

The most interesting one was the "what about long term effects?" which I found the answers to and have shared here.

 

More than once the "evidence" they post does not even support their own position.

On the contrary when I post evidence for the number of vax skeptic/anti-vax/conspiracy theorists that are being hospitalized and dying, the most common response is a wisecrack or an insult or the laughing emoji.

 

One thing I will apologize for is calling the vax skeptic/anti-vax/conspiracy theorists "juvenile".

That was unfair to juveniles, vax skeptic/anti-vax/conspiracy theorists are more accurately "infantile".

[transam]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How on earth did religion get into this?

 

Other than a growing number of rightwing evangelical pastors preaching a newly minted anti vaccine ‘doctrine’ as they, and tragically members of their flock, slip into their graves I cannot see a connection.

 

That aside, I’m not sure that when seeking to back up an argument a call to deity is much better than referring to some crackpot website.

 

At least the website actually exists.

 

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/self-proclaimed-wing-fanatic-radio-151558765.html

[lucky2008]

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

A reformed Catholic. Who's seen the light. As such ,understand it better than those who think faith will save them. I've been on both sides.

It might not save them, but people of faith would prefer to die on their feet than than on their knees. 

[lucky2008]

14 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

 

I don't think @Scott actually gave advice other than to follow the world's best experts on COVID.

 

On the other hand your statement makes it seem that you are grasping at any straw to use as a criticism.

 

Who are these word experts you're referring to? 

Please name at least one so us idiots know.  
 

Are you talking about Fauci and his wife? 

[lucky2008]

23 hours ago, lucky2008 said:

No not at all, they're as dead as doornails because they caught COVID. 

Just curious, who do you think is more trustworthy, CNN or FOX? 

Still waiting for you to tell me who you think is most trust worthy?

Come on, start answering some of my question or else I'm not going to reply to yours anymore.