Thailand’s medical authorities want COVID-19 Patients to get Favipiravir Immediately

[snoop1130]

 

BANGKOK (NNT) - Thailand’s Department of Medicine Services (DMS) says that patients with COVID-19 who are awaiting treatment should receive favipiravir anti-viral medication immediately.

 

DMS Director-General Dr Somsak Akkasilp has informed all medical units that patients should be given favipiravir, including those in home or community isolation, field hospitals, special wards or hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

 

The DMS guidelines, for the care of people infected with COVID-19 who are waiting to be admitted to a hospital, suggest that those with mild COVID-19 symptoms or who are asymptomatic should also be given favipiravir as soon as possible.

 

Dr Somsak also recommended favipiravir for probable cases, to maximize the benefit of treatment for those are found to be infected with COVID-19, and added that the patient’s waiting status should not impede access to favipiravir.

 

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[internationalism]

that was decided already a few days ago.

Problem is, with some 1mln pills needed every day (and it will be rising for some 2 months), there is stock for only a few weeks.

Local production now is 3mln per month. The rest has to be ordered

[ThailandRyan]

Not sure why they want to use something that has not been proven entirely effective, but then they are also prescribing paracetamol and the Green Chiretta which also has not been tested either.

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/favipiravir-aka-avigan-to-be-used-for-all-covid-patients-despite-paltry-scientific-merit

3 months ago, the Thai government rejected the patent for Favipiravir/Avigan.

Further, according to The efficacy and safety of Favipiravir in treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis of clinical trials, “more clinical trials with a larger sample size are necessary to evaluate the exact efficacy and safety of this intervention”

 

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/thai-health-experts-say-there-no-evidence-green-chiretta-herb-can-prevent-novel-coronavirus

 

Possible liver damage can occur from using to much of the herb as well, but then why not use it since just three months ago it was a No No. 

 

Wonder if Black magic would not be better.

[sapson]

Does it actually work? 

 

What would be the standard drug treatment if you were in a Uk, American or european hospitals with the best doctors and no restraints on finances.

[zhounan]

.Unbelievable!

We may have found a smart and informed Thai doctor! Probably they will fire him.

[zhounan]

23 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Not sure why they want to use something that has not been proven entirely effective, but then they are also prescribing paracetamol and the Green Chiretta which also has not been tested either.

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/favipiravir-aka-avigan-to-be-used-for-all-covid-patients-despite-paltry-scientific-merit

3 months ago, the Thai government rejected the patent for Favipiravir/Avigan.

Further, according to The efficacy and safety of Favipiravir in treatment of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis of clinical trials, “more clinical trials with a larger sample size are necessary to evaluate the exact efficacy and safety of this intervention”

 

 

https://factcheck.afp.com/thai-health-experts-say-there-no-evidence-green-chiretta-herb-can-prevent-novel-coronavirus

 

Possible liver damage can occur from using to much of the herb as well, but then why not use it since just three months ago it was a No No. 

 

Wonder if Black magic would not be better.

All this waste paper is being produced by those who claim to sponsor vaccines as the miracle drug that stops Covid.

 

The cures are there, successfully used by thousands doctors everyday, and Vaccine Producers are diabolically obstructing these old and inexpensive treatments.

[Caldera]

Let's just say I wouldn't be too keen to take it.

[placeholder]

45 minutes ago, zhounan said:

All this waste paper is being produced by those who claim to sponsor vaccines as the miracle drug that stops Covid.

 

The cures are there, successfully used by thousands doctors everyday, and Vaccine Producers are diabolically obstructing these old and inexpensive treatments.

Like swallowing disinfectant and illuminating your lungs with ultraviolet light?

[ed strong]

''An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.''

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

 

Basically if there was any official medicine to treat covid then the vaccine would not have been approved.

 

Once all the vaccines are taken and the booster jabs are taken then i guess they will move to then selling treatment drugs such as the two mentioned in posts above but they got to milk this cow fully before they move to the next....

 

 

Edited August 9, 2021 by ed strong

[placeholder]

The evidence in support of the use of favapiravir is astonishingly weak. Here is a link to a meta analysis at nature.com.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90551-6

[kimamey]

1 hour ago, ed strong said:

''An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.''

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

 

Basically if there was any official medicine to treat covid then the vaccine would not have been approved.

 

Once all the vaccines are taken and the booster jabs are taken then i guess they will move to then selling treatment drugs such as the two mentioned in posts above but they got to milk this cow fully before they move to the next....

 

 

I think the AstraZeneca vaccine is being supplied on a non profit basis at the moment at least so that wouldn't work in that situation. Possibly later when that agreement runs out.

[hotchilli]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

DMS Director-General Dr Somsak Akkasilp has informed all medical units that patients should be given favipiravir, including those in home or community isolation, field hospitals, special wards or hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

What are they getting now... nothing?

Or are they made to wait a few days for the "system" to treat them.

[ArcticFox]

20 hours ago, zhounan said:

The cures are there, successfully used by thousands doctors everyday, and Vaccine Producers are diabolically obstructing these old and inexpensive treatments.

 

19 hours ago, ed strong said:

Basically if there was any official medicine to treat covid then the vaccine would not have been approved.

Hence the over-the-top reaction to suppress data whenever drug studies show positive results from the media, experts with ties (conflicts of interest) with Big Pharma, and regulators who are suffering from regulatory capture and work for the benefit of Big Pharma and corporate interests and not the public interest.

Any inexpensive and effective treatments are a threat to Big Pharma revenue streams and profits.  That's not going to be allowed hence the suppression of positive study results and outright censorship on some social media platforms
Favipiravir is a moderately successful treatment that helps some of the patients (30 to 45% of patients depending on the study) who take it so it doesn't threaten EUA vaccines.  Same for Green Chiretta. I can't find any medical studies, just statements that the Thai Department of Corrections has used it in prisons with anecdotal evidence that 99% of the population was "cured."
"Deputy government spokeswoman Rachada Dhnadirek said the medicinal herb contains andrographolide, a substance that protects cells from the virus and reduces its multiplication.

[S]he said the Corrections Department gave green chiretta to about 11,800 infected inmates and 99 per cent of them recovered."  from Thailand approves use of green chiretta to treat asymptomatic Covid-19 patients, New Straits Times.
So no studies are needed, DOC says it works so it works. But without published studies, this poses no threat either. 

So my guess is that humans will become "forever pin-cushions" for the monetary benefit of all industries raking in the money around all things Covid19.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

 

Hence the over-the-top reaction to suppress data whenever drug studies show positive results from the media, experts with ties (conflicts of interest) with Big Pharma, and regulators who are suffering from regulatory capture and work for the benefit of Big Pharma and corporate interests and not the public interest.

Any inexpensive and effective treatments are a threat to Big Pharma revenue streams and profits.  That's not going to be allowed hence the suppression of positive study results and outright censorship on some social media platforms
Favipiravir is a moderately successful treatment that helps some of the patients (30 to 45% of patients depending on the study) who take it so it doesn't threaten EUA vaccines. 

False. Here's the link again to the survey from Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90551-6

 

[MrJ2U]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. Here's the link again to the survey from Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90551-6

 

"Favipiravir possibly exerted no significant beneficial effect in the term of mortality in the general group of patients with mild to moderate COVID-19."

 

 That's the consensus among the world's medical professionals.

 

The only why these clowns are hyping it is because there making it here now and are profiting from it.

 

IF they really wanted it would still be cheaper to import it from India.

 

I always wonder whats swirling in these peoples minds when they bring up "Big Pharma" and other conspiracy theories.  I guess despite there baseless theories it brings a little color to the discussion.

[Eric Loh]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. Here's the link again to the survey from Nature:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-90551-6

 

Here another link that is a worthy read. 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220322736
 

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Here another link that is a worthy read. 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220322736
 

The study cited in Science Direct is 4 months older than the Nature study. A lot of research has been done since that earlier overview.

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The study cited in Science Direct is 4 months older than the Nature study. A lot of research has been done since that earlier overview.

Fair enough. This link in May. Just contributing to the conversation and not brinksmanship. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8159019/

Edited August 10, 2021 by Eric Loh
Wrong word

[papa al]

Ivermectin is safe.

& cheap.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Fair enough. This link in May. Just contributing to the conservation and not brinksmanship. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8159019/

Thanks for that. Although the article notes it's more effective for treating mild to moderate illness. Still, that's something.

Edited August 10, 2021 by placeholder

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, papa al said:

Ivermectin is safe.

& cheap.

So is aspirin. What's your point?

[me4175]

On 8/9/2021 at 6:09 PM, zhounan said:

The cures are there, successfully used by thousands doctors everyday, and Vaccine Producers are diabolically obstructing these old and inexpensive treatments.

The cures are there, old and inexpensive... Interesting. Where's the evidence for that I wonder? Must have bypassed me.

[bangon04]

On 8/9/2021 at 12:58 PM, ed strong said:

Once all the vaccines are taken and the booster jabs are taken then i guess they will move to then selling treatment drugs such as the two mentioned in posts above but they got to milk this cow fully before they move to the next....

 

Follow the money?  Who will benefit most from mass use of this Favipiravir??

[papa al]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

So is aspirin. What's your point?

Aspirin causes GI probs.

Iver has shown anti-viral action.

Many studies showing effectiveness vs corona-form infection.

Interweb.

Try it.

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, papa al said:

Aspirin causes GI probs.

Iver has shown anti-viral action.

Many studies showing effectiveness vs corona-form infection.

Interweb.

Try it.

No medication, including ivermectin, is devoid of side effects. And there currently isn't enough solid evidence to support its use aganst covid.

Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies

.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

[papa al]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

No medication, including ivermectin, is devoid of side effects. And there currently isn't enough solid evidence to support its use aganst covid.

Flawed ivermectin preprint highlights challenges of COVID drug studies

.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

The referenced article supports neither of you claims.

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, papa al said:

The referenced article supports neither of you claims.

Really, that article didn't go into details about how there isn't enough clinical evidence to support the claims made for Ivermectin, Can you then please tell me what that article was about?

As for side effects...are you seriously claiming that Ivermectin has no side effects? Ya think that this stuff is medicinal manna from heaven? However, to satisfy your empty objection, here ya go:

"Headache, dizziness, muscle pain, nausea, or diarrhea may occur...

Tell your doctor right away if any of these rare but very serious side effects occur: neck/back pain, swelling face/arms/hands/feet, chest pain, fast heartbeat, confusion, seizures, loss of consciousness.

A very serious allergic reaction to this drug is rare. However, seek immediate medical attention if you notice any symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, including: rash, itching/swelling (especially of the face/tongue/throat), severe dizziness, trouble breathing."

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details