'We don't know if we'll survive': Thailand sex workers left struggling as COVID-19 lockdown drags on

[Artisi]

11 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

She should have retired years ago.

Pretty young girls don't have any problems finding sponsors.

Maybe she did but has come out of retirement for some hands on therapy. 

[roger101]

This thread is missing the point. For every sex tourist you need sex workers  but you also need other workers as well. The tourist doesn't necessarily go with a sex worker every day.

Even when he does he will still need bar staff retardant staff. Hotel workers  pool-cleaners etc. For every sex worker there must be dozens who are needed to run the resort.

 

So you may not have any sympathy for the sex workers but just think of the thousands who are out of work as well. They probably didn't have a job that enabled them to have massive savings and because they were off the books (as most people in the tourist trade are) they dont get any help from the government.

[billd766]

9 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Nice way to avoid and deflect the contents of the post instead of adressing it properly, personal attacks are not a sign of intelligence.

 

I think I'm done with you.

Where was the personal attack in his comment?

[Captain Monday]

Within a decade or so they would be replaced by VR tech then Asian love droids.

Perfect bods and attitude and 100 percent STD free.

[scubascuba3]

4 minutes ago, roger101 said:

This thread is missing the point. For every sex tourist you need sex workers  but you also need other workers as well. The tourist doesn't necessarily go with a sex worker every day.

Even when he does he will still need bar staff retardant staff. Hotel workers  pool-cleaners etc. For every sex worker there must be dozens who are needed to run the resort.

 

So you may not have any sympathy for the sex workers but just think of the thousands who are out of work as well. They probably didn't have a job that enabled them to have massive savings and because they were off the books (as most people in the tourist trade are) they dont get any help from the government.

Too many people don't appreciate that if it wasn't for the sex workers they wouldn't have jobs

[scubascuba3]

1 minute ago, Captain Monday said:

Within a decade or so they would be replaced by VR tech then Asian love droids.

Perfect bods and attitude and 100 percent STD free.

Maybe 50+ years when they are so life like you can't tell the difference

[Captain Monday]

7 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Maybe 50+ years when they are so life like you can't tell the difference

It will be earlier than that, especially after two large Changs,

 

They means to eliminate sex tourism is well known. Just pull a few dozen trolls in for heavy fines and long sentences in Thai Jail every season,  getting a few high profile western figures or CEOs in the process. That would teach them to take a prostitute in their own country. No interest in it in "Thighland." There is too much money at stake. Should probably be a national monument to Hookers built somewhere in Isaan their contribution to GDP far underestimated.

[Tanomazu]

2 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Sure enough, the next time you see Sasha Grey on the filthy side of Pattaya’s beach road haggling tourists walking by screaming “welcooooome sexy man!”, please call me.

 

Until then I’ll call your “argument” a moot point.

 

Regardless we all can conclude that Thailand is done for, the damage has ran its course, there now are far cheaper and far better destinations for those who wish to engage in pay for play activities.

 

To be clear, I don’t blame any of the men who do… I used to be one of them and that was 12 years ago…

You're not getting it, are you? One Bangkok-based news site attempted to figure out the value of the country’s sex trade. Their answer returned that it was very lucrative, with a staggering worth of about THB260 billion (US$8.1 billion), reported Sanook Money.

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thai-sex-industry-estimated-worth-260-billion-baht-according-news-site/

 

ALL OVER THE WORLD the sex trade is huge business. And if you think Tahiland's sex trade is only streetwalkers, you're obviously unaware of the luxury escorts you can order online in Thailand like pizza. They probably earn more than you ever did.

 

Even if they don't reach the heights of sex workers in the states, who can be worth 5 million USD, relative to the average salary in Thailand they earn big bucks.

 

As for Thailand being done for, that's absolute nonsense. After the tsunami it took a couple of years, but Thailand was back bigger and better in every way. You can't unknow what people know, and in Thailand they know how to sell sex.

[NanaSomchai]

1 hour ago, Tanomazu said:

ALL OVER THE WORLD the sex trade is huge business. And if you think Tahiland's sex trade is only streetwalkers, you're obviously unaware of the luxury escorts you can order online in Thailand like pizza. They probably earn more than you ever did.

This is where I drew the line and stopped reading your post/reply.

 

It seems to me you can't have a friendly chat on the internet without attacking others or throwing nasty phrases like "they earn more than you ever did" and so on which is totally unnecessary and uncalled for.

 

If you want to continue engaging with me that's fine, I'm always interested in open minded conversations but please use some common sense and fix your attitude first.

 

Thank you.

Edited August 16, 2021 by NanaSomchai

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Too many people don't appreciate that if it wasn't for the sex workers they wouldn't have jobs

 

indeed, if there were no sex trade in Pattaya, then Pattaya would be a Hua Hin.  ????  

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

indeed, if there were no sex trade in Pattaya, then Pattaya would be a Hua Hin.  ????  

Good grief; we wouldn't want that!

[pedro01]

15 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Here's my report from the moo ban. Yes, the young ladies have been showing up at grandma and grandpa's here and there, with a noticeable difference between them. Some are obviously in a better mood than others. Those who managed to snag sponsors from when they were working, and those who didn't. I have a hard time finding sympathy for the latter. They had plenty of time to develop better social skills, attitudes, and definitely better English, instead of all that time on the barstool playing on their phones, gossiping, drinking. Now they stomp around the moo ban with a permanent scowl on their faces as they head to sell food by the road.

 

Online sales, indeed. Some girls we don't see come out until the afternoon. There's no clubs or bars to go to, so they're up late in their rooms doing something. Not just bar girls, but HS grads who then didn't go to uni, jobless, nothing else to do. The wife hears they're TikTok-style messaging apps where they do livestreams and doods toss coins or whatever at them. Hey, if it's bringing in more money for the fam, more power to them. Much better than the young men who lay about, and other than yelling about whatever's going on in their online game, do absolutely nothing.

Are you saying that the smart hookers were all studying in their spare time? 

 

That those playing on their phones weren't the clever ones?

 

From what I've seen - it's the prettiest one's that seem to get on. 

 

I didn't know the punters where checking resume's & qualifications. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by pedro01

[VBF]

Just now, pedro01 said:

I didn't know the punters where checking resume's & qualifications. 

Just their "O" and "A" Levels........

[Broken Record]

3 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Regardless we all can conclude that Thailand is done for, the damage has ran its course, there now are far cheaper and far better destinations for those who wish to engage in pay for play activities.

I came to live here in 1990, and some of the old guys that had been here a few years said to me how Thailand was done for, 31 years later they are all dead, and Thailand went from strength to strength, Thailand will continue after covid also after you and I are dead and gone. Thailand will always attract tourists, if the earths climate changed and Thailand had <deleted> weather when Europe and Russia was freezing, people might not come, but as long as the Sun isn't switched off, people are coming.

 

You want pay for company, you can stay in your home country and do that, try Phillipines were English is widely spoken, could also try Japan that has an amazing adult scene, anything available in Thailand is available in Japan with bells on, plane loads of sex tourists don't head there though, why not, cos it's really expensive, but the customer service is second to none.

 

Thailand is what it is, I could say it's had it's heyday, but people will still come here after Covid, sure, I personally think things were better in the early 90"s and Thailand is certainly not the place it used to be, but name me anywhere that is, things change, in my home country. England,  it would be completely different to me after over 30 years of living here, the place would have changed immeasurably, and not for the better and it would still have <deleted> weather ????

 

[kingstonkid]

12 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

One could argue that if they REALLY had some brains, they would have chosen a different career path to begin with. But that's just me.

I am not necessarily sure of that I agree that in most cases that is true.  But In Canada I did not live a sheltered life and knew a few people in the industry both as strippers and escorts.  A great deal of them had a plan. 

 

Some from Ontario Canada here may remember the Zanzibar and Filmore's their were a lot of university students that were dancing there to pay their way through U of T.  

 

If a girl watches what she does and puts money away ( I know not something Thais think of) they make a great living getting paid more than they would sitting in an office.

 

10,000 baht a month working a 9-5 

if a girl is good looking and has personality I am sure she makes more than that.

 

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, Broken Record said:

Thailand is what it is, I could say it's had it's heyday, but people will still come here after Covid, sure, I personally think things were better in the early 90"s and Thailand is certainly not the place it used to be, but name me anywhere that is, things change, in my home country. England,  it would be completely different to me after over 30 years of living here, the place would have changed immeasurably, and not for the better and it would still have <deleted> weather ????

 

I don't know if Thailand is getting worse, or it's me getting older.

But it's still way better than living in the Uk .......... brrrrrrrrr .......

[BritManToo]

28 minutes ago, Leaver said:

indeed, if there were no sex trade in Pattaya, then Pattaya would be a Hua Hin.  ????  

Been here in Chiang Mai 12 years, Pattaya once for 1 night, Hua Hin 3x for a week each visit.

I preferred Hua Hin, plenty of action to be had in BintaBaht and Soi 80, nice meals in Murphy's, great beer on the pier looking over the harbour. Don't know why everyone slams Hua Hin.

 

[Leaver]

32 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Been here in Chiang Mai 12 years, Pattaya once for 1 night, Hua Hin 3x for a week each visit.

I preferred Hua Hin, plenty of action to be had in BintaBaht and Soi 80, nice meals in Murphy's, great beer on the pier looking over the harbour. Don't know why everyone slams Hua Hin.

 

 

I wasn't slamming Hua Hin.  Just saying, it doesn't offer the nightlife options that Pattaya does, then again, neither does anywhere else in the world.  It's what makes Pattaya unique.  

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Leaver

[jazzdog32095]

13 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Pay them for sex, have a good time and move on. Most of these girls are sex addicts, alcohol addicts, have mental issues and are "damaged" beyond repair anyway.

Words to live by !! Long before they take on their first punter they have serious issues. Six months in the trade is equal to having a frontal lobotomy. My question is how did 75% of these girls who are not at all attractive, fat etc. survive before Covid?  On the upside and likely typical in the future is ordering sex via Grab in any corner of the country,  Girls including stunners have gone home and rates have dropped by at least 1/3. By the time Covid is tamed internet pimps will be running operations akin to Amazon Sex were you pick your girl like TF saving hours of culling thru scammers. Currently the amount of bars in Pattaya is freaking ridiculous and unsustainable as are go-gos 

 

 

[n00dle]

Amusing how many have no sympathy for the only women in the kingdom that will have anything to do with them.

 

There is a strong sense of misogyny woven throughout this entire thread.

 

Amazing how many come to thailand for the women, but how few actually respect them.

[n00dle]

13 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

And sex is what we're paying them for and it is what we're getting. Nothing else.

 

Listening to them, falling in for their scams, falling in "love" with them, being infatuated with any of them, being introduced to their families or children they have from a previous (Thai) husband, buying them land, building them a house or a flashy new car, all these things are a dire mistake.

 

It always end the same way: lots of tears and a very empty wallet/bank account.

 

Pay them for sex, have a good time and move on. Most of these girls are sex addicts, alcohol addicts, have mental issues and are "damaged" beyond repair anyway.

Given your disdain, why would you want to have sex with them?

 

Desperation? Lack of self esteem? These are the only answers thst make any sense to me.

[n00dle]

56 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

I wasn't slamming Hua Hin.  Just saying, it doesn't offer the nightlife options that Pattaya does, then again, neither does anywhere else in the world.  It's what makes Pattaya unique.  

 

Pattaya doesnt offer the the nightlife options it used to either.

 

Covid aside its been in decline for years.

[n00dle]

7 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Not sure why it's hypocritical to not admit it. It's not really anyone's business. 

No, but it is pretty hypocritical that a fair few on this thread are likely rewriting the past and condemning sex workers despite the fact the it is the only female contact they recieve.

 

Their salaried wives and girlfriends are different.

 

At least now they are.

 

The others are all just whores who deserve anything that may befall them.

Edited August 16, 2021 by n00dle

[Encore]

 

I read every comment with much disappointment and surprise that there was very little sympathy or understanding of the ancient, ingrained, inherent expectations and pressures that propel many into the ‘trade’, often against their wishes, to help support their families.  

 

I suggest that this will continue as long as the educated elite, education system, parental pressure and lack of alternatives remain.

[HashBrownHarry]

3 hours ago, Tanomazu said:

You're not getting it, are you? One Bangkok-based news site attempted to figure out the value of the country’s sex trade. Their answer returned that it was very lucrative, with a staggering worth of about THB260 billion (US$8.1 billion), reported Sanook Money.

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thai-sex-industry-estimated-worth-260-billion-baht-according-news-site/

 

ALL OVER THE WORLD the sex trade is huge business. And if you think Tahiland's sex trade is only streetwalkers, you're obviously unaware of the luxury escorts you can order online in Thailand like pizza. They probably earn more than you ever did.

 

Even if they don't reach the heights of sex workers in the states, who can be worth 5 million USD, relative to the average salary in Thailand they earn big bucks.

 

As for Thailand being done for, that's absolute nonsense. After the tsunami it took a couple of years, but Thailand was back bigger and better in every way. You can't unknow what people know, and in Thailand they know how to sell sex.

I was in Khao Lak in November ( that's where the worst of the Tsunami was ) and the locals there said this is much much worse.

 

Hotel we stayed in had only about 10 rooms, street lights were mostly off and we only found one restaurant to eat at......and now it's worse!

[Zikomat]

4 hours ago, roger101 said:

This thread is missing the point. For every sex tourist you need sex workers  but you also need other workers as well. 

So you may not have any sympathy for the sex workers but just think of the thousands who are out of work as well. 

 Do you refer to taxi mafia guys, sneaky mamasans, overly curious hotel receptionists, waiters acting like beggars, dumb guards always ready to beat the <deleted> out of another drunk foreigner, lazy thai youngsters living off their hooker girlfriends’ money? If yes - then the h*ll with them all too )))

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Zikomat

[Leaver]

37 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I was in Khao Lak in November ( that's where the worst of the Tsunami was ) and the locals there said this is much much worse.

 

Hotel we stayed in had only about 10 rooms, street lights were mostly off and we only found one restaurant to eat at......and now it's worse!

After the tsunami hit, immediately they could start to clean up and rebuild.  

 

No end in site for covid.  

 

Let's hope the world can be vaccinated before another mutation or variant comes along that the vaccine is useless against and the world is back to square one.

[jazzdog32095]

58 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Tsunami

I think that is the best way to describe this likely 50 times the  Boxing Day Tsunami 

[DBath]

With covid it's been feast or famine. It must be tough going from being able to consume more hotdogs than Joey Chestnut in one evening to having no hotdogs at all.

 

I can't even imagine what that must be like...

[FarangULong]

17 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Thailand needs to invest heavily in home built businesses that it owns and controls, giving the populous work options, not relying solely on foreign investments.

 

A lot of foreign investment never really appeared to begin with, because Thai law is ridiculous with it's 51% bullmanure. Sure, you can use strawmen companies, but if it catches up with you, you lose everything.

 

Why would most investors put their money there, if you have to partner up with someone and give them the controlling share, who might be totally inept, who might be untrustworthy, et cetera?!

 

But yes, it's never a good idea to have an economy that rests almost exclusively on one sector, such as tourism.