Pattaya beach remodel project paused after several prominent local residents protest

[webfact]

 

By Goong Nang(GN)

 

Pattaya – A group of prominent local Thai residents and community leaders protested about a major Pattaya Beach remodel project yesterday (August 16th) near North Pattaya Beach. The project is now being paused after it had just started on Sunday, August 15th.

 

Yesterday, multiple large trees were being removed by construction equipment when the protest group arrived in the mid-morning hours. The protesters were led by Ms. Jidapa Tanahatthachai a resident well-known as ‘Sor Ong’ who is also a former Pattaya Redshirt leader and Mr. Chairat Ratanaopas, the president of the Eastern Spa and Wellness Association.

 

The protesters stated to The Pattaya News that they believe the project is destroying the original natural environment of Pattaya Beach.

 

Full story: https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/17/pattaya-beach-remodel-project-paused-after-several-prominent-local-residents-protest/

 

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[Destiny1990]

Somehow they managed with each renovation that the result was even more poorly then their last renovation. I expect they same outcome with this renovation.

[shdmn]

I was really disappointed when they trimmed all the trees and tore some of them down a few years ago, resulting in a LOT less shade.  Almost none in some spots.  That didn't make much sense to me then.  I'll reserve judgement until I see what they are doing now.  If they plan to plant more or ?  

Edited August 16, 2021 by shdmn

[harada]

Just another brown envelope exchanging exercise. ????

[morrobay]

1 hour ago, Destiny1990 said:

Somehow they managed with each renovation that the result was even more poorly then their last renovation. I expect they same outcome with this renovation.

Have a look at the pre 2013 promenade photos on the pattaya addicts forum, barstool banter,topic pattaya beach "improvement" works last page post by plahget , 5 photos. I'm taking this wholesale destruction along the beach by "these people" personally. 

 

 

[morrobay]

1 hour ago, shdmn said:

I was really disappointed when they trimmed all the trees and tore some of them down a few years ago, resulting in a LOT less shade.  Almost none in some spots.  That didn't make much sense to me then.  I'll reserve judgement until I see what they are doing now.  If they plan to plant more or ?  

You don't have to reserve judgement: even Stevie Wonder could see what the objective here is

[smedly]

This so called constant remodel required after every shower of rain seems to be labelled incorrectly - I think a more appropriate description would be constant expensive maintainence and the budget that goes with it, I would love see the total budget spent on this going back 20 years and to whom it was paid.

 

I remember once reading about the techical aspects of beach errosion and it is extemely complicated, the main point being that it was human interference that mostly caused beaches to disappear, things like buildings and man made structures, parts of a natural bay being removed etc etc. 

 

That beach front was there for probably hundreds of years without needing intervention - so what changed to cause the natural eco of pattaya beach to become such a problem - prbably not that hard to figure out - we could start with the roads along the coast line and other sea front structures going right the way round to Bali H altering the natural flow of the tide and currents and even the wind.

 

IMO - One thing is for sure, there is no way to fix it unless the coastline is restored back to how nature intended and evolved it over many decades - impossible

 

At some point Pattaya "beach" resort is going to need a name change 

[ezzra]

Pattaya leadership knows very little how to "beautify and improve" anything, they have a big chunk of money burning a hole in their pocket and unless the'll start spending it they themselves gets nothing, so hence the "let make improvements" come about, i can hardly wait to see the results...

[Peabody]

Great for Nong Nooch, the source of the new vegetation.

It used to be such a beautiful walk, shaded by palm trees, many benches on which to sit. Every year it gets worse.

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Peabody

[carlyai]

26 minutes ago, smedly said:

This so called constant remodel required after every shower of rain seems to be labelled incorrectly - I think a more appropriate description would be constant expensive maintainence and the budget that goes with it, I would love see the total budget spent on this going back 20 years and to whom it was paid.

 

I remember once reading about the techical aspects of beach errosion and it is extemely complicated, the main point being that it was human interference that mostly caused beaches to disappear, things like buildings and man made structures, parts of a natural bay being removed etc etc. 

 

That beach front was there for probably hundreds of years without needing intervention - so what changed to cause the natural eco of pattaya beach to become such a problem - prbably not that hard to figure out - we could start with the roads along the coast line and other sea front structures going right the way round to Bali H altering the natural flow of the tide and currents and even the wind.

 

IMO - One thing is for sure, there is no way to fix it unless the coastline is restored back to how nature intended and evolved it over many decades - impossible

 

At some point Pattaya "beach" resort is going to need a name change 

From my ancient memory, I think sand migrates up and down the coast about 100km. That's why changing something at Pattay beach can effect Lam Chabang and vica versa.

I bet when they keep topping up the sand on Pattaya beach it is sourced from as near as possible.

I do think everytime they upgrade the beach area they employ better tradesmen. Seems the finish is better.

It's all good. Just need money, sand and palm trees. A tropical paradise. 

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

The protesters stated to The Pattaya News that they believe the project is destroying the original natural environment of Pattaya Beach

The boss loves plain concrete.

[jacko45k]

42 minutes ago, smedly said:

That beach front was there for probably hundreds of years without needing intervention - so what changed to cause the natural eco of pattaya beach to become such a problem - prbably not that hard to figure out - we could start with the roads along the coast line and other sea front structures going right the way round to Bali H altering the natural flow of the tide and currents and even the wind.

Or the elimination of the swamplands that used to exist and absorb some of the floodwaters... like Buakhao and much of the darkside. 

[morrobay]

44 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

 

I remember once reading about the techical aspects of beach errosion and it is extemely complicated, the main point being that it was human interference that mostly caused beaches to disappear, things like buildings and man made structures, parts of a natural bay being removed etc etc. 

 

 

 

 

What changed causing the beach erosion: Oceanography 10. A longshore current has a  max sand carrying capacity that is proportional to the currents velocity. When any obstruction along the coast slows this longshore current it will necessarily drop a load of sand. But when the current has passed this obstruction and increases velocity (down river) then in order to get back to it's equilibrium sand load, it picks up sand, thus erosion. You can see example of this along jomtien beach Soi 13 concrete boat ramp during wind driven currents: sand piles up to ramp level on one side and is subtracted from other side.

Edited August 17, 2021 by morrobay

[newnative]

   Hope it's not just 'paused' but stopped.   Instead of always planting palm trees, how about  some more shade trees planted, instead?   Now that the wires are buried on North Pattaya Road, how about spending some of, apparently, a very large budget on planting some trees (not palms) there, too?

[rtco]

Why don't they do the same as they did at Bang Sarai and build 2mtr high concrete walls. That should do it. 

[Bangkok Barry]

Don't worry. It's all part of the plan. Give someone who knows someone to pull the trees down and then that someone or similar gets a contract to supply them again. That's why the constant and endless work takes place along Beach Road.

[Mickeymaus]

6 hours ago, shdmn said:

I was really disappointed when they trimmed all the trees and tore some of them down a few years ago, resulting in a LOT less shade.  Almost none in some spots.  That didn't make much sense to me then.  I'll reserve judgement until I see what they are doing now.  If they plan to plant more or ?  

Don't worry. According to this picture showing the new design there will be still some trees left ????

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/downsized-pattaya-beach-facelift-begins-will-take-2-years-368002

 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Mickeymaus

[MrJ2U]

Jomtien beach looks so much nicer than Pattaya?

 

Why is that?

 

They've got palm trees,parking, nice little road alone the beach.

 

Maybe get there contractors.

[jacko45k]

24 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Jomtien beach looks so much nicer than Pattaya?

 

Why is that?

 

They've got palm trees,parking, nice little road alone the beach.

 

Maybe get there contractors.

I think it is going to be the other way round..... the ones that messed up Pattaya will start on Jomtien.

[chalawaan]

Remodel walking street, tear it down and make it like Darling Harbour in Sydney. 

If they build it, the families will come, if they don't, the mongers will just keep cumming.

 

[shackleton]

Why are they wasting money on these projects when people are queuing 

Up for food

They never seem to get their priorities right 

Worry about making the place look nice after the Corivirus numbers decrease  and the tourists arrive back 

[newnative]

2 hours ago, Mickeymaus said:

Don't worry. According to this picture showing the new design there will be still some trees left ????

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/downsized-pattaya-beach-facelift-begins-will-take-2-years-368002

 

     Notice not a lick of shade.  The guy in the brown shirt by the light pole is about to collapse from heat stroke.  You know you've got a bad design when even the artist rendering looks horrible.  

[morrobay]

5 hours ago, carlyai said:

From my ancient memory, I think sand migrates up and down the coast about 100km. 

Basically sand goes South for the winter and North for summer

[DefaultName]

9 hours ago, smedly said:

This so called constant remodel required after every shower of rain seems to be labelled incorrectly - I think a more appropriate description would be constant expensive maintainence and the budget that goes with it, I would love see the total budget spent on this going back 20 years and to whom it was paid.

 

I remember once reading about the techical aspects of beach errosion and it is extemely complicated, the main point being that it was human interference that mostly caused beaches to disappear, things like buildings and man made structures, parts of a natural bay being removed etc etc. 

 

That beach front was there for probably hundreds of years without needing intervention - so what changed to cause the natural eco of pattaya beach to become such a problem - prbably not that hard to figure out - we could start with the roads along the coast line and other sea front structures going right the way round to Bali H altering the natural flow of the tide and currents and even the wind.

 

IMO - One thing is for sure, there is no way to fix it unless the coastline is restored back to how nature intended and evolved it over many decades - impossible

 

At some point Pattaya "beach" resort is going to need a name change 

The main issue as I understand it was that the sand on all sandy beaches migrates as you say, but it also needs a "reservoir" of sand off shore.  They allowed that to be dredged for building sand, so the beach sand went to replace it.  They had experts who told them this would happen, but money overrode that advice.

[Stargeezr]

Coconut palm trees are the worst to plant. A combination of trees and those ferns make the best shade.

 Palm trees are dangerous when the coconuts start falling on a windy day. I nearly got hit by a coconut in Hawaii

and there were signs all over to watch out for falling coconuts.. Plus only shade from a palm tree is the trunk,

as the leaves are so high up.  Look at the artists picture.

Geezer

[Leaver]

10 hours ago, newnative said:

The guy in the brown shirt by the light pole is about to collapse from heat stroke. 

 

I think he's just about to collapse because the Thai girl in the blue jeans and white top has just told him it's over, and reminded him that the house, land, and shop, are all in her name.  No wonder she looks quite relaxed.  ????  

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Plus only shade from a palm tree is the trunk,

as the leaves are so high up.  Look at the artists picture.

Geezer

That is the case with a mature tree, but they do actually start off smaller. I would say 7-8 years from a few feet to 12 ft, and the coconuts falling from that height would do little damage to most people, and none whatsoever to Americans. Once they get tall they can be replaces and are common enough for this not to be so bad ecologically. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by jacko45k

[redwood1]

On 8/17/2021 at 4:06 AM, shdmn said:

I was really disappointed when they trimmed all the trees and tore some of them down a few years ago, resulting in a LOT less shade.  Almost none in some spots.  That didn't make much sense to me then.  I'll reserve judgement until I see what they are doing now.  If they plan to plant more or ?  

 

When they say they will be planting trees, they mean Palm Trees....When they say they will be planting shade trees,they mean Palm trees.....Palm trees do give off a few feet of shade (so it's not a lie)

 

Think.....People....

Real shade trees take years and years and years to grow....Why would you cut them all down and say you will be planting shade trees?

It make zero sense....

 

They don't want shade trees, they don't want shrubs, they don't want plants, they only want Palm trees and nothing else....

[redwood1]

On 8/17/2021 at 5:41 AM, morrobay said:

Have a look at the pre 2013 promenade photos on the pattaya addicts forum, barstool banter,topic pattaya beach "improvement" works last page post by plahget , 5 photos. I'm taking this wholesale destruction along the beach by "these people" personally. 

 

 

Well the vast majority of the promenades destruction happened already in 2013......From 2013 to 2021 the promenade has just been a shadow of its former self.......And now the time has come for its complete destruction....

[redwood1]

22 hours ago, newnative said:

   Hope it's not just 'paused' but stopped.   Instead of always planting palm trees, how about  some more shade trees planted, instead?   Now that the wires are buried on North Pattaya Road, how about spending some of, apparently, a very large budget on planting some trees (not palms) there, too?

Have you gone mad?........I mean totally crazy......The Palm tree is the only tree that exists or matters in the entire world in the minds of the Neo Pattaya planners.......They want 100% Palm trees everywhere.....