There are 1000s of variants and covid is mutating all the time and only the very few that are of any concern seem to make the news. So no concern yet 

"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person's immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose." - source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm  Yet the COVID vaccines have yet to be proven to make a person immune to COVID... So these vaccines don't actually appear to be a true "vaccine". 

We have an article in Danish newspapers today about a sub variant of Delta, that MIGHT spread more, but it's none of the 4 mentioned here.

It's the A.Y3 (B-1621) found in Columbia.

 

Currently not that many in Denmark (7 cases), but article mentions that in Missouri and Mississippi that variant now is present in 40% of all the covid 19 cases,

so that's probably smart to monitor the situation.           

 

It's only natural that a virus mutate, and  most mutations are not more dangerous than the previous ones.,

so let's see what happens.

 

Most of us who are vaccinated should still be well protected from serious illness.

Even the Chinese vaccine are ok at preventing hospitalizations, compared to those people not being vaccinated.

 

So best option is to get the shot and cross the fingers.

 

Sinovac is only marginally effective against Delta subs. What's next, depth charges?

17 hours ago, smedly said:

when do these so called sub vaiants become variants - what is the difference ?

 

are these variants unique to Thailand 

 

Ok so it seems some of these variants at least in the US alter the spike protein that the vaccines work with so I guess the worst that could happen is the vaccines don't work any more, hardly an issue of concern - right ?

 

I suggest, before drawing such unsubstantiated conclusions,

you should first do your homework, eg. on GISAID.org ….

 

Then you’ll realize, that we have also in western countries smaller genome changes, which are still categorized under a variant. 

eg. with this tool: https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/upcoming-features-in-v20/treetool-app/

 

There is a also tool, where you could evaluate, which genes are changed, answering your question about altering „the“ Spike protein.

 

In the end, if we are talking about SARS-Cov2 variants, we are talking about a genome change of only approximately:

2%

 

The change from the old SARS genome to SARS-Cov2 is

~ 10-times of that, 20%

 

Nevertheless, there are peer-reviewed studies showing,

that people infected with the old SARS virus -18 years ago-

showed for 80% a positive immune reaction

to SARS-Cov2 .

 

 

13 minutes ago, Bernietravelling said:

I suggest, before drawing such unsubstantiated conclusions,

you should first do your homework, eg. on GISAID.org

what conclusions are you talking about - I posted two questions 

 

are you for real ? ( another question in case you get confused again)

29 minutes ago, Virt said:

We have an article in Danish newspapers today about a sub variant of Delta, that MIGHT spread more, but it's none of the 4 mentioned here.

It's the A.Y3 (B-1621) found in Columbia.

 

Currently not that many in Denmark (7 cases), but article mentions that in Missouri and Mississippi that variant now is present in 40% of all the covid 19 cases,

so that's probably smart to monitor the situation.           

 

It's only natural that a virus mutate, and  most mutations are not more dangerous than the previous ones.,

so let's see what happens.

 

Most of us who are vaccinated should still be well protected from serious illness.

Even the Chinese vaccine are ok at preventing hospitalizations, compared to those people not being vaccinated.

 

So best option is to get the shot and cross the fingers.

 

B.1.621.1 is not a Delta variant. It's a new strain that arose in Colombia earlier in 2021. It was placed on an alert list list on May 26 2021. It does not yet have a Greek letter.

 

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

 

AY.3, in Mississippi and elsewhere. is a Delta variant Article about Delta-Plus in the US. Delta AY.1 and AY.2 are other Delta variants now in the US.

 

And yes, it is all quite confusing.

 

26 minutes ago, rabas said:

B.1.621.1 is not a Delta variant. It's a new strain that arose in Colombia earlier in 2021. It was placed on an alert list list on May 26 2021. It does not yet have a Greek letter.

 

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants/

 

AY.3, in Mississippi and elsewhere. is a Delta variant Article about Delta-Plus in the US. Delta AY.1 and AY.2 are other Delta variants now in the US.

 

And yes, it is all quite confusing.

 

Thx.

Yeah it's hard to keep of all the variations and where they originated from, and i can imagine the journalists have the same issue ????

20 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

More reason to be alarmed.

 

 

It was only 2 weeks ago a prominent medical expert said " every adult in Thailand will contract covid 19. in the near future and lockdowns, social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands, sitting apart on a table, being vaccinated is going to make no difference". " it just depends on the severity of the infection, some will be low, med, high and a few will be fatal depending on the age ,health and fitness of the individual".   I England 80% have been vaccinated, but their daily infection rate was higher than Thailand's.

2 hours ago, Ginner said:

It was only 2 weeks ago a prominent medical expert said " every adult in Thailand will contract covid 19. in the near future and lockdowns, social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands, sitting apart on a table, being vaccinated is going to make no difference". " it just depends on the severity of the infection, some will be low, med, high and a few will be fatal depending on the age ,health and fitness of the individual".   I England 80% have been vaccinated, but their daily infection rate was higher than Thailand's.

I mean whenever this government says, "don't worry, we have it under control"

Worry.