A negative aspect of Electric vehicles.

[CharlieH]

Take look at the video and what can happen with an electric vehicle.

 

 

What you see in this video is an electric car at a charging station with a shorting cell setting off all the rest.

It's a chain reaction from the first to the fiery end of the car.

Note the time it took to destroy 3 vehicles, in just 75 seconds !.

[talahtnut]

Had a G Wiz small electric car, advertised range 45/50 miles.

actual range 7 miles, hills killed it, 2mph climbing. new battery

set £1000+ Visiting someone meant charging on their meter!

Daily driver now is 35yr old 2cv, bought for £60, 20 years ago,

utterly reliable, 45mpg. Normal folk would have 2/3 new cars

in that time, so really minimal damage to the old planet.

[elcaro]

Have a look at the negatives of fuel vehicles.

 

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Fire+petrol+station

 

Same as the discussion about driverless cars. The other side is way more deadly.

[mistral53]

Over time, the batteries will become way safer than they are today, the Chinese BYD is leading with their blade battery design:

 

[gk10012001]

EVs have good potential and promise.  However, you don't get somethng for nothing.  The bill comes due.  There are costs to produce and distribute electricity.  There are costs to make electric batteries, regenerating systems that use rare earth magnets, etc.  both dollars and environmental.   Legislation in many cities and states and even countries seem to be pushing towards mandatory Electric Vehicles.  Time will tell

[sezze]

Yes , lithium batteries can catch fire . They are the same batteries as used in your laptop , cellphone , electric tools .... . Battery technology is evolving , getting safer , more capacity , higher charge and discharge rates ...

Electric cars from a few years ago aren't the same like the cars sold now , and will not be the same in a few years also . Electric engines outperform any other kind of engine by multiple times in power/size , wear and tear , torque .

Yes there are a few cars going up in flames each year and due to more electric cars driving around there will be more fires . In general the event of that happening is rare , but it surely exists .

 

[ozimoron]

More damage is caused by CO2 pollution than a few electric cars burning.

[LarrySR]

WOW Those electric cars catching fire on occasion are scary!

Whats even more scary? The 175,000 gasoline car fires per year in the USA that kill hundreds.

 

Publicists for the fossil fuel industry and politicians that are financed by them make sure any negative stories about renewable energy and electric cars go viral.

They try to convince the public climate change is a hoax and that carrying 25 gallons of gas under your back seat is just fine..nothing to worry about.

 

 

 

[HeijoshinCool]

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Climate change....pffft.

 

 

[LarrySR]

5 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

EVs have good potential and promise.  However, you don't get somethng for nothing.  The bill comes due.  There are costs to produce and distribute electricity.  There are costs to make electric batteries, regenerating systems that use rare earth magnets, etc.  both dollars and environmental.   Legislation in many cities and states and even countries seem to be pushing towards mandatory Electric Vehicles.  Time will tell

Last year, 2 million electric car sales. This year around 3.8 million.

In 2025 estimated 40 million.

Half of the Mercedes fleet will be battery in 2025, Jaguar 100%. Volvo will be 100% battery soon and by 2035 you probably won't see any ICE vehicles for sale (except large trucks that will be phased out by 2045)

 

By 2030 many jurisdictions will outlaw and combustion engine cars.

Investing in the electric car market is a no brainer. How many of the below listed stocks will surge 1,000% or more?

NIO

LI

XPEV

CHPT

BYDDY

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[Peterw42]

I think the odd petrol car catches fire sometimes, probably more common and in greater numbers than electric. A quick YouTube search show 100s of examples.

There is a fire clause and coverage in insurance policies, so it does happen.

[CharlieH]

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10 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Over time, the batteries will become way safer than they are today, the Chinese BYD is leading with their blade battery design:

 

It's very impressive but I think solid state batteries are going to have the edge. They are inherently non flammable, can hold a greater charge than batteries with a liquid electrolyte, and charge more quickly. Not so long ago a Toyota powered by a prototype solid state battery was spotted on a highway in Japan.

https://www.thedrive.com/tech/42287/toyota-is-road-testing-a-prototype-solid-state-battery-ev

[mavi]

yes they are a scam, look at Tesla, replacement batteries after end of warranty are still so expensive, I would never buy one.

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

13 hours ago, LarrySR said:

Whats even more scary? The 175,000 gasoline car fires per year in the USA that kill hundreds.

It would be interesting to get numbers for vehicles fires per million or billion miles driven for both gasoline and electric cars.

Arson subtracted of course. 

[mistral53]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

It would be interesting to get numbers for vehicles fires per million or billion miles driven for both gasoline and electric cars.

Arson subtracted of course. 

In all fairness, you would also have to subtract the Karen's driving away from the gas pump with the fuel hose still attached, lots of fires from those fiery characters.........lol

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7 hours ago, mavi said:

yes they are a scam, look at Tesla, replacement batteries after end of warranty are still so expensive, I would never buy one.

 

More than 60 per cent of fleets would see financial gains if they transitioned to electric today

https://electricautonomy.ca/2021/01/25/electric-fleets-financial-gain/

[AgMech Cowboy]

I can't click a laughing and thanks emoji at the same time. on your post. ????????

Hydrogen is the future for clean 'green' transportation.

[n8sail]

My MG EP, after beating the <deleted> out of it for 15 minutes, hitting the rev limiter multiple times on the AC Motor (15,000 RPM!  Yes that renders a very high speed of travel, but we have the roads in this area to support that, if you know where the cameras are), then stopping and checking everything under the hood and the battery with infrared thermometer....   Hottest temp seen:  56 Centigrade!  You'd be seeing temperatures in excess of boiling throughout the engine bay of an ICE car if driven the same way, and exhaust manifold temps multiple times those temperatures.  The AC compressor motor which cools cabin, motor and most importantly battery pack of the MG EP is sizeable...  like that of a large van.  Could it blow up?  I'm sure...  but I'd say less likely than a benzene-powered, under-maintained POS ICE car here in Thailand.

 

If you want safety in a car, drive a diesel.  You can drop a lit match into a barrel of diesel and it will literally just snuff out.

 

What boggles my mind are the legal 'bomb cars' fueled by LPG, LNG etc driven around here.  THOSE are completely insane IMHO.  I'll take my BEV any day over those!

[Will B Good]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:48 PM, LarrySR said:

The 175,000 gasoline car fires per year in the USA

WHAT???

 

Is this morons filling up whilst smoking and chatting on their mobiles (I hope).

[kennw]

On 9/19/2021 at 8:19 AM, HeijoshinCool said:

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Climate change....pffft.

Please remove your head from the sand and look at the evidence.

 

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

On 9/19/2021 at 3:34 AM, ozimoron said:

More damage is caused by CO2 pollution than a few electric cars burning.

More damage is  caused by destroying perfectly  good sound running petrol/diesel  cars for the "sake of the environment" when buidling a new  car must use a sheite  load of resources...make do an mend same as  the 2cv mentioned  above.

[mahtin]

Had an old two horse once. Don't like remembering working on a centrifugal clutch.

Mend a Citroen? No thanks.

 

[Rampant Rabbit]

23 hours ago, placeholder said:

On 9/19/2021 at 12:29 AM, mistral53 said:

Over time, the batteries will become way safer than they are today, the Chinese BYD is leading with their blade battery design:

 

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It's very impressive but I think solid state batteries are going to have the edge

minimum 10  years  away according to samsung

[Thingamabob]

The availability of Lithium and the other precious metals required to manufacture the batteries is finite, and is mined in very dangerous circumstances. There is also the issue of how to dispose of millions of defunct used batteries. 

[lesmac]

In my opinion it's a scam. One the batteries are not 100 percent recyclable ref nat geo. Two the cost and amount of fuel used to mine rare earth is huge and the lifespan of the batteries is to short to make everything viable. This technology has much further to evolve.

 

 

[Peterphuket]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:56 PM, elcaro said:

Have a look at the negatives of fuel vehicles.

 

https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=Fire+petrol+station

 

Same as the discussion about driverless cars. The other side is way more deadly.

Or, what do you think of this:

solar cell fire https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=solar+cell+fire

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18 minutes ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

minimum 10  years  away according to samsung

 

If there's one thing that is consistent is that the predictions about the progress in battery technology has been uniformly too conservative.

For one thing, the drop in the cost of lithium ion batteries has dropped dramatically.

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/storage/annual-survey-finds-battery-prices-dropped-13-in-2020/#gref

 

And there are plenty of predictions out there that counter Samsung's.

https://www.mining.com/solid-state-battery-deployment-expected-to-by-mid-decade-report/

https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/8/22158573/quantumscape-solid-state-battery-ev-range-charge-vw

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29 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

29 minutes ago, lesmac said:

In my opinion it's a scam. One the batteries are not 100 percent recyclable ref nat geo. 

 

. There is also the issue of how to dispose of millions of defunct used batteries. 

New Tesla Battery Recycling Process Reportedly Produces No Waste

 

Tesla’s new process that claims it can save up to 92 percent of the elements that make up a battery pack.

https://insideevs.com/news/525965/tesla-battery-recycling-no-waste/

[Peterphuket]

23 hours ago, mavi said:

yes they are a scam, look at Tesla, replacement batteries after end of warranty are still so expensive, I would never buy one.

 

I agree with you, many different types of Lithium batteries, when you  take for example the 18650 batteries, average they stay long, but the batteries in my DJI drones worn out very quickly, but compete different types but both lithium.