Shocked at Pattaya

[ta158]

12 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Ghetto ???? Yeah every city has a "bad neighborhood(s)," have you considered moving? I've lived in 3 different moobaans in East Pattaya and never been burgled. As criminal behavior in general is so low...the Thai perception of crime is very high...that accounts for the dramatic coverage of it in the Thai press when it happens. Also, much of the violent crime is inter-personal, familial, or business related. Random stranger danger is quite rare...unlike in the West.

''Random stranger danger is quite rare...unlike in the West.'' and how do you know that when news dont report on all crimes or violence? and certinly not english speaking thai news, and i assume you cant read thai. 

 

 ''the Thai perception of crime is very high'' so you know better than thais, so their perception of high crime is not true because you personally never experienced crime or seen it, and never hear/read about it? 

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 hours ago, ta158 said:

''Random stranger danger is quite rare...unlike in the West.'' and how do you know that when news dont report on all crimes or violence? and certinly not english speaking thai news, and i assume you cant read thai. 

 

 ''the Thai perception of crime is very high'' so you know better than thais, so their perception of high crime is not true because you personally never experienced crime or seen it, and never hear/read about it? 

Yep.

[Andrew65]

On 9/21/2021 at 9:28 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO that's the way it always was. I'm surprised any on here think it should be like a welfare society, when it never has been.

A welfare society? In the UK, people have been on 'furlough', that's where the government pays them to do nothing.

[Cherrytreeview]

4 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

A welfare society? In the UK, people have been on 'furlough', that's where the government pays them to do nothing.

No it's where the government supports thousands of businesses so they don't go bust.

Now the UK has reopened, these businesses start trading again, paying taxes, commercial rent and employees national insurance.

It's called thinking ahead and being proactive to stop a depression.

TVF's resident economic genuises can be relied upon to trot out the usual ill informed nonsense.

Meanwhile, residing in a third world toilet that does nothing for it's own citizens and businesses.

 

 

[Johnny Mac]

On 9/21/2021 at 8:25 AM, Bangkok Barry said:

Why? Is Thailand really the best place you can think of to visit? Seriously? And a serious question. I'm interested in knowing why you think it is, because even when rules are relaxed - which might be months away - the derelict buildings you see aren't suddenly going to light up again anytime soon, if ever.

Yea agreed Baz, it's weird how so many are obsessed with coming here., even when it's an utter mess. I'd get myself to Mexico or Cuba, or the like.

[Leaver]

4 hours ago, Johnny Mac said:

Yea agreed Baz, it's weird how so many are obsessed with coming here., even when it's an utter mess. I'd get myself to Mexico or Cuba, or the like.

 

The first ones back will be very disappointed.  

[HashBrownHarry]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

The first ones back will be very disappointed.  

Depends where they've been.

[rott]

On 9/22/2021 at 4:42 PM, Seismic said:

Spoken like someone who is clearly not one of those same homeless and destitute people.

 

Nobody on here is one of those homeless or destitute people as far as we know. So what.? 

On 9/22/2021 at 6:18 PM, Cherrytreeview said:

And couldn't care less about them.

The lowest of the low.

What is he supposed to do, walk round wearing a hair shirt, give all his money to the poor.? it was just an observation. 

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

TVF's resident economic genuises can be relied upon to trot out the usual ill informed nonsense.

Meanwhile, residing in a third world toilet that does nothing for it's own citizens and businesses.

 

 

Who do you think will come out of all this better armed for the future? From what we see of the UK it has already saddled it's people with a massive amount of debt, increased tax levels have already been implemented (National Insurance), the supply chains are broken and empty shelves loom. Energy supplies are in danger and the price of energy is going through the roof.... meanwhile there are protests that block the main thoroughfares and illegal immigration and refugees pour in.

I think Thailand will climb out of it's problems, while the UK will be paying for decades, if it ever recovers. 

[Cherrytreeview]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Who do you think will come out of all this better armed for the future? From what we see of the UK it has already saddled it's people with a massive amount of debt, increased tax levels have already been implemented (National Insurance), the supply chains are broken and empty shelves loom. Energy supplies are in danger and the price of energy is going through the roof.... meanwhile there are protests that block the main thoroughfares and illegal immigration and refugees pour in.

I think Thailand will climb out of it's problems, while the UK will be paying for decades, if it ever recovers. 

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail.

Blighty will do just fine thanks.

Those of us that still own tangible assets in the UK are scraping by.

https://www.forbes.com/uk/advisor/personal-finance/2021/09/15/house-prices-updates/

House prices up 11% year on year.

Meanwhile the Pattaya shoebox owners will be lucky to get pennies on the pound if they tried to sell.

You always find the most gobby on here are the ones who have burned their bridges and can look forward to a frozen state pension and having to learn mandarin to speak to their new neighbours.

I'll stick to pick'n'mixing Thailand to suit me thanks.

Now where's that calculator?

[Andrew65]

22 hours ago, Cherrytreeview said:

No it's where the government supports thousands of businesses so they don't go bust.

Now the UK has reopened, these businesses start trading again, paying taxes, commercial rent and employees national insurance.

It's called thinking ahead and being proactive to stop a depression.

TVF's resident economic genuises can be relied upon to trot out the usual ill informed nonsense.

Meanwhile, residing in a third world toilet that does nothing for it's own citizens and businesses.

 

 

It does nothing for it's poor citizens, more like.

Thailand's leaders promote "self-sustenance" for the poor, whilst living well on their taxes.

[Leaver]

15 hours ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Depends where they've been.

 

I disagree.

 

In my opinion, it depends on what awaits them here, which is currently zero, and after bars open, not much more. 

 

If they compare that to what they are used to on their trips here, they will be very disappointed.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:25 PM, Bangkok Barry said:

Why? Is Thailand really the best place you can think of to visit? Seriously? And a serious question. I'm interested in knowing why you think it is, because even when rules are relaxed - which might be months away - the derelict buildings you see aren't suddenly going to light up again anytime soon, if ever.

Seeing as you said Thailand rather than Pattaya, yes, yes, yes. There is more to Thailand that a bunch of unattractive concrete buildings in Pattaya, and yes, it is better than anywhere else I can think of for reasons that are more about the character and safety of the place than the infrastructure.

 

NB I'm not talking about the traffic when I refer to "safety". IMO the traffic is one of the major problems that Thailand has.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

It does nothing for it's poor citizens, more like.

Thailand's leaders promote "self-sustenance" for the poor, whilst living well on their taxes.

Name any country where the "leaders" DON"T live well on the citizen's taxes.

[scubascuba3]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Name any country where the "leaders" DON"T live well on the citizen's taxes.

UK, local authority leaders get paid more than the Prime minister, MPs are relatively low paid which is why you get dross

[Henryford]

On 9/25/2021 at 5:57 AM, jacko45k said:

Who do you think will come out of all this better armed for the future? From what we see of the UK it has already saddled it's people with a massive amount of debt, increased tax levels have already been implemented (National Insurance), the supply chains are broken and empty shelves loom. Energy supplies are in danger and the price of energy is going through the roof.... meanwhile there are protests that block the main thoroughfares and illegal immigration and refugees pour in.

I think Thailand will climb out of it's problems, while the UK will be paying for decades, if it ever recovers. 

Agreed Jacko, it is easy to print 400 billion GBP, not so easy to pay it off. Thailand may be suffering now but will probably be back to normal in a year or two, with no debt.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

UK, local authority leaders get paid more than the Prime minister, MPs are relatively low paid which is why you get dross

My question wasn't how much they get paid. I bet even lower paid MPs have a better life than some poor sod that served king or queen and country, but didn't luck out with a high paying job after. I bet they even get paid better than nurses, and nurses save lives.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/25/2021 at 2:03 PM, Cherrytreeview said:

Meanwhile the Pattaya shoebox owners will be lucky to get pennies on the pound if they tried to sell.

That makes me feel better about my opinion that we should buy property to live in, not as some sort of "investment" that may or may not work out in the future. If we don't want to depend on a building making money in the future, we can rent a very long time in LOS on what it costs to buy a place, and have the advantage of moving when it becomes an Air B and B for the Chinese masses, or an all night karaoke opens next door.

[Cherrytreeview]

3 hours ago, Henryford said:

Agreed Jacko, it is easy to print 400 billion GBP, not so easy to pay it off. Thailand may be suffering now but will probably be back to normal in a year or two, with no debt.

You either help your citizens or you don't.

UK choose to protect people's jobs and livelihoods.

It's a model most civilised western nations followed.

Thailand doesn't give a fiddlers about it's poor.

Highest amount of wealth concentrated in smallest percentage of population in SE Asia.

Regarding the economics, i wouldn't believe the facts and figures coming out of any SE Asian country.

You just have to look at the Chinese property ponzi scheme, Evergrande.

The empty condo's that abound in Pattaya etc for evidence of that.

 

 

[mommysboy]

On 9/21/2021 at 7:34 PM, DaLa said:

I should know better than experiencing my life here in los, having property in 3 areas and including running a business with 6 outlets. My opinion of Thailand is correct from my perspective, if you have a different view I accept that. You may have noticed that forums can be made up of opinions.

 

You then point out , I presume quite accurately that 'no one needs to be homeless in my part of the UK'  which I accept; now let me have your first hand knowledge of all the other areas in the UK.

 

My comment was to contrast the original post that mentioned there were large numbers of homeless in Pataya and as I stayed in the City last week and only saw 1 then I challenge you to explain why you believe my post was 'ill informed'.

 

There are many great aspects to the UK , I'm not so sure that paying people to sit at home being unproductive is going to play out well financially in the long run, but again that's my opinion.  

 

What has Thailand done for its citizens?

 

'....ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country.”  Springs to mind.

 

All this notwithstanding Thailand has done very little financially to help people through this pandemic. 

 

Opinions still need to be justified to some extent.

 

And what have you done for England/Thailand?

[Cherrytreeview]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That makes me feel better about my opinion that we should buy property to live in, not as some sort of "investment" that may or may not work out in the future. If we don't want to depend on a building making money in the future, we can rent a very long time in LOS on what it costs to buy a place, and have the advantage of moving when it becomes an Air B and B for the Chinese masses, or an all night karaoke opens next door.

The history in civilised Western countries is that property goes up in value overtime.

People still want to get on the property ladder, raise a family and pass on the asset to their heirs.

Covid has accelerated that trend. The race for space.

Investing in anything in a third world toilet like Thailand is a complete and utter lottery.

You know the odds of winning in a lottery.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

You either help your citizens or you don't.

UK choose to protect people's jobs and livelihoods.

It's a model most civilised western nations followed.

Thailand doesn't give a fiddlers about it's poor.

Highest amount of wealth concentrated in smallest percentage of population in SE Asia.

Regarding the economics, i wouldn't believe the facts and figures coming out of any SE Asian country.

You just have to look at the Chinese property ponzi scheme, Evergrande.

The empty condo's that abound in Pattaya etc for evidence of that.

 

 

Just to reiterate what I've said before

Thailand IMO isn't a "socialist" country in any sense of the word.

It's definitely not a western country.

 

I don't get why farangs want the benefits of a capitalist society ( with loads of poor people ) in good times, but expect it to change to a socialist one in the bad times. Life doesn't work like that.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Cherrytreeview said:

The history in civilised Western countries is that property goes up in value overtime.

People still want to get on the property ladder, raise a family and pass on the asset to their heirs.

Covid has accelerated that trend. The race for space.

Investing in anything in a third world toilet like Thailand is a complete and utter lottery.

You know the odds of winning in a lottery.

Costs of buying anything in NZ are so expensive that unless one wins a lottery, the average person ain't buying anymore. Before corona some lived in their cars or garages, and costs since early 2020 have increased substantialy. IMO it's only because the gov had to put people in motels because of corona that we don't have an actual housing crisis at the moment.

[Cherrytreeview]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Costs of buying anything in NZ are so expensive that unless one wins a lottery, the average person ain't buying anymore. Before corona some lived in their cars or garages, and costs since early 2020 have increased substantialy. IMO it's only because the gov had to put people in motels because of corona that we don't have an actual housing crisis at the moment.

Seems like a lot of contributors on this forum like to complain about the price of things in their home country.

Maybe if they hadn't burned their bridges and kept that asset, they would be in a different place financially, emotionally and mentally.

[mommysboy]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Costs of buying anything in NZ are so expensive that unless one wins a lottery, the average person ain't buying anymore. Before corona some lived in their cars or garages, and costs since early 2020 have increased substantialy. IMO it's only because the gov had to put people in motels because of corona that we don't have an actual housing crisis at the moment.

This is undoubtedly true. there comes a time when you run out of buyers, if only because of affordability.  Bubbles burst and sometimes they really need to.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Cherrytreeview said:

Seems like a lot of contributors on this forum like to complain about the price of things in their home country.

Maybe if they hadn't burned their bridges and kept that asset, they would be in a different place financially, emotionally and mentally.

LOL. I didn't burn any bridges, and the horrid woman got my house.

I'm not really complaining about the cost of houses as I'm not even trying to buy one. Worst happens I can buy a campervan and live in a car park ( which they had to allow given so many homeless ), so not even that worried about rents.

 

[mommysboy]

5 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

Seems like a lot of contributors on this forum like to complain about the price of things in their home country.

Maybe if they hadn't burned their bridges and kept that asset, they would be in a different place financially, emotionally and mentally.

Assuming they had a bridge in the first place.  It's not a given.  Enjoy your wealth and stop victimizing poor people.

[sungod]

17 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

The history in civilised Western countries is that property goes up in value overtime.

People still want to get on the property ladder, raise a family and pass on the asset to their heirs.

Covid has accelerated that trend. The race for space.

Investing in anything in a third world toilet like Thailand is a complete and utter lottery.

You know the odds of winning in a lottery.

My investments here have done very well thank you, helps to know what your doing which in your case you probably dont.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, mommysboy said:

This is undoubtedly true. there comes a time when you run out of buyers, if only because of affordability.  Bubbles burst and sometimes they really need to.

True, but if inflation increases the reserve bank has to put up interest rates, and then the screaming really starts when people lose their houses as can't afford the mortgage any more ( bought when the interest rate is probably the lowest in our lifetimes ). I can remember when I got 12% in a bank on savings, instead of almost 1% or less now.

At the rate petrol is going up in price inflation can't be far away.

[spidermike007]

The homeless population is growing in Bangkok too. The economy is in the toilet. Some talent, and a few adults are required to come up with a plan, and open back up to tourism. Coward leaders are not what Thailand needs right now. And the people need more assistance from the stingy leaders. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2021 by spidermike007