Popular Post 4MyEgo Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) I have a simple question. Why won't the government allow bars, pubs and entertainment venues to open to fully vaccinated people ? What are they afraid of, I mean if everyone is vaccinated and their vaccination status is checked before entry, what is the problem ? I am sure they can provide stiff fines and enforcement for those that don't comply as they would do to others. Is alcohol and the above venues really that much of a problem for them that they want them gone ? I just can't put my finger on it as it doesn't make sense to me and a lot of others. Edited October 29, 2021 by 4MyEgo 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CharlieH Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 Maybe they are very aware of how easy it woukd be to bypass that rule. It would be almost impossible to Police that and enforce given how easy it is to bypass many things with currency ! May be ? 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kwasaki Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Is alcohol and the above venues really that much of a problem for them that they want them gone ? I'm hoping November 1st they start with restaurants where you are allowed to drink alcohol as well as eat meals. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gsxrnz Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 Because all governments are currently drunk on power. 18 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeorgeCross Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 pretty much every "bar" in my area is now a "restaurant". they all rebranded last year. not that many of them actually cook any food but there's a menu on the counter from a local takeaway the only thing that will actually change at these "restaurants" is the glasses your served in ???? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boomer6969 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 31 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said: Why won't the government allow bars, pubs and entertainment venues to open to fully vaccinated people ? Easy answer to that one: a few months after vaccination NONE of the existing vaccines has more than 50% effectiveness against infection. Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super spreader event. 5 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said: Easy answer to that one: a few months after vaccination NONE of the existing vaccines has more than 50% effectiveness against infection. Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super spreader event. What about T & B cells, I hear that they usually kick in when vaccines wane ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said: Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super spreader event. Easiest thing would be to limit to 25 ppl per venue. But this would <deleted> off the rich mega place owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WEBBYB808 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 24 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said: Easy answer to that one: a few months after vaccination NONE of the existing vaccines has more than 50% effectiveness against infection. Put a hundred [drunk] people into a confined crowded space for some hours and you have a very good chance to get a super spreader event. The virus only mutates in unvaccinated people. So if you put 100 vaccinated people in a bar you don't get a super spreader unless the one with the virus is unvaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated you cant create a super spreader as the virus doesn't mutate in the vaccinated 2 4 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WEBBYB808 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 If you look around Pattaya it would seem the Thais believe they are ooening all on 01 Nov. I seen doors open on bars on SOI 6, coffee shops setting up outside of a Starbucks ( figure their coffee must be better than Starbuck) hotels dusting off cobwebs, pipes being cleaned, price gouging going up, so again they must know something the Learned person doesn't. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gottfrid Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 4MyEgo said: Why won't the government allow bars, pubs and entertainment venues to open to fully vaccinated people ? That´s the 25 million dollar question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeorgeCross Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said: If you look around Pattaya it would seem the Thais believe they are ooening all on 01 Nov. I seen doors open on bars on SOI 6, coffee shops setting up outside of a Starbucks ( figure their coffee must be better than Starbuck) hotels dusting off cobwebs, pipes being cleaned, price gouging going up, so again they must know something the Learned person doesn't. going to be some very confused faces come november 1st.. "where is everybody?!" ???? 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBBYB808 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, GeorgeCross said: going to be some very confused faces come november 1st.. "where is everybody?!" ???? 80% of airlines have returned there slots meaning they aren't comming. This has been published. I guess they are planning to reap the domestic tourist. I wonder if they will charge the double pricing to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazygourmet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, WEBBYB808 said: 80% of airlines have returned there slots meaning they aren't comming. This has been published. I guess they are planning to reap the domestic tourist. I wonder if they will charge the double pricing to them. Weekends have always been busy, here, around Khao Yai. But the new trends, since pandemic, is that more and more people are coming with their own camping gear, food and drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zzaa09 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, WEBBYB808 said: The virus only mutates in unvaccinated people. So if you put 100 vaccinated people in a bar you don't get a super spreader unless the one with the virus is unvaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated you cant create a super spreader as the virus doesn't mutate in the vaccinated You might do some deeper research before commenting whimsically. Repeating what has been set in place, over and again, is of little value. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBBYB808 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: You might do some deeper research before commenting whimsically. Repeating what has been set in place, over and again, is of little value. It is fact that the virus only mutates in the unvaccinated. It is fact that 90% of people dying in hospitals from the virus are the unvaccinated. Hence, fact.. the emergency vaccines stops the virus from mutating, and fact that having been vaccinated gives one a higher chance of survival if they contract the virus. So with facts presented what do you find whimsical? 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastheace Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 hours ago, 4MyEgo said: I have a simple question. Why won't the government allow bars, pubs and entertainment venues to open to fully vaccinated people ? and with vaccination certificates being sold on the streets for 100 B, what could possibly go wrong... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2021 12 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: It is fact that the virus only mutates in the unvaccinated. It is fact that 90% of people dying in hospitals from the virus are the unvaccinated. Hence, fact.. the emergency vaccines stops the virus from mutating, and fact that having been vaccinated gives one a higher chance of survival if they contract the virus. So with facts presented what do you find whimsical? Total misinformation. The virus can mutate inside anyone. And the vaccines are not emergency use. They have full FDA approval. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 12 hours ago, jastheace said: and with vaccination certificates being sold on the streets for 100 B, what could possibly go wrong... Entertainment venues have been closed for a long time and look what happened in Thonglor. Super spreader events. Can't trust the police to enforce any laws. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkk6060 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 13 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: It is fact that 90% of people dying in hospitals from the virus are the unvaccinated So, 10% are? You contradict yourself? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaiyaTH Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said: Entertainment venues have been closed for a long time and look what happened in Thonglor. Super spreader events. Can't trust the police to enforce any laws. Soi 7 is open since a good 2 weeks already, guess you make a lot clueless comments. FDA approval have nothing to do with emergency use only in most countries either. WHO states emergency use only too. Mutations are no threat to vaccinated people if the vaccin works in the first place. Up to 20% difference would be covered and covid mutations are 0.3% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivebaxter Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 16 hours ago, Kwasaki said: I'm hoping November 1st they start with restaurants where you are allowed to drink alcohol as well as eat meals. On Sukhimvit this week everywhere we went were serving drinks, just not in a glass! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said: Soi 7 is open since a good 2 weeks already, guess you make a lot clueless comments. FDA approval have nothing to do with emergency use only in most countries either. WHO states emergency use only too. Mutations are no threat to vaccinated people if the vaccin works in the first place. Up to 20% difference would be covered and covid mutations are 0.3% Well aware of what's open. Ummm....FDA originally issued emergency use authorizations for the vaccines before granting full approval. And many countries just follow their lead. Total misinformation .mutations are a threat to everyone. And the vaccine works. That's been widely proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANSIAM Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: If you look around Pattaya it would seem the Thais believe they are ooening all on 01 Nov. I seen doors open on bars on SOI 6, coffee shops setting up outside of a Starbucks ( figure their coffee must be better than Starbuck) hotels dusting off cobwebs, pipes being cleaned, price gouging going up, so again they must know something the Learned person doesn't. That was the same scene nearing July 1 in Phuket. Unstacking beach chairs, spreading them out, dusting them off, more restaurants opening etc, couple months later beach chairs and restaurants still empty........ Edited October 30, 2021 by CANSIAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: If you look around Pattaya it would seem the Thais believe they are ooening all on 01 Nov. I seen doors open on bars on SOI 6, coffee shops setting up outside of a Starbucks ( figure their coffee must be better than Starbuck) hotels dusting off cobwebs, pipes being cleaned, price gouging going up, so again they must know something the Learned person doesn't. It is not just Pattaya. I had a drive around Chiang Rai yesterday - even up here in the frozen north things seemed to be stirring... To offer an answer to the OP, at the simple level the decision takers are driven by a desire to control people's lives (coupled perhaps with a certain prurient morality?); at the enforcement level an opportunity for some ore lucrative "informal licencing fees"! Edited October 30, 2021 by herfiehandbag 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolpush Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 16 hours ago, WEBBYB808 said: The virus only mutates in unvaccinated people. So if you put 100 vaccinated people in a bar you don't get a super spreader unless the one with the virus is unvaccinated. If everyone is vaccinated you cant create a super spreader as the virus doesn't mutate in the vaccinated Interesting theory you have there 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ronster Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 Makes no sense you can have a wedding with no alcohol but hundreds of people , yet can’t have 50% capacity in an open air bar selling drinks ! Im still of the opinion it’s partly to do with prayut asking for money from the beer companies around 8 months ago to make himself look good and helpful and them giving him nothing . 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ronster said: Makes no sense you can have a wedding with no alcohol but hundreds of people , yet can’t have 50% capacity in an open air bar selling drinks ! Im still of the opinion it’s partly to do with prayut asking for money from the beer companies around 8 months ago to make himself look good and helpful and them giving him nothing . Yes, there may be something in that! The faltering moves towards " lightening up" may be because of a growing awareness of the damage done economically, socially and to international perceptions of the country as a tourist destination, and the threat that may pose to the security of the regime. As ever, how to change tack without losing face? Edited October 30, 2021 by herfiehandbag 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, clivebaxter said: On Sukhimvit this week everywhere we went were serving drinks, just not in a glass! Well the sooner they do it in Sukhothai the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brommers Posted October 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2021 The alcohol ban has little to do with the danger of transmission and a lot to do with the strong anti alcohol lobby amongst the hyper conservative cabinet and advisors. Covid has given them a huge excuse to try to wipe out as many bars as possible by starving them of revenue. There is no logic in being able to crowd into supermarkets, fresh markets and other high traffic venues and not being able to socially distance in a responsibly run bar. We are in the hands of dictators. 3 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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