Children Aged 5-11 to Receive Pfizer Vaccine

[Jonathan Fairfield]

 

The National Communicable Disease Committee (NCDC) has endorsed the administering of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine for children aged 5-11, provided that parental consent is given.

 

The committee also endorsed the issuance of the fourth vaccine doses for healthcare personnel, frontline workers and immunocompromised people.

 

Department of Disease Control (DDC) Director-General Opas Karnkawinpong said a meeting of the NCDC endorsed the proposal to vaccinate children aged 5-11. He also said the Pfizer vaccine is currently the only Covid vaccine permitted by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in young children. Pfizer will be asked to deliver 10 million additional doses as soon as possible.

 

According to the director-general, the administering of the vaccine in the 5-11 age group will require the use of a system earlier adopted to vaccinate youths aged 12-18, under which schools were used as vaccination sites. The Ministry of Education said there are about 5.04 million children in this age group.

 

The committee has also endorsed providing a fourth COVID vaccine dose to healthcare personnel, frontline workers, immunocompromised individuals, and patients of chronic diseases. Dr. Opas said any administering of this booster will be on a voluntary basis. Healthcare personnel can also opt to have their fourth dose delivered into the skin rather than the muscle, or receive only half the usual dosage.

 

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[KhunLA]

mind boggling ... 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-schools-idUSKCN24G2IS

 

 

[neverere]

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

mind boggling ... 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-schools-idUSKCN24G2IS

 

 

An article from July 2020 is far from relevant. What is your point ?

[Dmaxdan]

Parental consent??

My wife recently received a phone call from our grandson's school basically saying that vaccines for the kids were now available but if we decline the offer then he will not be allowed to attend school!

He is six years old.

 

I'm absolutely livid about this, and I'm no anti-vaxxer.

 

 

 

 

[BE88]

Now the fourth dose, look forward to seeing when the eighth dose will be administered.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Dmaxdan said:

Parental consent??

My wife recently received a phone call from our grandson's school basically saying that vaccines for the kids were now available but if we decline the offer then he will not be allowed to attend school!

He is six years old.

 

I'm absolutely livid about this, and I'm no anti-vaxxer.

Schools generally require other kinds of vaccinations for children to attend school. What makes this different?

[KhunLA]

Thankfully my daughter is done Uni.  

 

Mandatory shots for children ... the world has gone nuts.

[tomster]

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Schools generally require other kinds of vaccinations for children to attend school. What makes this different?

The fact there is no medium to long term safety data on giving these vaccines to children springs to mind. 

Edited December 26, 2021 by tomster

[tomster]

2 minutes ago, tomster said:

The fact there is no long term safety data on these vaccines springs to mind. 

Plus the fact that the risk of side effects immediately after vaccination are probably more dangerous to the kids than coronavirus itself (which has now mutated to a common cold like upper respiratory tract virus that is killing basically nobody making a vaccine totally pointless)

[placeholder]

25 minutes ago, tomster said:

The fact there is no long term safety data on these vaccines springs to mind. 

The fact also is that there has never been a latency problem with vaccines. Whereas there are several pathogenic viruses out there that do result in serious, even fatal, latent effects.

Edited December 26, 2021 by placeholder

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, tomster said:

Plus the fact that the risk of side effects immediately after vaccination are probably more dangerous to the kids than coronavirus itself (which has now mutated to a common cold like upper respiratory tract virus that is killing basically nobody making a vaccine totally pointless)

Got any evidence to support your suppositions about side effects being more dangerous to kids? As for deaths, it's very early days.

 

[EricTh]

2 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Parental consent??

My wife recently received a phone call from our grandson's school basically saying that vaccines for the kids were now available but if we decline the offer then he will not be allowed to attend school!

He is six years old.

 

I'm absolutely livid about this, and I'm no anti-vaxxer.

This is really ridiculous and reflective of a tyrannical school. Why not change to another school?

 

Vaccination should be optional and the right to choose the type of vaccine are the basis of human rights.

Edited December 26, 2021 by EricTh

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Got any evidence to support your suppositions about side effects being more dangerous to kids? As for deaths, it's very early days.

 

Suspected vaccine deaths (VAERS)

 

 

[RichardColeman]

My daughter has not been to her kindergarten for nearly a year now, she was 4 when stopped, but now turned 5, if the jab gets the school open and her back in then i'm ok with it. I don't like it, but will agree to it. She is at far more risk education wise than health wise from not taking it.

 

For some reason she the wife just took her for a flu jab, so 1 more wont hurt

[KhunLA]

Risk fact, IMHO, is pretty nil, if using as reference how many kids died in US, from scarier versions of the virus.  5 times the population.

 

Very low risk of death from the virus or the vaccine, but why volunteer for the vaccine, as that risk can be eliminated.  Along with the unknown long term effects.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by KhunLA

[placeholder]

Just now, KhunLA said:

Suspected vaccine deaths (VAERS)

 

 

False. As many of us have explained to many others, to apparently no avail, VAERS stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It does not stand for Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System. There is no causality implied in the symptoms and/or deaths listed there. Anybody can list symptoms in that database. Over 60% of the US population has been vaccinated,. That's about 200 million people, It may seem unlikely to you, but among that number some will die and others will become ill. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? Being vaccinated does not make you Superman. 

[tomster]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Got any evidence to support your suppositions about side effects being more dangerous to kids? As for deaths, it's very early days.

 

Deaths covered by Khun La above - the true extent of vaccine related deaths is going to be more than officially reported (as with all vaccine deaths, this is well established and easy to Google for reference) whereas deaths "With" covid are generally accepted to be higher than they really are as people dying from completely unrelated illnesses are marked as covid deaths if they tested positive previously (and were asymptomatic/unaffected by covid).

 

As for it being very early days for deaths there is clear data out of South Africa (Younger population that European nations but still millions of older people) that Omnicron kills almost nobody. And their vaccine rate is around 30%.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

 

 

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. As many of us have explained to many others, to apparently no avail, VAERS stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It does not stand for Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System. There is no causality implied in the symptoms and/or deaths listed there. Anybody can list symptoms in that database. Over 60% of the US population has been vaccinated,. That's about 200 million people, It may seem unlikely to you, but among that number some will die and others will become ill. Why is this so difficult for some people to understand? Being vaccinated does not make you Superman. 

I did state 'suspected', and simply reported.  That children die after getting vaccinated is definitely a  concern.  It wouldn't be coincidental, as if someone 65-70-75-80+ died.  Kids did die after getting vaccinated, or have cardiac arrest ... not exacting normal kid ailments.

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I did state 'suspected', and simply reported.  That children die after getting vaccinated is definitely a  concern.  It wouldn't be coincidental, as if someone 65-70-75-80+ died.  Kids did die after getting vaccinated, or have cardiac arrest ... not exacting normal kid ailments.

But the symptoms reported to the VAERS are not "suspected" by epidemiologists of anything. These reports aren't even verified. What don't you understand about the fact that even if these reports were verified, you would have to compare them to the frequency verified cardiac events among various segments of the population for these numbers to be meaningful/

And you know what, there actually are medical statisticians whose job is to do just that?

It's odd that the people who cite the raw and unverified data from  the VAERS as some kind of valid evidence,  are almost always those who distrust Mainstream Media.

Edited December 26, 2021 by placeholder

[tomster]

12 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

She is at far more risk education wise than health wise from not taking it

No child of 5 is at risk of having a bad education if they are not in school - in some countries they don't even start school until much later and they do just fine or better.

 

However, would you want to look you daughter in the eye when a currently unknown long term negative effect of the vaccine becomes known in several years time which could mean (for example) that she is unable to have kids herself?

 

I certainly wouldn't - to each their own but I feel the risk of the unknown side effects later in life far outweighs the risk to a child's education by missing a year or two kindergarten (I am in the same situation as you with young kids).

 

 

[placeholder]

13 minutes ago, tomster said:

Deaths covered by Khun La above - the true extent of vaccine related deaths is going to be more than officially reported (as with all vaccine deaths, this is well established and easy to Google for reference) whereas deaths "With" covid are generally accepted to be higher than they really are as people dying from completely unrelated illnesses are marked as covid deaths if they tested positive previously (and were asymptomatic/unaffected by covid).

 

As for it being very early days for deaths there is clear data out of South Africa (Younger population that European nations but still millions of older people) that Omnicron kills almost nobody. And their vaccine rate is around 30%.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

 

 

 

Wow! 2 major errors in one reply. Please share with us a scientific source that claims vaccine deaths are significantly higher than those actually reported.

And you couldn't be more wrong about the number of covid deaths. In fact, they are being massively underreported. Here a link to the University of Washington's School of Public Healths covid 19 website. It shows how badly covid deaths are actually being undercounted.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/global?view=cumulative-deaths&tab=trend

 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

But the symptoms reported to the VAERS are not "suspected" by epidemiologists of anything. These reports aren't even verified. What don't you understand about the fact that even if these reports were verified, you would have to compare them to the frequency verified cardiac events among various segments of the population for these numbers to be meaningful/

And you know what, there actually are medical statisticians whose job is to do just that?

It's odd that the people who cite the raw and unverified data from  the VAERS as some kind of valid evidence,  are almost always those who distrust Mainstream Media.

In the USA, all adverse effects have to be reported by docs to VAERS.  A site, few non professionals know about, or would bother to report an incident to.  And they are investigated, where those results are, I've yet to find.

 

Although, and IMO, possibly hidden deep in the site as many stats are, so most never see them.  Just a thought, as finding the 'effectiveness' of flu vaccines over past 15 yrs was quite a challenge, and very disappointing, as only 10 - 60% effective depending on year, with a 39% average of 15 years.

 

Which apparently, again IMHO, is more effective than covid vaccines, as don't seem to prevent getting or transmitting the virus.

Edited December 26, 2021 by KhunLA

[EricTh]

1 hour ago, tomster said:

No child of 5 is at risk of having a bad education if they are not in school - in some countries they don't even start school until much later and they do just fine or better.

 

However, would you want to look you daughter in the eye when a currently unknown long term negative effect of the vaccine becomes known in several years time which could mean (for example) that she is unable to have kids herself?

 

I certainly wouldn't - to each their own but I feel the risk of the unknown side effects later in life far outweighs the risk to a child's education by missing a year or two kindergarten (I am in the same situation as you with young kids).

 

 

Completely agree!

 

Most people seem to not know (or forget) that the previous vaccines such as flu were mostly inactivated virus vaccines that have been proven safe for decades with no long term side effects reported for decades.

 

Some of the newer vaccines with different vaccine technology have only been tested on humans for the first time during this pandemic. 

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by EricTh

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

In the USA, all adverse effects have to be reported by docs to VAERS.  A site, few non professionals know about, or would bother to report an incident to.  And they are investigated, where those results are, I've yet to find.

 

Although, and IMO, possibly hidden deep in the site as many stats are, so most never see them.  Just a thought, as finding the 'effectiveness' of flu vaccines over past 15 yrs was quite a challenge, and very disappointing, as only 10 - 60% effective depending on year, with a 39% average of 15 years.

 

Which apparently, again IMHO, is more effective than covid vaccines, as don't seem to prevent getting or transmitting the virus.

As I wrote above "VAERS stands for Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. It does not stand for Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System. "

You seem to enjoy some kind of immunity that prevents you from absorbing this information.

 

As for the nonsense about transmission...even if it were true for pre-Omicron versions, what don't you understand about the obvious significance of this?

Unvaccinated 14 Times More Likely to Die From COVID
By Ralph Ellis

While the growing number of breakthrough cases worries health officials, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, MD, reiterated that unvaccinated people are still most at risk from COVID-19.

“Infections among the unvaccinated continue to drive this pandemic, hospitalizations, and deaths — tragically, at a time when we have vaccines that can provide incredible protection,” Walensky said Monday at a White House news briefing.

Unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications, Walensky said.

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211124/unvaccinated-14-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid

 

 

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[TheScience]

Wow, just wow. Poor children and especially boys and Pfizer vaccine.

 

As a teacher I personally do not require this of children 6 to 16...

Edited December 26, 2021 by TheScience

[LukKrueng]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Schools generally require other kinds of vaccinations for children to attend school. What makes this different?

That this is: 

1. Experimental vaccine approved for emergency only at the moment

2. Unlike other vaccines kids get only one, this one seems to be a vaccine to be repeated on a regular basis

[LukKrueng]

23 minutes ago, TheScience said:

I believe only Pfizer is fully US FDA approved....still. They are all experimental.

Yes, fully approved after about 1 year of the biggest ever clinical trial whereas normally it takes an average of 3-5 years to approve other drugs and vaccines....

[KhunLA]

24 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

2. Unlike other vaccines kids get only one, this one seems to be a vaccine to be repeated on a regular basis

Really depends on one's definition of a vaccine.  Which was changed, so these new 'shots' could be called a vaccine.

 

Before the change, a vaccine provide protection from getting the disease designed for. 

 

After the definition change ... well .. neither provided protection from contracting or transmitting.

Yes, they actually had the definition changes ... nuff said.

[Virt]

9 hours ago, KhunLA said:

mind boggling ... 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-schools-idUSKCN24G2IS

 

 

Am i looking at the wrong thing or are you linking to an 18 months article that refers to a study that was not peer reviewed?

[Mansell]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Thankfully my daughter is done Uni.  

 

Mandatory shots for children ... the world has gone nuts.

Polio was mandatory back in the day…..I guess they were nuts also. May have saved you having a short and miserable life.