The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Thus young lady has covid and is being taken care off. If she becomes ill and the disease attacks her lungs or she needs an ICU sh is in a good place. What do people suggest the Thai medical authorities should do? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, hotandsticky said: Quarantine is a small risk - the stats prove that. A risk nonetheless, and your post is valid in that an informed decision is required from those choosing to travel at this time. My daughter and her partner just traveled from the UK; my biggest concern was a positive test on arrival (or a close contact). They are staying 3 months so it would not have been the end of the world. Their biggest concern was a positive test in the UK that prevented them traveling. All these risks were taken into account before traveling. I still admire the German? lady who was quarantined in the Phuket Sandox scheme as a close contact of someone who tested +ve. She didn't whinge or whine like a baby, she was very philosophical and accepted that it was only 2 weeks out of her long stay plans. A 3 week holiday? That is a different story and UK friends have cancelled their 2 week holiday in Khao Lak. Understand the risks; understand exactly what will happen if a positive test is returned. Right now with omicron its a bigger risk then before. But just dont want my parents end up in quarantine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 This is tough, but surely the tourists knew the chances they were taking. Firstly, they are complaining about a 5 hours transfer from Phuket Airport to Krabi which TUI holidays touted as a two hour transfer - A quick look at google maps highlights its a lot more than a 2 hour journey and requires a car-ferry. Regarding testing positive - This is exactly what the Test & Go and Sandbox schemes are for. I see no room for complaint whatsoever. I don’t blame anyone for travelling, thats a personal choice and anyone with a brain knows the risks. I suspect some exaggerated reporting here to gain attention... There’s really nothing to see here. A family travelled during Covid-19, one of them tested positive, they have to quarantine. ------ We [Wife, Son & I] travelled back to the UK in Nov. We knew the risks and the possibility of ending up in quarantine should any of us test positive upon return. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, hotandsticky said: I take issue with your use of the words "wise guys"...... they are not - they are forkin idiots. I agree, but it was ironic, but also I think it appears in a movie as "Oh, wise guy, huh?", BANG! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 86Tiger Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 Yes, it is crazy to travel for leisure in these times. And everyone should educate themselves and be prepared for the consequences. But I think the most important take aways 2 years into this : Thailand is still putting not sick people in hospital. There is no other country in the world doing this. Heck, in US you go to hospital sick, test positive for COVID they send you home and say come back if you can't breathe. And Thailand is only country separating families when there is a positive test. I had my family with me out of Thailand for my work. Contract is ending and had to return them to Thailand. My biggest fear was being forcibly separated at some point. Very luckily it didn't happen but it was a definite risk. Anyone that travels for leisure with family to Thailand is stupid not very smart and asking for problems. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) I had to reread the original article to make sure I was seeing the same as everybody else here. 1 The parents don't appear to be angry or resentful. They aren't even complaining, except about TUI. 2 They realise it was rash and ill advised to travel, and have expressed regret. 3 Their advice to everybody is "Don't!" 4 They naturally have concerns about their daughter being alone and out of reach. I just don't understand people's animosity towards them. Thousands decided to travel at this time. They were lucky. Yes, LUCKY! This could have happened to anybody. The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men Gang aft agley, An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain, For promis’d joy! Robbie Burns Edited December 28, 2021 by bradiston Quote correction 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherrytreeview Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, hotandsticky said: I take issue with your use of the words "wise guys"...... they are not - they are forkin idiots. The only forkin idiots are people who unnecessarily travel globally when you have a virus that spreads as quickly as measles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, 86Tiger said: Yes, it is crazy to travel for leisure in these times. And everyone should educate themselves and be prepared for the consequences. Agreed... Unfortunately the consequences are not ‘clearly outlined’ and there is no ‘general’ policy on the response to positive cases which seem to be addressed on a ‘case by case basis’. Additionally, domestic cases seem to dealt with differently than ‘arriving Test & Go’ or Sandbox cases. 38 minutes ago, 86Tiger said: But I think the most important take aways 2 years into this : Thailand is still putting not sick people in hospital. There is no other country in the world doing this. Heck, in US you go to hospital sick, test positive for COVID they send you home and say come back if you can't breathe. Arrival ‘positive' cases (Test & Go / Sandbox) seem to be treated more severely and may be forced to isolate in a Hospitel or Hospital depending on symptoms. However, domestic (i.e. those living here) ‘asymptomatic cases’ to are not automatically sent to quarantine in hospital (i.e. at great expense to a foreigner or their insurance). In the event of a Positive PCR test, people are ‘asked’ to come to hospital and placed under observation for a couple of days. If they remain asymptomatic they are permitted to go home and isolate there. The ‘patient’ is given the option to remain in hospital if they wish. Note: This may vary from hospital to hospital and province to province. However, I know a handful of people (both Thai and foreign) and they have not been forced into hospital for a two week isolation or until testing PCR negative, they’ve been permitted to go home after 2/3 days and isolate there. 38 minutes ago, 86Tiger said: And Thailand is only country separating families when there is a positive test. I had my family with me out of Thailand for my work. Contract is ending and had to return them to Thailand. My biggest fear was being forcibly separated at some point. Very luckily it didn't happen but it was a definite risk. Families are not separated at all. There are no reports or evidence of this. If one member of the family (a child or adult) tests positive, all are requested to isolate together. 38 minutes ago, 86Tiger said: Anyone that travels for leisure with family to Thailand is stupid not very smart and asking for problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samtam Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Oracle2022 said: Anyone travelling to Thailand now should plan to do full quarantine. Omicron is spreading there is a very high chance in January you will get infected during days 1 to 6 in Thailand as Omicron spreads.......trouble is you have to have a PCR on day 6 and so....you cannot ignore it, you will end up with 10 days in isolation from day 6. Madness for anyone to travel into Thailand January/February unless you really have to - and you are prepared for a full quarantine/isolation stay. Omicron is like a highly infectious cold but with a PCR test on day 6 - all arrivals are going to run then risk of all being positive by day 6 though local infection. I think the incubation period for Omicron is 2 days. Once diagnosed it should clear the body 4-5 days later, with a healthy immune system, plus recent vaccinations, and will only manifest mild 'flu like symptoms. Edited December 28, 2021 by samtam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NorthernRyland Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 10 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said: This family is looking for someone to blame, it's clearly the daughter's fault, she was probably out partying, having a good time socializing before her holiday to Thailand, when she should have been in a bubble keeping herself clean before traveling. If you ever trip and fall down or get in a car accident I'll be the first there to laugh in your face while you're on the ground. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAFETY FIRST Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said: If you ever trip and fall down or get in a car accident I'll be the first there to laugh in your face while you're on the ground. Stupid, bloody, antagonizing comment. Childish and bitchy grow up delinquent. BTW, if you ever get run over by a truck or die in a plane crash, I'll be there laughing. Weirdo Edited December 28, 2021 by SAFETY FIRST 1 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChaiyaTH Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) Any sensible family would not travel under the current rules and consequences of a asymptomatic (false) positive test. If you travel alone you could take the risk but with a family it is everyone affected and 3-4-5x the chance one of them hits it. Interesting thing too is that all of those people are in fact double vaccinated while in western countries they still claim it only and mostly comes from unvaccinated people. While there is almost no tourists etc returning I met at least 5 already in the few times I went out, who got positive after vaccinated 1-2 times. So what is left of claiming we have to get the shots to protect others, clearly that is nonsense. Edited December 28, 2021 by ChaiyaTH 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said: Thus young lady has covid and is being taken care off. If she becomes ill and the disease attacks her lungs or she needs an ICU sh is in a good place. What do people suggest the Thai medical authorities should do? I'd let her stay in her hotel room. Most civilised countries just ask infected people that can still breath (almost everyone infected) to stay home. Edited December 28, 2021 by BritManToo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ukrules Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Not correct. TUI Nordic to say that the information, originally published by The Nation, was incorrect. https://thethaiger.com/news/phuket/plans-change-for-30000-tourists-european-travel-firm-cancels-flights-to-phuket I suspect it was correct at the time but they backtracked after some serious government begging to save face. The 'forged quarantine' will be the single thing that destroys the tourism industry in Thailand. Edited December 28, 2021 by ukrules 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunLA Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, BritManToo said: I'd let her stay in her hotel room. ... no profits to be had there. Covid is now a billion dollar business, no more, no less. IMHO 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BusyB Posted December 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2021 I wonder who's paying for it? How's their insurance responded to being hospitalized with no symptoms? Until that kind of thing is clarified, my trip (long-stay) is on hold ... ASQ's one thing, as is sandbox, but 10 days in Bangkok hospital is out of the question. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaiyaTH Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 minute ago, BusyB said: I wonder who's paying for it? How's their insurance responded to being hospitalized with no symptoms? Until that kind of thing is clarified, my trip (long-stay) is on hold ... ASQ's one thing, as is sandbox, but 10 days in Bangkok hospital is out of the question. Don't give those Thais any ideas, as soon foreign insurances refuse they might intubate us and kill us on the IC lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotandsticky Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Cherrytreeview said: The only forkin idiots are people who unnecessarily travel globally when you have a virus that spreads as quickly as measles. Get back in your bunker then......... it is flu season You are clearly not capable of taking the "living with Covid" approach then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Tiger Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 51 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Agreed... Unfortunately the consequences are not ‘clearly outlined’ and there is no ‘general’ policy on the response to positive cases which seem to be addressed on a ‘case by case basis’. Additionally, domestic cases seem to dealt with differently than ‘arriving Test & Go’ or Sandbox cases. Arrival ‘positive' cases (Test & Go / Sandbox) seem to be treated more severely and may be forced to isolate in a Hospitel or Hospital depending on symptoms. However, domestic (i.e. those living here) ‘asymptomatic cases’ to are not automatically sent to quarantine in hospital (i.e. at great expense to a foreigner or their insurance). In the event of a Positive PCR test, people are ‘asked’ to come to hospital and placed under observation for a couple of days. If they remain asymptomatic they are permitted to go home and isolate there. The ‘patient’ is given the option to remain in hospital if they wish. Note: This may vary from hospital to hospital and province to province. However, I know a handful of people (both Thai and foreign) and they have not been forced into hospital for a two week isolation or until testing PCR negative, they’ve been permitted to go home after 2/3 days and isolate there. Families are not separated at all. There are no reports or evidence of this. If one member of the family (a child or adult) tests positive, all are requested to isolate together. Dude! The entire article and subsequent discussion is about travelers entering Thailand from abroad and the separation of a family for an asymptomatic positive test. There is and has been no discussion of current domestic policy. However, the first 1 year {and maybe 1 1/2 year of this thing, I would have to look back to confirm exactly how long} Thailand was absolutely forcing every positive test into a hospital and separating families. The only country in the world to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 hours ago, hotchilli said: Should have stayed home... but you know, some people need to learn the hard way. Hope they enjoy quarantine followed by the trip home. Or maybe they should have booked tickets to a country that does not require test on arrival. When you choose Thailand that requires test on arrival you also have a higher risk ending up isolated. The family did everything they could to arrive in Thailand without being infected. All vaccinated. They even had 6 PCR tests done in total before their flight because the results from their first 3 were delayed and they bought 3 extra tests. Not many has 2 negative PCR tests each before flying.... Not feeling sorry for them, because they knew there would be a risk when they had to take a test on arrival, but i still think it's totally overkill to place people in the hospital when they have no need for treatment and 2 of them were negative and still were after being relocated. A quarantine hotel from the start could have done the trick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherrytreeview Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said: Get back in your bunker then......... it is flu season You are clearly not capable of taking the "living with Covid" approach then. And you are clearly not bright enough to call a virus that has killed over 5 million worldwide and left dear knows how many with long covid, the "flu". Doubt Thailand would be reinstating 7 day quarantine for the "flu". Keep living in a daydream, no global governments are buying your "flu" deflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 32 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said: Any sensible family would not travel under the current rules and consequences of a asymptomatic (false) positive test. If you travel alone you could take the risk but with a family it is everyone affected and 3-4-5x the chance one of them hits it. The need to travel is relative. A few months ago we took the opportunity in the ‘epidemic down turn’ and travelled home to see my father and for my son to spend some time with his grandfather whom he handn’t seen for two years. we knew the risks and figured spending ‘valuable family time’ together is an important memory. We were going to travel again at Christmas but decided there was too much risk by that time. Note: Any positive RT-PCR is followed up with a second test to confirm the absence of a false positive. IF we test positive twice - fair enough, we’d have to quarantine - those risks we all know. 32 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said: Interesting thing too is that all of those people are in fact double vaccinated while in western countries they still claim it only and mostly comes from unvaccinated people. Flawed logic - IF 100% of the people were vaccinated, 100% of the Covid-19 cases would be breakthrough cases - We all know that the vaccines do not offer 100% protection. When a far higher proportion of a population if vaccinated it makes perfect sense that there will be a greater number of breakthrough cases. 32 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said: While there is almost no tourists etc returning I met at least 5 already in the few times I went out, who got positive after vaccinated 1-2 times. You seem to expect vaccination to proved 100% protection which is of course not true. But fewer people will contract Covid-19 if vaccinated than if not, regardless of whether or not you have spoke to 5 individuals who caught Covid-19.... You could follow that up by speaking with 50 tourist who did not catch Covid-19 !!!! 32 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said: So what is left of claiming we have to get the shots to protect others, clearly that is nonsense. Again, flawed logic as you are looking at this from an individual perspective. If there are 100,000 unvaccinated people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 far more of them would contract and spread Covid-19 than if there are 100,000 vaccinated people. In aggregate vaccinations are more effective at offering increased protection to society than no vaccinations. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Virt said: Not feeling sorry for them, because they knew there would be a risk when they had to take a test on arrival, but i still think it's totally overkill to place people in the hospital when they have no need for treatment and 2 of them were negative and still were after being relocated. Thailand still needs to make some revenue somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, hotchilli said: Thailand still needs to make some revenue somewhere. Maybe if Thailand introduced the same 4 levels as Tenerife has, they too could have a tourism industry during this pandemic? https://www.whatsontenerife.com/covid/visiting-tenerife/what-are-the-current-covid-regulations-in-tenerife/ There are a lot of tourist down here on tenerife at the moment where I'm at, so it's not like Omicron has stopped tourism all over the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Virt said: Maybe if Thailand introduced the same 4 levels as Tenerife has, they too could have a tourism industry during this pandemic? https://www.whatsontenerife.com/covid/visiting-tenerife/what-are-the-current-covid-regulations-in-tenerife/ There are a lot of tourist down here on tenerife at the moment where I'm at, so it's not like Omicron has stopped tourism all over the planet. The Spanish Government in Tenerife like dancing even less than the Thai’s Government likes alcohol !!!! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiasurfer Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Daithi85 said: And why do you come to Thailand? Neither for holiday nor for retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 2 hours ago, BritManToo said: I'd let her stay in her hotel room. Most civilised countries just ask infected people that can still breath (almost everyone infected) to stay home. Yes but people don't obey sometimes and just wander around Anyway hotels are not designed for holding sick infectious people. It's a risk for other guests and not fair to them. The thing is people talk about '10 day' but when people get sick they can be ill for weeks. Covid is debilitating for some people. If I pay for a hotel I don't want a family of infected, entitled farangs in my corridor, no doubt ignoring the polite staff and their requests to isolate. At least this Danish family are in a hospital not a grim secure military holding hospital. They are lucky to get decent, civilised caring, medical care and attention. They should he thankful and grateful and cooperative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Just now, The Hammer2021 said: Yes but people don't obey sometimes and just wander around Anyway hotels are not designed for holding sick infectious people. It's a risk for other guests and not fair to them. The thing is people talk about '10 day' but when people get sick they can be ill for weeks. Covid is debilitating for some people. If I pay for a hotel I don't want a family of infected, entitled farangs in my corridor, no doubt ignoring the polite staff and their requests to isolate. At least this Danish family are in a hospital not a grim secure military holding hospital. They are lucky to get decent, civilised caring, medical care and attention. They should he thankful and grateful and cooperative. All the staff are probably infected wherever you go. A few infected foreigners are hardly going to increase your risk. At least the 'holding hospital' is free, I'd prefer that to a 200,000bht bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orinoco Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, asiasurfer said: Neither for holiday nor for retirement. Happy endings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: The need to travel is relative. A few months ago we took the opportunity in the ‘epidemic down turn’ and travelled home to see my father and for my son to spend some time with his grandfather whom he handn’t seen for two years. we knew the risks and figured spending ‘valuable family time’ together is an important memory. We were going to travel again at Christmas but decided there was too much risk by that time. Note: Any positive RT-PCR is followed up with a second test to confirm the absence of a false positive. IF we test positive twice - fair enough, we’d have to quarantine - those risks we all know. Flawed logic - IF 100% of the people were vaccinated, 100% of the Covid-19 cases would be breakthrough cases - We all know that the vaccines do not offer 100% protection. When a far higher proportion of a population if vaccinated it makes perfect sense that there will be a greater number of breakthrough cases. You seem to expect vaccination to proved 100% protection which is of course not true. But fewer people will contract Covid-19 if vaccinated than if not, regardless of whether or not you have spoke to 5 individuals who caught Covid-19.... You could follow that up by speaking with 50 tourist who did not catch Covid-19 !!!! Again, flawed logic as you are looking at this from an individual perspective. If there are 100,000 unvaccinated people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 far more of them would contract and spread Covid-19 than if there are 100,000 vaccinated people. In aggregate vaccinations are more effective at offering increased protection to society than no vaccinations. It's pitiful that your logical, correct statement has to be made. But these FB and YT medical rebels who think they are clever are beyond reach of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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