Cash refused

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, mikebell said:

I was asked to provide a bank card.  Given the scandal about banking locally, I refused. 

Which scandal is that that would affect your paying for a service by card?

 

5 hours ago, mikebell said:

The hotel has lost 800 baht a week from me and my partners.  

Wow.  That'll have them worried.

 

5 hours ago, mikebell said:

My question is; every bank note has the King's head on it; can this legal tender be refused?

Of course it can, when using it to pay for a service.   Banks will never refuse it, though.

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, mikebell said:

Needless to say Facebook messages to the Bangkok management have promised a response but one has not been forthcoming.

That shows how much they need your B800 to survive.

[Morpheus42]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Seems to be the way things are going.  Here in Bangkok, most Starbucks and Subways are now "cashless".

What does it mean? You really cannot pay with cash anymore?!

[mokwit]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Seems to be the way things are going.  Here in Bangkok, most Starbucks and Subways are now "cashless".

Thanks for the headsup. Now I know to avoid them even though I already did.

[Liverpool Lou]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

I was in the UK a few months back and a multitude of entities were refusing to accept cash, airlines have been doing it for years.

It is a controversial issue, my understanding is you have the right to settle a debt in cash but a seller has the right to sell and the debt is yet to be established.

In simple terms it all depends on if you have already obtained the goods or services.

...and only if you're in the UK!

[jacko45k]

25 minutes ago, phetphet said:

Governments, banks and businesses love cashless. More control, more secure, less outlay, less staff, less tax evasion.

I went daft with the tap and go of my UK debit card when last over there.... too damned easy.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

In UK I got so used to using my touch and go card I stopped  carrying cash except  to give to the beggars

I believe they take cards, now, also.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Seems to be the way things are going.  Here in Bangkok, most Starbucks and Subways are now "cashless".

Obligatory?

No.

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No.

Got a 'Yes' and a 'No' so far.... good old TV!

[Liverpool Lou]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That said, a business ‘refusing’ cash seems a little silly, but as does being stubborn and refusing to use a bank card for a simple transaction. 

Maybe they just want the old fogeys (not referring to the OP, obviously) off the table tennis table or out of the hotel?!   

[The Hammer2021]

9 minutes ago, Morpheus42 said:

What does it mean? You really cannot pay with cash anymore?!

in some places....correct London buses have been no cash for years..

[Liverpool Lou]

Just now, jacko45k said:

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No.

Got a 'Yes' and a 'No' so far.... good old TV!

Here's another "no".  Subway is definitely not cashless as a general policy, perhaps some franchisees are being daft, though. 

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Maybe they just want the old fogeys (not referring to the OP, obviously) off the table tennis table or out of the hotel?!   

Too much drooling?

[kokesaat]

One of my 'getting old' fears is getting left behind by technology.  For that reason, not long ago I started using cashless payment.  Like the self-checkouts in the US, cashless payment takes a bit of getting used to.....but in the end, it's easy and convenient to use.  I wouldn't be surprised to see stores have cashless checkouts with a single line for those clinging to their cash.

 

You haven't been forced out of the place, you've chosen to not use a readily available and proven-safe payment system.  

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

What scandal about banking locally ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well we just had a major Thai bank high interest account scam....plus a spate of multiple small deductions from accounts via Debit Cards....

That was an employee's scam, not a bank scam, at one Kasikorn branch out of hundreds in which there were no scams.

 

The small debits were not bank scams and every affected customer had their money refunded very quickly by the Thai banks involved.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Obligatory?

Yes.  Cash not accepted.

Wrong, cash is accepted, maybe the one that you used is the exception.

[Liverpool Lou]

58 minutes ago, itsari said:

Appears to me that the shop owners just want cash for tax avoidance

What do you base that assertion on, got some evidence?  Do you find that shops where you pay cash refuse to issue receipts?

Edited January 12, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[digbeth]

legal tender just means that it can must be accepted as payment for debt, 

as for service or products not yet rendered or consumed, they have every rights to refuse your cash

 

if you had ordered something in a restaurant and eaten it all up, and only learned after the fact that they won't accept cash, that is now their problem as you had valid legal tender 

[JustAnotherHun]

Cashless payments are comfortable and will be the future, but it's another step to total monitoring. A nightmare for data protection.

 

The latest of such Orwellian actions happened in Germany. Police made illegal use of Luca data. Luca is an app exclusively for Covid contact tracing.

[jacko45k]

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That was an employee's scam, not a bank scam, at one Kasikorn branch out of hundreds in which there were no scams.

So the bank keeps saying.... so what is it 1 in a hundred branches scamming or less?

[Don Chance]

You need like Alipay or one of those.

 

The reason i think they are avoiding cash is the risk of covid infection from handling money.

 

The other reason is employees who steal the money. (i have short changed on average once or twice a week this trip, which usually never happens in Thailand.)

Edited January 12, 2022 by Don Chance

[Captain Monday]

In 10 years or so nobody will be passing dirty notes or "renumerating with metallic tender discs"

 

Cash will be banned.

 

Good riddance. 

[Liverpool Lou]

57 minutes ago, Caldera said:

At least they still accept bank cards! I'm more concerned about places that only accept QR code payments. While that isn't a problem for me personally, a foreign tourist can usually neither open a Thai bank account nor a TrueMoney wallet, so how are they going to pay at such a place?

There are such places that only allow QR code payments?   Really?  Where?

[spidermike007]

Call me old school, but I think paying for everything cashless is for wimps.

 

Real men carry cash. 

[JustAnotherHun]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Real men carry cash. 

...and guns :-))

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

That was an employee's scam, not a bank scam, at one Kasikorn branch out of hundreds in which there were no scams.

So the bank keeps saying.... so what is it 1 in a hundred branches scamming or less?

 

 

Sometimes people just put up their own brickwalls and through stubbornness make life more difficult for themselves. 

 

The Op may not enjoy the manner in which he no longer has choice in his payment method, however, the issue really is an insignificant one....   ‘cuttings ones nose off to spite their face’ seems to be the action taken by the Op.... 

 

Just make life easy and go with the flow when its something so simple....

 

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I don’t think I’ve paid cash for anything for the past couple of weeks possibly even a month... 

 

7-11 local DebitCard, Taxi’s (Grab - CC Payment), Food (Grab / LineMan - CC Payment), Supermarket CreditCard, Petrol CreditCard, Tollway Top up - online, transfer to friends if they pay the bill in a restaurant or to play football etc (QR Code / PromptPay)....   even getting my motorcycle cleaned at a local garage - used a QR payment.

 

Exception: I tipped the Staff in a hotel Cash / Also some staff in a restaurant Cash.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Liverpool Lou]

59 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I would call it stupidity on the hotels part. For every 4 persons over 50 weeks is equal tp 160,000 thb.

The OP stated that the hotel has "lost B800 a week", that's B40,000 per year, not B160k, and only if he goes there every week of the year.  How will it ever survive without that annual £870/$1,195?!

Edited January 12, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[sandyf]

34 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

in some places....correct London buses have been no cash for years..

I was at my niece's graduation in China 3 years ago and that is effectively a cashless society. Everyone pays by QR code on a mobile phone, even the old ladies in the market.

One weekend we went up into the mountains for the weekend and our hotel was on the other side of the river from the town centre. There was a small ferry across for about 5 baht and the driver was gobsmacked when I put money in front of him.

Being cashless with that system makes life quite difficult for visitors, I had to give my niece the money and she paid through her account.

[Liverpool Lou]

54 minutes ago, Morpheus42 said:

What does it mean? You really cannot pay with cash anymore?!

It would mean that if it was a fact at every place!

[Ralf001]

I purchased new tires for one of my cars a few weeks ago, went it to square up the bill and on the counter was a hand written invoice.

 

Handed then my credit card and they were visibly annoyed and asked for cash... nope I dont carry that much.

 

asked me to do online transfer... nope I dont do banking on my telephone.

 

begrudgingly they accepted the credit cards, and gave me a printed out invoice from their POS.

 

Am convinced they were doing the dodgy to the company but the credit card scuttled that.