Thailand’s first Omicron variant death reported in Songkhla province

[Bkk Brian]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

The health office in the southern province of Songkhla has reported its first fatality from Omicron variant today (Sunday).

The second was an 84-year-old terminal cancer patient from Udon Thani. She was unvaccinated.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiEnquirer/status/1482952907800838145

[cocoonclub]

4 hours ago, Midwit said:

Death within 28 days of having covid is listed as a covid death. Link the stats saying different please. 

I won’t do your job for you. I just note it’s common for people lacking evidence to ask the other party to prove the opposite. A bit like telling someone “you’re a pedophile, now prove you are not” 

 

Where I come from, doctors record the cause of death, and they know better than you. And even as the biggest conspiracy fairytale believer, a look at the excess deaths clearly shows that Covid deaths certainly haven’t been over- but underreported. 

[n8sail]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

Anyone know how old the 'grandson' is?  If she was 86, its quite possible he was a young man and fully vaccinated. Back from working in Phuket? Pure speculation of course, but worth considering.

 

This omicron seems to ignore vaccination status when infecting people.

As it's not uncommon for young girls especially in rural Thailand only 17-18 years old to end up pregnant, the grandson could conceivably be in his 50s!  ????

RIP Granny.  At least you had a nice long run of it.  Sorry for the family's loss.

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by n8sail

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

That's exactly what's happening, so we're already there. This lunacy has got to stop!

Does any senior politician in a government position in the biggest majority, or even all countries in the world, really want this pandemic to end? Just a question.

[VBF]

9 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Part reason why tallies are so high in the west. Go to hospital with something completely unrelated to covid, contract covid later on but die of the original condition within 28 days and you’re still added to the covid deaths. 

Which is why I say, yet again, that deaths from Covid should be distinguished from deaths with Covid.

At 86, and with Alzheimer's it's possible that even a cold might have killed her. Sadly.

Edited January 17, 2022 by VBF

[VBF]

5 hours ago, Midwit said:

Death within 28 days of having covid is listed as a covid death. Link the stats saying different please. 

Precisely....which is wrong and has been from the very start of the pandemic.  See my post immediately above.

Edited January 17, 2022 by VBF

[KhunLA]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its good to read a factual report with plenty of information so we can draw our own conclusions....

 

It certainly seems that Covid-19 tipped the old dear over the edge into the nether..... I wonder if a regular cold or flu would not have done the same. 

 

Sadly, the vaccines were not enough to prevent serious infection but I continue to believe that vaccines are effective in protecting the vast majority.

 

 

Probably any respiratory bug could have pushed her over the edge, since barely hanging on as it was.

 

Common sense would have dictated, her to be in isolation, as comfy as possible, if possible, during this whole 'situation'.  Though possibly not the easiest thing to do in her Altheimer state.

 

R I P

 

A case where, IF YOU are in the high risk group, then YOU need to take responsibility for keeping YOU safe.  Whatever is needed for that.  Don't expect others to adjust their lives for you.

[Rimmer]

A misleading post and a reply have been removed

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, Midwit said:

Death within 28 days of having covid is listed as a covid death. Link the stats saying different please. 

Not true that all covid positive deaths are reported this way within 28 days unless there is a genuine reason to do so by the medical examiners.  For instance its totally false that a road traffic death is labelled as a covid death just because they were found to be positive beforehand. Plenty of links to give full explanations on how covid deaths are reported in the UK and the 2 different lists they use, however you'll need to do some reading up on it. Then you'll see why what you are stating is incorrect unless you give the required context s well.

 

Deaths that have covid on the death certificate as one of the causes of death are generally higher daily than those within 28 days because of the lag in reporting. You can view this for yourself here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

 

For information on headline contexts:

 

"If someone dies from a non-Covid-19 related cause e.g. Car crash, heart attack, cancer but has received a positive test result within 28 days prior to the death occurring, will that death then be included in the coronavirus daily figures?"

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

 

Or: Behind the headlines: Counting COVID-19 deaths

https://ukhsa.blog.gov.uk/2020/08/12/behind-the-headlines-counting-covid-19-deaths/

 

 

[ChrisKC]

8 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

Possibly the statement of fact - It is an easy get out at the moment to blame Covid and one used too often to keep up the scare tactics IMO 

I am not saying it is a statement of fact- I am saying it was offered to us Readers as such, and that is what I am commenting on! I don't know if fact or not.

 

It might have escaped some Commenters here that a cause of death has be entered on an official death certificate by a qualified Doctor. Why should he circumvent his profession by "blaming" or ascribing death to one cause (for convenience) rather than the one he believes it to be from his actual knowledge of the case?

in any event no-one on this forum has actual real knowledge of the case so can only speculate or express an opinion.

[metisdead]

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[Jimbo2014]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She could have had anther decade..... 

 

 

statistically not.  The average life expectancy for a Swedish woman is about 84.1 years.  Her time had come and she just happened to get Omicron.

[CG1 Blue]

8 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

We never chuck anyone under the bus! Whenever did I mention that? What I am saying is, it´s down to the level of a medium risk normal flu. Then treat it like that!

The UK (a few weeks ahead of Thailand with Omicron) seem to be moving in that direction, thankfully. 

 

The former chief of the UK’s vaccine taskforce says the mass vaccination programme should end after the booster campaign – and Covid-19 should be treated as an endemic virus like the flu.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-vaccine-flu-dr-clive-dix-b1989464.html

[Puccini]

What is the image at the top of the news article linked to in the OP? Is it a death certificate?

 

No. it is not a death certificate.

 

It seems to be this press release of the Songhla Provincial Public Health Office, a Google translation of which is as follows:

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MINISTRY Y OF PUBLIC HEALTH Office Symptoms or flu Songas Provincial Pubte Health O

 

Songkhla Provincial Public Health Office www.skho.moph.go.th

 

January 13, 2012

 

Details of the deceased from Dovid-19, Songkhla Province on January 13, 2022, 1 person as follows:

 

Female, 86 years old, Hat Yai District, history of congenital disease: Alzheimer's disease, voice history: contact with family members. Immunization history : vaccinated : received 2 doses of a da vaccination date 7 Jan '22 Died 12 Jan '22 onset date

 

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Note: The report according to the SorChor., which is the information The death toll between 12 Jan. 65 due to the summary of the death report. Comprehensive information on laboratory results, disease investigations, and treatment conclusions is required.

 

Risk Communication Mission Group 061-1739042, 093-5766411,063-4941577, 063-4941578

 

 

[smiggley]

Lets just blame covid for everything and be bone with it.

[Mr Derek]

Another scaremongering article with a health insurance advert attached.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said:

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She could have had anther decade..... 

 

 

statistically not.  The average life expectancy for a Swedish woman is about 84.1 years.  Her time had come and she just happened to get Omicron.

Your understanding of statistics is flawed.... Statistically she very well could have had another decade left. 

 

(ignoring Thai / Swedish etc) You just quoted the mean average life expectance of 84.1 years for a Swedish woman, but 100% of Swedish women do not live to 84.1 years, some die a lot sooner, some live a lot longer. 

 

So... She 'could’ have lived a lot longer....  attempting to use a statistical ‘mean’ to refute this highlights a misunderstanding of basic stats.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, Mr Derek said:

Another scaremongering article with a health insurance advert attached.

Far from it... this article simple quoted facts and let us draw our own conclusions. 

 

I don’t think anyone is scared that an 84 year old lady died of Covid-19.....

 

Additionally, all Webfact articles come with a health insurance add !!!!  (or at least they do on my page).

[2009]

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hopefully plenty of consideration

I admire your optimism.

 

I wonder which country you think we are in?

[CLUBBER]

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She could have had anther decade..... 

 

 

Not if she had Alzheimer's

[CLUBBER]

15 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

Kind of sad that they have to blame the grandson. Maybe just leave that out of the news as it benefits no one.

I thought the exact same thing there poor guy probably feels horrible enough

[Jimbo2014]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Your understanding of statistics is flawed.... Statistically she very well could have had another decade left. 

 

(ignoring Thai / Swedish etc) You just quoted the mean average life expectance of 84.1 years for a Swedish woman, but 100% of Swedish women do not live to 84.1 years, some die a lot sooner, some live a lot longer. 

 

So... She 'could’ have lived a lot longer....  attempting to use a statistical ‘mean’ to refute this highlights a misunderstanding of basic stats.

 

 

I was being facetious (I'm a statistician)... she also could have died of alzeheimers that very week.  If you check your actuarial tables you may see tht alzheimers hs a higher mortality rate than omicron.

[BangkokReady]

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

the vaccines were not enough to prevent serious infection

In her state, it sounds like any infection would be a serious infection.

Edited January 17, 2022 by BangkokReady

[BangkokReady]

7 hours ago, KhunLA said:

A case where, IF YOU are in the high risk group, then YOU need to take responsibility for keeping YOU safe.  Whatever is needed for that.  Don't expect others to adjust their lives for you.

Yes, the 86 year old woman with Alzheimer's really should have taken more responsibility and been more careful.  Serves her right! /s

Edited January 17, 2022 by BangkokReady

[EricTh]

I wouldn't count this as death from Omicron. At 86, the immune system is not as strong as when younger.

 

It could be other age-related factors as well.

Edited January 17, 2022 by EricTh

[shdmn]

18 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

A little unfair to record this as a death from Omicron, it was probably a contributing factor but the lady was not actually in peak physical condition from the description given.

You mean a bed ridden 86 year old with Alzheimers might not have been in peak physical condition? ????

Edited January 17, 2022 by shdmn

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, CLUBBER said:

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She could have had anther decade..... 

 

 

Not if she had Alzheimer's

Depends when she was diagnosed.... 

 

I’d agree that its unlikely - she was bed ridden and already unwell...

 

But the point is people are writing off as not a Covid-19 death because she was in her 80s and unwell, yet the reality remains that Covid-19 ’stole’ some life from her....   even if it was a year or two, its still time her grandchildren don’t get to spend with her etc...  (even with dementia and bed ridden).

 

 

 

https://www.liftedcare.com/what-is-the-life-expectancy-for-someone-with-dementia/

 

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'General life expectancy for someone with Alzheimer’s is around 8-12 years from diagnosis although this does depend on age and health. If you were relatively fit and healthy on the diagnosis you could live considerably longer than this. People who are diagnosed around the age of 65 tend to decline more slowly than those who are aged 80 or over. But with the right care and treatment, a fit and healthy 80 year old could still live into their nineties'

 

Edited January 17, 2022 by richard_smith237

[shdmn]

2 minutes ago, EricTh said:

I wouldn't count this as death from Omicron. At 86, 

 

It could be other age-related factors as well.

She was a bed ridden 86yo with alzheimers.  Of course it was age related.

 

 

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, EricTh said:

I wouldn't count this as death from Omicron. At 86, the immune system is not as strong as when younger.

 

It could be other age-related factors as well.

My mother is 93 and has no chronic illnesses whatsoever. Furthermore she drinks a bottle of wine every 2 days. If she died of coronavirus it would definitely be attributed to coronavirus and not old age. Unless it can be proved that a terminal chronic illness was about to kill her anyway the death must rightly be attributed to covid. This propaganda about other long term underlying illnesses should stop. It's just pure ignorance.

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, shdmn said:

18 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

A little unfair to record this as a death from Omicron, it was probably a contributing factor but the lady was not actually in peak physical condition from the description given.

You mean a bed ridden 86 year old with Alzheimers might not have been in peak physical condition? ????

Do we have to be in our 30’s in, peak physical condition for a Covid-19 death to be believed. 

 

Even then, there will always be someone arguing that there is some underlying factor that we didn’t know about or wasn’t reported.

 

 

When someone older, or with Asthma or diabetes, or is overweight dies of, from or with Covid (however its reported) where do we draw the line ?

Is acceptable to us that Covid-19 stole 2 weeks of someones life, 6 months, 2 years ??? - where is that line before we accept it as a ‘Covid-19 death’ and stop mentioning, they were going to die soon anyway....

 

 

IF she had died of Pneumonia as a result of Influenza, would some be objecting that Flu was the contributory cause of death ????

 

In this case, Covid-19 was the contributing cause of death - it doesn’t have to be more complex than that.