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The Silent, Vaccinated, Impatient Majority

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16 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

That's what happens when a government wants to make absolutely everything into an us vs them thing and includes matters which require bipartisan cooperation like pandemics.

Many EU, NA Au, and other countries have opposing entities pushing their covid intervention strategies. USA is unique in many ways so I try to reconcile and compare their current covid situation to countries with similarities. Compare apple's to NOT oranges.

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  • To be honest it does sound negative. I think this is great its time that the not vaccinated are learning that their choices have a lot of consequences. It would be even better if they start charging p

  • They're not exploiting anything. They are reflecting the majority public opinion and medical advice.

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    There have been so many lies given to us over the last 2 years I'm not sure this is true is any meaningful way. I won't bother posting stats and links because people don't care but if you're under 60

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1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You are probably going to need a booster every six months for the rest of your life

Nobody can predict the future right now.  Nobody.

 

But according to the experts, it will be bundled with the yearly flu jab, which many of us have been getting for years.  Not sure why this round has been such a big deal....It's just a vaccine, like the others, to help protect you.

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14 minutes ago, chieftan said:

Many EU, NA Au, and other countries have opposing entities pushing their covid intervention strategies. USA is unique in many ways so I try to reconcile and compare their current covid situation to countries with similarities. Compare apple's to NOT oranges.

I was responding to a comment about how the US had achieved a far worse outcome than any of its peer countries. It's all down to politics and the previous guy exploiting low information voters.

39 minutes ago, chieftan said:

The US covid data is good for USA maybe, but no country can claim top spot for Covid deaths like good ole USA can, no country has failed controlling Covid deaths and killed so many people to Covid than USA, but they don’t have Biden “shuttin down the virus” either.

I cannot find any county with a higher death rate than America, so your good guide seems not to apply and is unique only to USA.

USA accounts for 16% of global covid deaths despite having only 4% of the world population. Ouch!

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It’s not simply the top line death rate.

 

The US has reliable data on COVID outcomes v other metrics including vaccination status.

 

Those data relate to the impact of vaccines on COVID outcomes and are applicable globally. 
 

Vaccinated/unvaccinated Americans are a good guide to Vaccinated/unvaccinated people anywhere on the planet.

 

The bigger the data set, the more accurate the alignment.

 

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not simply the top line death rate.

 

The US has reliable data on COVID outcomes v other metrics including vaccination status.

 

Those data relate to the impact of vaccines on COVID outcomes and are applicable globally. 
 

Vaccinated/unvaccinated Americans are a good guide to Vaccinated/unvaccinated people anywhere on the planet.

 

The bigger the data set, the more accurate the alignment.

 

That recent study in LA published by the CDC is quite good.  And covers Omicron.

 

Net?  You're way better off vaccinated than not.  Amazing anyone is still arguing this fact.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7105e1.htm?s_cid=mm7105e1_w

 

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11 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I was responding to a comment about how the US had achieved a far worse outcome than any of its peer countries. It's all down to politics and the previous guy exploiting low information voters.

It’s not simply politics.

 

There are a significant number of Americans who are eager to disbelieve science or more specifically eager to believe arguments (regardless of truth or logic) against science.

 

The reason being, science is the antithesis of their religious beliefs.

 

These people are generally aligned with the Republican Party but their anti science, anti vaccine motivations are religious, not political.

 

As for Trump, well yes he did set the anti-vaccine, anti-science ball rolling amongst his supporters, but he’s since lost control of the ball:

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-booed-booster-shot-covid-b1979739.html

 

 

27 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Nobody can predict the future right now.  Nobody.

 

But according to the experts, it will be bundled with the yearly flu jab, which many of us have been getting for years.  Not sure why this round has been such a big deal....It's just a vaccine, like the others, to help protect you.

Australia's CHO's prediction today :

 

Professor Kelly said Australia was “definitely past the peak” of the current Omicron outbreak but warned it would not be the last wave of the variant or the coronavirus.

 

COVID-19 deaths to rise as country prepares for winter flu and coronavirus wave (smh.com.au)

Just now, LosLobo said:

Australia's CHO's prediction today :

 

Professor Kelly said Australia was “definitely past the peak” of the current Omicron outbreak but warned it would not be the last wave of the variant or the coronavirus.

 

COVID-19 deaths to rise as country prepares for winter flu and coronavirus wave (smh.com.au)

I read a good article on the spanish flu pandemic.  I think it was the 4th wave that was just as bad as the first.  People had gotten tired of battling the virus and let their guard down.  It wasn't a more dangerous variant, just easier to infect people because of their actions.

 

We've seen that here.  Waves after Songkran, etc.

I can't help but think there's a bit of schadenfreude here.

 

Strained US hospitals seek foreign nurses amid visa windfall

 

U.S. hospitals are struggling with a shortage of nurses that worsened as pandemic burnout led many to retire or leave their jobs. Meanwhile, coronavirus cases continue to rise and fall, placing tremendous pressure on the health care system

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-immigration-travel-business-health-525b951967525e75ba40a0a03433c3bf

I suppose the WHO aren't to be believed on this either, lol.

 

The director of the World Health Organization's (WHO) Europe office says the continent is now entering a "plausible endgame" to the pandemic and that the number of coronavirus deaths is starting to plateau.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-04/europe-covid-pandemic-endgame-who/100803914

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I can't help but think there's a bit of schadenfreude here.

 

Strained US hospitals seek foreign nurses amid visa windfall

 

U.S. hospitals are struggling with a shortage of nurses that worsened as pandemic burnout led many to retire or leave their jobs. Meanwhile, coronavirus cases continue to rise and fall, placing tremendous pressure on the health care system

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-immigration-travel-business-health-525b951967525e75ba40a0a03433c3bf

It's slightly off-topic, but the need for teachers is also acute.  Several of my Filipino staff members have left to work in the US.   

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Just now, Scott said:

It's slightly off-topic, but the need for teachers is also acute.  Several of my Filipino staff members have left to work in the US.   

and presumably they will mostly get US citizenship eventually and vote. They probably won't be voting for the party which thinks covid is a nothing burger.

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22 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wouldn't be considering death rates in a city like N Y to be representative of anything except a city like N Y. IMO a city like that has to be about as unhealthy as it's possible to get in a western country. Massive air toxicity, food that has to be trucked in from far away, and probably processed with large amounts of sugar and chemicals, people crammed into unhealthy slums or living rough.

 

Tell me the rate in a rural area where people actually do hard physical work for a living and breath decent air.

"people crammed into unhealthy slums or living rough."

It's worse than you think, people in NYC live in boroughs.

On 2/3/2022 at 11:01 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

You are probably going to need a booster every six months for the rest of your life

"Probably".  Next!

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On 1/28/2022 at 3:35 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetically sad.

 

Scientists and researchers, the vast majority honest and ethical, base their conclusions on the results of their research and evidence and facts, as best as they can ascertain them. And when the research results or the virus changes, then they change to reflect that.

 

On the other hand, the COVID deniers and vaccine skeptics often live in evidence and fact-free worlds of ginned up conspiracy theories and unproven flights of fancy dreamed up by folks huddled in their basements reading and then re-sharing Telegram and Parler posts, or grasping at the 1% fringe loonies in the science and medical fields. That's their version of doing their own research.

 

Okay, so as promised I am getting back to you regarding this comment you made about me being "pathetically sad" for being a "Covid denier" [which I am indeed] living "in evidence and fact-free worlds of ginned up conspiracy theories and unproven flights of fancy dreamed up by folks huddled in their basements": nice prose by the way.

 

So I just wanted to touch base with you here, now that it is emerging that it was indeed planned politically to instill fear among the population under the guise of Covid:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64848106

Matt Hancock: Leaked messages suggest plan to frighten public

 

Are you willing/able to admit you were wrong?

An off topic trolling post has been removed, cease posting among multiple topics the same link or face a warning. There is already a topic covering the post you made

On 1/28/2022 at 3:13 PM, placeholder said:

This, of course, is just another conspiracy theory Apparently, to your way of thinking, most of the virologists and epidemiologists in the world are turning out tons of fake results of research due to their political beliefs or for some other dark motive. Do you have any idea of how crazy your kind of thinking is? 

On 1/29/2022 at 11:07 PM, rattlesnake said:

I will get back to you in due time.

So as promised, I am touching base with you regarding this. 

 

You replied to my claim that "science and religion can be courrupted for political (or other) motives and that is where dogma comes into play" by saying "Do you have any idea of how crazy your kind of thinking is?

 

Now that this is coming out in "approved" media:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64848106

Matt Hancock: Leaked messages suggest plan to frighten public

 

Are you starting to get the point, or is it still not getting through?

 

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