Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[digbeth]

55 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I will be DeadExpatOilWorker by then 😁. 

I think you are right about your Atto 3, just don't take the IP67 rating for granted, just because the manual says so.

Your wish for a flooded Atto 3 is my command. 

 

 

IP ratings are usually done with distilled water too - real condition water with sand and dirt in them could blast through seals and whatnot 

[Bandersnatch]

22 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

 

The solar system was free?

 

It seems to be in your calculation.

Before you reply it’s best to carefully read the post you are responding to so you don’t waste people’s time explaining the obvious.

 

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

charged from excess home solar production.

 

The solar system was installed to remove the need for a PEA connection.

 

 

 

[mistral53]

18 hours ago, Pib said:

 

The posted pictures seem to be those of when the owner moved the car to a higher location (i.e.,a low level of flooding).  The posted pictures could mislead people into thinking a low water level shown in the pictures damaged the battery.   

 

I wonder how deep the water level was where the car actually got flooded....that is, the location "before" the owner moved the car higher ground.  Was it half way up the wheels, etc?   

 

Heck, I've drove thru water as deep as shown in the pictures  for around a kilometer on Rama II Road (part under construction) in Samut Sakhom province last November.  It was not planned....rain storm came quickly...road construction had clogged-up the road drainage pipes...nowhere to get off the multilane highway....the road turned into a traffic jam of thousands of cars slowing moving thru water approx 150mm deep for around a kilometer.  The ground clearage of an Atto 3 is 175mm compared to a 145mm for a Seal.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 9 by mistral53

[ExpatOilWorker]

57 minutes ago, digbeth said:

 

IP ratings are usually done with distilled water too - real condition water with sand and dirt in them could blast through seals and whatnot 

A small city of micro biology might also enter with the Bangkok flood water 💧. 

 

[Pib]

On 10/23/2023 at 7:55 PM, Pib said:

 

We've talked a little bit about ground clearance in relation to driving thru water/flooded area.  As I read my 200 page Atto 3 manual in prep of getting my car this week the manual gives some conflicting info on the depth of water to avoid.  On page 98 is says water depth must not exceed the vehicle's lower edge. The Atto has a ground clearance level of 175mm.   

 

But then just a few paragraphs later on page 99 it says do not drive thru areas where the water level exceeds half the tire height.  I'm assuming where they say "tire" they mean the rubber tire "and" steel rim as if it's the rubber tire portion only then that would only be around 50mm.  Today I measured the halfway height of an Atto setting in a parking lot (hope the owner didn't see me) and it was 330mm from pavement to center of the rim.  

 

Seems to me half way up the wheel...which is 330mm on the Atto should be the safe limit assuming it was a short distance and you keep moving.  In the perfect world where it never rains hard causing standing water on roads the possibly of driving thru water is close to zero, but in the real world and especially in the tropics such as Thailand where rain can quickly cause unavoidable road flooding and big mudpuddles hopefully BEVs with their traction battery on the bottom of the car can handle driving thru water half way up the wheel for short distances especially since the traction battery and high voltage components are suppose to waterproof per IP67 which means waterproof for short periods in up to 1m of water.

 

See three snapshots below.

 

 

 

 

 

I got some additional info with measurements to add to my earlier post above.  After seeing the recent posts regarding the BYD Seal flooding I did some measurements today related to my BYD Atto 3 and road curbs.  That is, just how high my Atto's traction battery is above road level, mid point of my wheels, and how high  a typical road curb is since a road curb can be used to roughly gauge flooding level as you drive along   Yes sir,  I'm crawling around under my Atto to do measurements, making curb level measurements in my Bangkok moobaan, and even a couple curb measurements around a major highway (specifically Phet Kasem Road/Highway #4).   

 

Here's what I found out/measured:

 

Some Atto Measurements made in my carport:

- Atto ground clearance: 175mm as advertised (lowest point of something under the car which is a shield under the drive motor.

- Atto traction battery ground clearance: 200mm (lowest point/bottom of the traction battery)

- Atto traction battery point where bottom aluminum cover connects/seals together with its top fiber cover:  230mm 

- Atto High &  Low Voltage connectors/cables which connect to the traction battery: 250mm (bottom point of connectors where water would first touch)

- Atto middle of wheel height:  330mm

 

Some typical road curb heights:  

- In my Bangkok moobaan: varies from 165 to 185mm...average 175mm.

- Along Phet Kasem/#4 Highway in Nakorn Pathom:  150 to 200mm...but mostly 200mm.  But I did come across a few kilometers on the drive back from the MIL's house where there were some curbs I estimated to be around 300mm (far from being a typical height)...but the great majority of the highway curb level was approx 200mm.

 

So, if a person gets caught in a downpour/flooding and using a soi curb as reference to gauge water depth maybe using 200mm is a good rule of thumb and generally on the conservative side (i.e., probably a little bit of an overestimate since a lot of road curb will be lower at around 150mm).  

 

So, since the Atto traction battery bottom aluminum cover screws together with the fiber top cover is approx 230mm from ground level this is where there would be a "remote" chance of water leaking in.  I say "remote" because a thick rubber seal with about a million screws is used to seal the two covers together) then a 230mm or more water depth should be avoided.   And the HV and LV connectors/cables are approx another 20mm higher before water would just start touch the bottom of the connectors which would be around 250mm ground clearance.  Now these connectors/cables will surely be IP67 types which can keep water out if submerged for short periods as shown in previous post snapshot IP ratings.

 

OK, where does 230 and 250mm reach on an Atto if just looking at the car....see below snaphots.    Now before you look you will notice 230 and 250mm points are below the 330mm mid tire point where BYD says is the high water limit to avoid according to the Atto manual in my above post.    I expect they say mid-tire (330mm) since when wading/moving thru water the front underside of the car is pushing/plowing water away from the front of the traction battery....basically just "splashing" of water onto IP67 connectors/seals.   Moving thru high water is less likely to cause the car to stall than if having to come to a stop which allows the water to level out under the car....that is, reach a higher point/actually submerge some connectors for a significant length of time...if submerged then the likelihood  of a leak increases.

 

1st snapshot: 230mm is where traction battery two halves are sealed together.  Notice it right at the bottom of the car sides....allows an easily visual reference.

 

 

 

2nd Snapshot:  330mm...half way up wheel.    250mm is where water would just begin to touch bottom of High and Low Voltage connectors...and 230mm is where the battery covers seal together...same point as shown in 1st snapshot.

 

 

 

Da end.  Cheers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vinny41]

@KhunLA

This might interest you 2023 MG ZS EV

initial diagnosis full battery replacement not covered by warranty at cost of £22K

Resolution

Cause of damage - Water ingress

The lease company have now admitted that the technicians at the garage are not at the required level to determine if the whole battery needs replacing. Apparently this was not known at the time when sending me the £22K bill
Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

as far as I can make out full battery replacement not required 

No additional cost to end user

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/flood-water-damage-resulting-in-full-battery-replacement.16373/

[transam]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

@KhunLA

This might interest you 2023 MG ZS EV

initial diagnosis full battery replacement not covered by warranty at cost of £22K

Resolution

Cause of damage - Water ingress

The lease company have now admitted that the technicians at the garage are not at the required level to determine if the whole battery needs replacing. Apparently this was not known at the time when sending me the £22K bill
Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

as far as I can make out full battery replacement not required 

No additional cost to end user

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/flood-water-damage-resulting-in-full-battery-replacement.16373/

Oh dear, reads like passing the buck, when we all thought the battery was in a SEALED environment, they seem to be saying, it is not.......😱

 

Obviously not in a SEALED waterproof environment...😱

 

But, you buy cheap, you get cheap, until it comes to fixing it....22,000 quid to fix a cheap Chinese MG........😱

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh dear, reads like passing the buck, when we all thought the battery was in a SEALED environment, they seem to be saying, it is not.......😱

 

Obviously not in a SEALED waterproof environment...😱

 

But, you buy cheap, you get cheap, until it comes to fixing it....22,000 quid to fix a cheap Chinese MG........😱

MG ZS EV is not cheap in the UK prices start from £31,000 or B1,5 million at the moment you could buy 2 MG ZS EV here in Thailand and still have B50,000 left in your pocket

[transam]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

MG ZS EV is not cheap in the UK prices start from £31,000 or B1,5 million at the moment you could buy 2 MG ZS EV here in Thailand and still have B50,000 left in your pocket

Probably because they think they are buying British.....31,000 quid, Blimey.....😱

[ExpatOilWorker]

28 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

@KhunLA

This might interest you 2023 MG ZS EV

initial diagnosis full battery replacement not covered by warranty at cost of £22K

Resolution

Cause of damage - Water ingress

The lease company have now admitted that the technicians at the garage are not at the required level to determine if the whole battery needs replacing. Apparently this was not known at the time when sending me the £22K bill
Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

as far as I can make out full battery replacement not required 

No additional cost to end user

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/flood-water-damage-resulting-in-full-battery-replacement.16373/

What an absolute nightmare for FamilyMan.

SeñorLA better stay home tonight, as heavy rain is moving in.

 

[transam]

When thinking about the UK, I remember driving through deep snow, the snow getting caked everywhere, which has to melt.......hmmmm.

Thankfully no snow here, but plenty of water to deal with....

[BKKBike09]

3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

A small city of micro biology might also enter with the Bangkok flood water 💧. 

 

 

Are those Thai desserts?

 

[BKKBike09]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

@KhunLA

This might interest you 2023 MG ZS EV

initial diagnosis full battery replacement not covered by warranty at cost of £22K

Resolution

Cause of damage - Water ingress

The lease company have now admitted that the technicians at the garage are not at the required level to determine if the whole battery needs replacing. Apparently this was not known at the time when sending me the £22K bill
Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

as far as I can make out full battery replacement not required 

No additional cost to end user

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/flood-water-damage-resulting-in-full-battery-replacement.16373/

 

There's an interesting post in that thread from a guy who says he's an engineer (presume electrical):

 

After seeing the images I wonder if MG can explain how only 1 single connector is damaged by 'the flood damage'. The abs sensors, the dc connectors, the battery heater connector, the master service disconnect plug are all fine! Seems to me like the seal on the battery low voltage connector was damaged at installation and the corrosion has taken this long to break a connection. The connectors are all facing forwards which is a stupid design meaning all the water thrown up while driving hits the connectors. As an engineer I can't see how driving through deep water could cause this damage, the only way this connector could corrode is if water has seeped in and stayed there over a period of time. On the basis that these low voltage connectors are used under a vehicle they should be rated at IP66 at minimum meaning they should be protected against water being projected in powerful jets - car wash, jet wash etc. I think they are using the 'sitting in flood water' as being immersed in water requires a higher IP rating.

 

His point on all the other sensors is a good one. Also about the design of the connectors facing forwards.

 

[BKKBike09]

5 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

I will be DeadExpatOilWorker by then 😁. 

I think you are right about your Atto 3, just don't take the IP67 rating for granted, just because the manual says so.

Your wish for a flooded Atto 3 is my command. 

 

 

Ah, but was the car driveable after this?

 

Don't forget that the Atto has V2L so you can just plug in the wife's hairdryer and you're home and dry in no time!

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

This looks fun. EV owners live a much more exciting live than the rest of us.

 

[BKKBike09]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

This looks fun. EV owners live a much more exciting live than the rest of us.

 

 

Yes - as I've previously commented (back on page 3,604 of this thread) one of the biggest negatives to an EV in Thailand is that public chargers always seem to be in the open. If they can't be ar5ed to provide a roof for customers, they should at least provide a Burmese pump attendant to do all the work for you, as when you fill up with petrol/diesel.

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

26 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

Yes - as I've previously commented (back on page 3,604 of this thread) one of the biggest negatives to an EV in Thailand is that public chargers always seem to be in the open. If they can't be ar5ed to provide a roof for customers, they should at least provide a Burmese pump attendant to do all the work for you, as when you fill up with petrol/diesel.

 

The Burmese worker is reserved for the black gold and shelter is already provided for 😊 😃. 

If you want a caramel macchiato with vanilla sweet cream cold foam you have to leave the beloved EV and go to Amazon. 

 

[Pib]

 

 

 

[BKKBike09]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Burmese worker is reserved for the black gold and shelter is already provided for 😊 😃. 

If you want a caramel macchiato with vanilla sweet cream cold foam you have to leave the beloved EV and go to Amazon. 

 

 

"If you want a caramel macchiato with vanilla sweet cream cold foam you have to leave the beloved EV and go to Amazon" - it appears you can get all the stimulation needed by hugging a wet metal cabinet containing DC high voltage gubbins, so coffee is redundant. Also, Amazon coffee is 5hite. 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

"If you want a caramel macchiato with vanilla sweet cream cold foam you have to leave the beloved EV and go to Amazon" - it appears you can get all the stimulation needed by hugging a wet metal cabinet containing DC high voltage gubbins, so coffee is redundant. Also, Amazon coffee is 5hite. 

 

 

 

 

You drink 5hite?

[ExpatOilWorker]

18 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

"If you want a caramel macchiato with vanilla sweet cream cold foam you have to leave the beloved EV and go to Amazon" - it appears you can get all the stimulation needed by hugging a wet metal cabinet containing DC high voltage gubbins, so coffee is redundant. Also, Amazon coffee is 5hite. 

 

 

 

 

Welcome to the thread BB9. Your humor and common sense is most welcome here, even more so since you are an EV owner.

Since @Pib already has opened the morning with humor, let's celebrate ur arrival with an EV fire 🔥 involving a lot of electricity and a vehicle, but no EV.

 

[Yellowtail]

35 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Welcome to the thread BB9. Your humor and common sense is most welcome here, even more so since you are an EV owner.

Since @Pib already has opened the morning with humor, let's celebrate ur arrival with an EV fire 🔥 involving a lot of electricity and a vehicle, but no EV.

 

You're confused. This is the "Electric Vehicles in Thailand" thread, and humor and common sense are absolutely not welcome here! 

[Bandersnatch]

Why do Toyota ice cars in Thailand come with automatic fire suppression devices?

 

I have never seen them included with EVs here perhaps they are not required?

 

 

 

 

 

[motdaeng]

39 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Why do Toyota ice cars in Thailand come with automatic fire suppression devices?

 

I have never seen them included with EVs here perhaps they are not required?

 

there's a simple explanation for that:

most car owners should know this, internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles

are significantly more likely to catch fire compared to electric cars ... 

 

Edited June 10 by motdaeng

[Pib]

2 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

Why do Toyota ice cars in Thailand come with automatic fire suppression devices?

 

I have never seen them included with EVs here perhaps they are not required?

 

 

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On a serious note, the U.S. CPSC warns against using these fire extinguishing balls.

 

https://www.cpsc.gov/Newsroom/News-Releases/2024/CPSC-Warns-Consumers-to-Immediately-Stop-Using-Elide-Fire-Extinguishing-Balls-Due-to-Failure-to-Extinguish-Fires-and-Risk-of-Serious-Injury-or-Death#:~:text=Washington%2C D.C. — The U.S. Consumer,to serious injury and death.

 

[KhunLA]

On 6/9/2024 at 6:21 PM, vinny41 said:

@KhunLA

This might interest you 2023 MG ZS EV

initial diagnosis full battery replacement not covered by warranty at cost of £22K

Resolution

Cause of damage - Water ingress

The lease company have now admitted that the technicians at the garage are not at the required level to determine if the whole battery needs replacing. Apparently this was not known at the time when sending me the £22K bill
Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

as far as I can make out full battery replacement not required 

No additional cost to end user

https://www.mgevs.com/threads/flood-water-damage-resulting-in-full-battery-replacement.16373/

I wouldn't repair any vehicle for £22k / ฿1M, especially since over 8 yrs old.  That takes a special kind of stupid.

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wouldn't repair any vehicle for £22k / ฿1M, especially since over 8 yrs old.  That takes a special kind of stupid.

How about a 1937 Cord 812 Convertible? 

[vinny41]

59 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I wouldn't repair any vehicle for £22k / ฿1M, especially since over 8 yrs old.  That takes a special kind of stupid.

I don't know where you get the over 8 years old the car in question was a 2023 MG ZS EV

and the final repair cost was zero to the car driver since it went from not covered by warranty to being covered by warranty

Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

[KhunLA]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I don't know where you get the over 8 years old the car in question was a 2023 MG ZS EV

and the final repair cost was zero to the car driver since it went from not covered by warranty to being covered by warranty

Diagnosis - damage to HVM module (located within the battery pack) and corrosion to low voltage connector and wiring.

Repair - Replacement HVM module, repair to corroded wiring and pins in the low voltage connector.

The point of pointing out the £22k was ?

or the whole post for that matter ?

Not sure why that would interest me.

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

The point of pointing out the £22k was ?

or the whole post for that matter ?

Not sure why that would interest me.

Clearly you didn't bother to read the link or you would have understood the article you might be in the same position in the future