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Electric Vehicles in Thailand

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@ExpatOilWorker

 

Never mind my questions above...you must be using DLT stats for July.  Below is partial snapshot for a DLT spreadsheet just for others listening in.   Yeap, BYD ran out of steam for July

 

And notice how Isuzu has been drifting downward pretty much all of this year.....no EVs to sell; just dino fuel vehicles.

 

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  • JBChiangRai
    JBChiangRai

    There's no point arguing with these anti-EV people, even when you educate them over their mistakes, they just repeat their baseless opinions somewhere else.  Frankly, it's tiresome.   I can'

  • i have been looking at a new suv, was thinking of hybrid, or ev, as the price of some brands have been reduced,   but ev's mg zs ev, havel, etc. are ok for short running about trips, but hav

  • JBChiangRai
    JBChiangRai

    Your assumption Thailand will follow, is I believe, false.   Two completely separate markets with separate circumstances.   What kickstarted the EV revolution here was BYD & GW

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33 minutes ago, Pib said:

On the chart is the 1st month Jan and the latest "blue" column for June or July?   Based on your remarks I assume its July?   If correct and since the autolife article was reporting "June" vs July registrations what reference are you using for your July numbers like the BYD 3,262 for year 2025  blue column?.....DLT stats maybe?  

All correct. July and DLT data 

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That’s terrible !

Luckily ice cars figures are believable and honest… 🤦🏼‍♂️

Yesterday a bit (lot) of range anxiety, made a lot easier from the 'complaining passenger'. 

Thought we would get home OK from Khong Kean but wifey was hungry so needed to stop somewhere, 'as long as it is on this main road', so said I. 5 km detour, restaurant closed and difference in car's battery km and map km to home 10km in my favour,  mmmm.

When the battery got down to 2% the battery km disappeared and _ _ _ came up, panic and very helpful Wifey!

So with about 10km to go my 'suggestion machine' said to take a small detour and charge at cousin's place. Another small detour and of course the car charging machine wouldn't work with an earth fault. (good to know as most houses around are single phase no earth, so can't just pull into a local house and charge).

Rang ahead and had someone open the compound gate and rolled into the garage after a while on 1%.

Good learning experience and I suppose Stupidity has to be Punished. 🙂

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14 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Yesterday a bit (lot) of range anxiety, made a lot easier from the 'complaining passenger'. 

Thought we would get home OK from Khong Kean but wifey was hungry so needed to stop somewhere, 'as long as it is on this main road', so said I. 5 km detour, restaurant closed and difference in car's battery km and map km to home 10km in my favour,  mmmm.

When the battery got down to 2% the battery km disappeared and _ _ _ came up, panic and very helpful Wifey!

So with about 10km to go my 'suggestion machine' said to take a small detour and charge at cousin's place. Another small detour and of course the car charging machine wouldn't work with an earth fault. (good to know as most houses around are single phase no earth, so can't just pull into a local house and charge).

Rang ahead and had someone open the compound gate and rolled into the garage after a while on 1%.

Good learning experience and I suppose Stupidity has to be Punished. 🙂

 

i've done 10,000 km with my sealion 7 awd and never had any of those problems … even though i regularly do day trips of over 450 km and have taken multi-day road trips to remote areas in isaan...

 

my tip: if you don't know the exact consumption of your new car, or if your destination or stopover has limited or unknown charging infrastructure, try to find a charging station when your battery is down to 20–30% ... a quick 15-minute toilet break is often enough to solve all your problems ... drive safe ...

17 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i've done 10,000 km with my sealion 7 awd and never had any of those problems … even though i regularly do day trips of over 450 km and have taken multi-day road trips to remote areas in isaan...

 

my tip: if you don't know the exact consumption of your new car, or if your destination or stopover has limited or unknown charging infrastructure, try to find a charging station when your battery is down to 20–30% ... a quick 15-minute toilet break is often enough to solve all your problems ... drive safe ...

Yes you are correct.

There are no charging stations from Kalasin to home and none in Kuchinarai. 

As I said 'stupid', but I will be reminded over the next week.

As with you motdaeng I have to Sealion 7 but wondering if other EVs lose the displayed battery km and go to _ _ _ with about 10km left.

53 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Yes you are correct.

There are no charging stations from Kalasin to home and none in Kuchinarai. 

As I said 'stupid', but I will be reminded over the next week.

As with you motdaeng I have to Sealion 7 but wondering if other EVs lose the displayed battery km and go to _ _ _ with about 10km left.


My Seal lost the km when I got down to 5%.
I often do a 420 km round trip which can be 450/460 with a bit of running around. On occasion i aim to get it just below 10% for the battery balancing with an AC charge overnight .

The time it reached 5% I wasn’t worried as was heading home and knew i would make it but when the km disappeared it was a shock.

Won’t be letting it get down that low again !!

I think the BYD app gives you range below 5%, but it needs confirming.  It does give you range at 5% when the car won't.

2 hours ago, carlyai said:

There are no charging stations from Kalasin to home and none in Kuchinarai. 

 

I am sure you know that many PEA offices have charging stations. But just incase.

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:


My Seal lost the km when I got down to 5%.
I often do a 420 km round trip which can be 450/460 with a bit of running around. On occasion i aim to get it just below 10% for the battery balancing with an AC charge overnight .

The time it reached 5% I wasn’t worried as was heading home and knew i would make it but when the km disappeared it was a shock.

Won’t be letting it get down that low again !!

Yes it's a shock! I know it can't give an accurate km. Good to know still have at least 10km left.

Had aircon, radio, speakers all off and going about 80km/hr. There were a few times I was using 0 kw from my display, also some -kw from the regen breaking I suppose.

Now if they could make a car using mainly 0 kWh and only - kWh ...

 

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3 hours ago, matchar said:

 

I take range specs along with laboratory results (perfect world and with A/C & heating turned off) and real world testing testing (with each world being different) with a HUGE grain of sale.  

 

Like the Atto Extended range numbers above....that 480km lab range is China NEDC specs (pie in the sky....like driving downhill with a tail wind all the time specs)....and in countries that require WLTP specs the Atto Extended range specs is 420Km.  WLTP specs are much tougher/more in-line with real world results "if a person always drives in ECO mode, drives conservatively, doesn't have hills to climb, and even with A/C running." 

 

I have a 2023 Atto Extended range and I "can" get the Atto WLTP range of at least 420km....and during the cooler part of the year I've got up to a 442km real world range driving around here in the greater Bangkok area and surrounding provinces where I rarely exceed 90Km per hour with the A/C on and one passenger (i.e., by wife as the backseat driver).   

 

Now during the hottest part of the year where the A/C has to work extra hard under the bright & hot sun and I'm not being very conservative in my driving then yea, the real world range drops to around 380-400Km based on "me" and where "I" drive....practically no hills involved....good main roads in the greater Bangkok area/surrounding provinces/light breezes....a good amount of speeds in the 60-90kmH ballpark....and even a fair amount of stop-and-go horrendous Bangkok traffic jam traffic.

 

For example below is a 2 Sep 2024 (still hot weather) snapshot of my 2023 Atto display where I was doing a range test and intentionally  draining the battery down to under 10% in order to do a BYD recommended periodic discharge to 10% or less followed by full charge to 100% to recalibrate the BMS/range guess-o-meter circuits.     At 1% charge remaining I was at 419Km with around another 5km of range remaining....when hitting zero I would have had a range of around 425Km which exceeds the Atto's WLTP 420Km rating.    And in other range testing during the cooler part of the year I have reached up to 442km real world range.   I have got real world range test results in the 420 to 442km ballpark numerous times.  

 

 

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with a BIG grain of salt.   

18 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Yes it's a shock! I know it can't give an accurate km. Good to know still have at least 10km left.

Had aircon, radio, speakers all off and going about 80km/hr. There were a few times I was using 0 kw from my display, also some -kw from the regen breaking I suppose.

Now if they could make a car using mainly 0 kWh and only - kWh ...

 


Does anyone know if it has something in "reserve" when it shows -- ?

Similar to petrol cars; my Volvo (petrol) goes down to 10km then will suddenly show ---. Then if I fill it up it'll take around 52 litres meaning there was two litres in the tank. That should get you an extra 25-30kms even though the range says zero. Even though you know that it is still uncomfortable seeing the range display ---.

I was wondering if EVs do something similar? But from web searches it seems 0 really does mean 0?

59 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think the BYD app gives you range below 5%, but it needs confirming.  It does give you range at 5% when the car won't.

With my Atto its remaining range it displays all the way down to at least 1% and 5Km...on both the car display and on the app....and the app is just relaying OBD2 data that the EV range display also shows.   

 

I expect how well calibrated the car's BMS/range guess-o-meter is may determine how the EV's display remaining range is displayed at a very low battery level.  A "few" (not just one) charges well below 10%....like say down to around 5% or a little less should make the EV range display more accurate when dropping below 10% and getting close to 0%....will make the 0 to 10% range more accurate.

 

Since an LFP battery voltage level is very flat between in approx 10% to 95% charged ballpark it's hard for the BMS/range meter to do a good recalibration until the battery is drained to below 10% where the battery's voltage flatness starts to drop significantly which allows the BMS/range circuity to measure a voltage that is significantly lower than the battery's normally "really flat voltage in the 10-95% ballpark....being able to see this significantly lower voltage below 10% a few times permits a better recalibration. 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:


Does anyone know if it has something in "reserve" when it shows -- ?

Similar to petrol cars; my Volvo (petrol) goes down to 10km then will suddenly show ---. Then if I fill it up it'll take around 52 litres meaning there was two litres in the tank. That should get you an extra 25-30kms even though the range says zero. Even though you know that it is still uncomfortable seeing the range display ---.

I was wondering if EVs do something similar? But from web searches it seems 0 really does mean 0?


There are some “ drive it until it dies “ videos on YouTube, Bjorn used to do them as well as others.

I seem to recall some reserve but don’t remember how much or which cars.

 

Here’s one:

 

 

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11 hours ago, carlyai said:

Yes you are correct.

There are no charging stations from Kalasin to home and none in Kuchinarai. 

As I said 'stupid', but I will be reminded over the next week.

As with you motdaeng I have to Sealion 7 but wondering if other EVs lose the displayed battery km and go to _ _ _ with about 10km left.

Seem to be plenty around Kalasin area, and not exactly far apart.  And bottom map has Kuchinarai distrct overplayed (red outline) on to the map, with Elexa  <30 minutes away.   Is that where you live, in which case you'd be charging at home and not need a CS station for about a 200-250 kms radius, in which there are plenty.

 

Why would you ever take you battery down to 2%.  We're rarely, once maybe, went below 20%.   No need to run it that low, or even possible for us, as we need to stop too often when O&A.   I wouldn't take an ICEV down below to 20%.

 

I've been around the whole country, and yet not have a CS available.

 

This map is from Gmap, and far from all inclusive of CS, as vendor apps show more ...

 

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BYD Seal 5 DM-i Plug-in Hybrid

BYD Seal 5 official price (assembled in Thailand)

Seal 5 DM-i Standard

Seal 5 DM-i Premium 699,900 baht*

* Special Early Bird price 699,900 baht from full price 769,900 baht today - 30 September 2025

Vehicle warranty for 6 years or 150,000 km.

High Voltage battery warranty for 8 years or 160,000 km.

Cell Battery Battery Warranty for 10 years

24-hour emergency assistance service for 8 years

Free 1 year first class insurance

Free XUV MAX II ceramic film

Interest rate 1.98% for 48 months

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-byd-seal-5-dmi-plug-in-hybrid/?

On 8/6/2025 at 1:44 PM, matchar said:

Ridiculous price to begin with and still overpriced (also quite ugly imo).

 

I once drove an Ora GoodCat and the steering wheel was made of some kind of flimsy plastic and felt very hollow.

Same here. I've had the Ora Good Cat for one month as a rental. Didn't leave a good impression. And after that a test drive with the MG4. It was a difference like day and night. No brainer I bought the MG4. And still happy with it 

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On 8/7/2025 at 8:04 PM, KhunLA said:

Seem to be plenty around Kalasin area, and not exactly far apart.  And bottom map has Kuchinarai distrct overplayed (red outline) on to the map, with Elexa  <30 minutes away.   Is that where you live, in which case you'd be charging at home and not need a CS station for about a 200-250 kms radius, in which there are plenty.

 

Why would you ever take you battery down to 2%.  We're rarely, once maybe, went below 20%.   No need to run it that low, or even possible for us, as we need to stop too often when O&A.   I wouldn't take an ICEV down below to 20%.

 

I've been around the whole country, and yet not have a CS available.

 

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Leave Kalasin on hw 12. There is a PTT near Global House if I turned left, also another PTT close but on hw 12 but no EV charging. 

So from that last PTT on hw 12 to about 76km from Mukdahan no charging stations. None in Kuchinarai and the next one is at Mukdahan I think.

I could be wrong, but I was wrong once in 1957. 🙂

 

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10 hours ago, CLW said:

Same here. I've had the Ora Good Cat for one month as a rental. Didn't leave a good impression. And after that a test drive with the MG4. It was a difference like day and night. No brainer I bought the MG4. And still happy with it 

 

We did exactly the same, test drove the ORA Good Cat and then bought the MG4

 

8 hours ago, carlyai said:

 

I could be wrong, but I was wrong once in 1957. 🙂

 

 

Marriage?

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The new BYD Seal 5 PHEV is arriving at dealerships already.

 

It looks really nice.

 

 

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On 8/7/2025 at 11:01 AM, Pib said:

 

I take range specs along with laboratory results (perfect world and with A/C & heating turned off) and real world testing testing (with each world being different) with a HUGE grain of sale.  

 

Like the Atto Extended range numbers above....that 480km lab range is China NEDC specs (pie in the sky....like driving downhill with a tail wind all the time specs)....and in countries that require WLTP specs the Atto Extended range specs is 420Km.  WLTP specs are much tougher/more in-line with real world results "if a person always drives in ECO mode, drives conservatively, doesn't have hills to climb, and even with A/C running." 

 

I have a 2023 Atto Extended range and I "can" get the Atto WLTP range of at least 420km....and during the cooler part of the year I've got up to a 442km real world range driving around here in the greater Bangkok area and surrounding provinces where I rarely exceed 90Km per hour with the A/C on and one passenger (i.e., by wife as the backseat driver).   

 

Now during the hottest part of the year where the A/C has to work extra hard under the bright & hot sun and I'm not being very conservative in my driving then yea, the real world range drops to around 380-400Km based on "me" and where "I" drive....practically no hills involved....good main roads in the greater Bangkok area/surrounding provinces/light breezes....a good amount of speeds in the 60-90kmH ballpark....and even a fair amount of stop-and-go horrendous Bangkok traffic jam traffic.

 

For example below is a 2 Sep 2024 (still hot weather) snapshot of my 2023 Atto display where I was doing a range test and intentionally  draining the battery down to under 10% in order to do a BYD recommended periodic discharge to 10% or less followed by full charge to 100% to recalibrate the BMS/range guess-o-meter circuits.     At 1% charge remaining I was at 419Km with around another 5km of range remaining....when hitting zero I would have had a range of around 425Km which exceeds the Atto's WLTP 420Km rating.    And in other range testing during the cooler part of the year I have reached up to 442km real world range.   I have got real world range test results in the 420 to 442km ballpark numerous times.  

 

 

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And today/10 Aug the wife and I did a over a 300km out & about trip for some Sunday site seeing.  It was fairly hot...temp around 35 to 38C during the trip...temp at 37C once arriving back home around 5pm.  A/C set to 23C the whole way.  Mostly highway speed driving in the 70 to 90KmH ballpark (a few kilometers closer to 100KmH) although we ran into a couple of 15 minute traffic jams where we just crawled along for about 15 minutes.  In ECO mode the whole way and I drove conservatively.    Left Bangkok with a 100% charge...drove over towards the Myanmar-Thailand border for a round trip of 318.3Km....around a 75Km of this trip was going up and down  hills close to the border....some of the hills were pretty steep....beautiful scenery.    When we got back home to Bangkok the 2023 Atto Extended range had 22% battery charge remaining with estimated  remaining range of 108Km.   Per the text I added to the image below that equates to a 426.3Km total range, exceeding the Atto's "WLTP" range spec of 420Km.   If I had done the trip in the cooler part of the year like say around Nov to Jan I would have gotten a total range of around 440km based on previous tests I've done.

 

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10 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

The new BYD Seal 5 PHEV is arriving at dealerships already.

 

It looks really nice.

 

 

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Outside looks cool like an older Camry. But the inside cannot compete. 

On 8/2/2025 at 6:40 PM, Andrew Dwyer said:

Here’s another price reduction:

 

Rhetorical question, if they really sold as many as they expected, do you think there would be a need for constant price reductions?

Companies aren't charities, they are obliged to offer the highest returns to their investors.

So even if production costs decrease, they will not offer price deductions, as that would be contradictory to their business plan.

Shame the EV fan club doesn't smell the rat yet.

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7 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Rhetorical question, if they really sold as many as they expected, do you think there would be a need for constant price reductions?

Companies aren't charities, they are obliged to offer the highest returns to their investors.

So even if production costs decrease, they will not offer price deductions, as that would be contradictory to their business plan.

Shame the EV fan club doesn't smell the rat yet.


Personally I think this was a calculated long term marketing strategy. They were entering a new market in a new segment against established legacy marques and they needed to create a stir and change buyer behaviour. They came in with great products at a good price, created a massive buzz.

After a few months reduce the price and create another massive buzz and sales spike. Perhaps do it a third time. The end price is what they always could have sold it for. It is a classic marketing technique.

Whether it is a good technique or not is open to question and you risk alienating early buyers but hey, they've already bought and that is them done for 5-6 years. And in 5-6 years there will be a new hook. That's the only question mark for me - I know I would personally be pissed off if I bought a car and then the price was slashed afterwards, it would taint my perception of the brand.

There is no rat. They are selling great cars at great prices, and that is why sales generally grow.

5 hours ago, TronxII said:

Outside looks cool like an older Camry. But the inside cannot compete. 


It’s more of an Altis segment car, BYD will probably price it cheaper with a far higher spec and performance.

 

As they did the Seal which is a Camry competitor (except it p?ss?s all over the Camry in both spec and performance, eg 3x the bhp).

Thailand eases output requirements for EV makers

Locally made units that are exported will also count towards quotas

Under its EV policy launched in 2022, the government allowed duty-free imports on condition that the domestic EV output of automakers would match the number of imports by 2024, rising to 1.5 local units for every import by 2025.

The Board of Investment (BoI) said on Wednesday that locally produced EVs that were exported would now count towards the target, a shift from the previous policy of counting only locally registered vehicles.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/3078393/thailand-eases-output-requirements-for-ev-makers

BYD to begin exporting Thai-made electric cars to Europe in late August

BYD said the Zhengzhou, which has since departed Laem Chabang for China, will return to Thailand at the end of August. It will deliver a new batch of EVs and then load PHEVs produced at the Rayong factory for shipment to Europe.

The company has not disclosed how many vehicles will be exported in this shipment, or whether they will be the BYD Sealion 6 DM-i or the BYD Seal 5 DM-i models.

The ship measures 199 metres in length and 38 metres in width, with 12 decks and a capacity for 7,000–7,500 vehicles. It runs primarily on LNG, with fuel oil as a secondary source.

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/corporate/40053841

The next motor show in November/December will be the 1st motor show where  made in Thailand EV manufacturers will have the option to either supply the domestic market or export since the export only started earlier this year

Export market command huge profit margin's compared to domestic market it will be interesting to see if large discounts will still be applied during the motor shows or will made in Thailand EV manufacturers choose export over domestic to hit their sales numbers

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Thailand eases output requirements for EV makers

Locally made units that are exported will also count towards quotas

Under its EV policy launched in 2022, the government allowed duty-free imports on condition that the domestic EV output of automakers would match the number of imports by 2024, rising to 1.5 local units for every import by 2025.

The Board of Investment (BoI) said on Wednesday that locally produced EVs that were exported would now count towards the target, a shift from the previous policy of counting only locally registered vehicles.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/3078393/thailand-eases-output-requirements-for-ev-makers

BYD to begin exporting Thai-made electric cars to Europe in late August

BYD said the Zhengzhou, which has since departed Laem Chabang for China, will return to Thailand at the end of August. It will deliver a new batch of EVs and then load PHEVs produced at the Rayong factory for shipment to Europe.

The company has not disclosed how many vehicles will be exported in this shipment, or whether they will be the BYD Sealion 6 DM-i or the BYD Seal 5 DM-i models.

The ship measures 199 metres in length and 38 metres in width, with 12 decks and a capacity for 7,000–7,500 vehicles. It runs primarily on LNG, with fuel oil as a secondary source.

https://www.nationthailand.com/business/corporate/40053841

The next motor show in November/December will be the 1st motor show where  made in Thailand EV manufacturers will have the option to either supply the domestic market or export since the export only started earlier this year

Export market command huge profit margin's compared to domestic market it will be interesting to see if large discounts will still be applied during the motor shows or will made in Thailand EV manufacturers choose export over domestic to hit their sales numbers

They will still fail to hit their sales targets even with domestic sales and exports combined.

 

There is a massive oversupply of EVs and Chinese factories are only operating at about 50% of their capacity. Besides, exports to Europe and the USA will be hit with tariffs.

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