Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

they will do anything to stop him, because they are so afraid he will be re-elected in 2026

 

Please, please, please tell this to Trump.  And by all means, urge him to run in 2026!  ????

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

1 hour ago, GrandPapillon said:

they will do anything to stop him, because they are so afraid he will be re-elected in 2026

 

Come again?

2026? You sure about that?

Trump supporters aren't known for being real precise....5555

[heybruce]

37 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I was just thinking that if the AG refuses to indict and Trump walks scot-free....what's to stop the next incumbent President from doing the same?  What if President Biden, if he were to lose in 2024, never concedes, claims rigged election, gets the states he lost to send in fake electors, VP Harris refuses to certify on 6 Jan 2025, the proceedings are delayed indefinitely, etc. 

 

Of course, Joe Biden is too decent and law-abiding to do such a thing.  But hey, what's good for the goose....

That's why penalties and punishments must be imposed, individuals shamed, laws changed and whatever else is necessary to prevent Jan 6 from ever happening again.

[scorecard]

12 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Interesting, the following May 5 report from NBC News has an even larger number involved...

 

"More than 2,500 people are believed to have entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, while hundreds more committed crimes outside."

 

And it included the following other interesting updates:

 

"a former New York City Police officer who assaulted a D.C. police officer on the day of the riot was found guilty by a jury, a former QAnon supporter from Pennsylvania who helped assault law enforcement officers with a giant "Trump" sign pleaded guilty, and a former Marine who kicked an officer was sentenced to more than two years in federal prison."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/third-oath-keepers-defendant-pleads-guilty-sedition-capitol-riot-case-rcna27294

 

Seems like a fair number of ex military and ex law enforcement types were involved in this... along with a lot of people who after the fact turned out to have had histories of various mental problems, having been on medications, etc etc.

 

Such as, among others, the infamous QAnon shaman and his horned helmet:

 

"The Phoenix man, who suffers from mental illness, and who had subscribed to the bogus “QAnon” conspiracy theory, pleaded guilty Sept. 3 to obstructing a proceeding of Congress, one of six criminal counts he faced when he was indicted."

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/30/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-appeals-conviction-in-trump-capitol-riot-case.html

 

And then there's another kind of illness as well:

 

"The attorney for another Capitol riot defendant named Anthony Antonio blamed his alleged actions January 6 on watching too much FOX News Network during another court hearing in May. That attorney said his client had fallen victim to “Foxitis.”

 

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/qanon-shaman-mental-illness-competent-to-stand-trial-capitol-riots-jacob-chansley-donald-trump-q-anon/65-edec1f29-ff6a-48d8-923c-0cd0c4ed80fd

 

 

Just one point, how come all these inapprorpriate people were recruited into various law enforcement agencies? Some very serious recruitment errors. 

[KarenBravo]

Hmmmm. Historically, the party that isn't in the white house does very well in the mid-terms.

But, this time, due to very unpopular positions held by Republicans, it might not be as large as Republicans hope.

 

The overthrow of Roe vs Wade and what this could mean for Gay marriage and other hard won freedoms.

 

Virtual inaction on mass shootings.

 

Revelations of many Republicans supporting and having a hand in the insurrection.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

If the right questions are asked then the truth will come out but your prejudgments don't help that cause.

 

"I get that you're distorting the fight like hell wording..."

 

Your words and that's a lie because that's exactly what he said.

[connda]

15 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Hmmmm. Historically, the party that isn't in the white house does very well in the mid-terms.

But, this time, due to very unpopular positions held by Republicans, it might not be as large as Republicans hope.

 

The overthrow of Roe vs Wade and what this could mean for Gay marriage and other hard won freedoms.

 

Virtual inaction on mass shootings.

 

Revelations of many Republicans supporting and having a hand in the insurrection.

Do you really believe it was in "Insurrection!"

OK. We need trials and firing squads.  But but but - we need to define "Insurrections" and place all those who meet the definition - left or right - under the magnifying glass of the judicial system.  And place the judicial system under the same magnifying glass using the US Constitution as that which magnifies the so-call Crimes.

Personally I find the US's two party duopoly to be corrupt and amoral, as the ties between political entities and corporate entities are????getting too close to what I consider to be classic fascism. 

"Well you commoners are just useless eaters!"

The commoners can give their political representatives a few dollars; The billionaire class can buy the entire government.  E.g., Soros.  All legal because it was made so.

We live in a sick society in a sick period of time.  And guess what.  It will make the 1930 and 1940s look like a stroll through the park. 

[onthedarkside]

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[Nickelbeer]

I don’t hold out much hope for ever seeing Trump behind bars. The Republicans seem poised to take back the House and Senate, even as SCOTUS behaves like the Taliban and mass shootings become nearly an everyday occurrence. Although I live in Thailand now, I hate to see what the GOP is doing to America and how much support they have from people who will never benefit from anything they do.

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, connda said:

Do you really believe it was in "Insurrection!"

OK. We need trials and firing squads.  But but but - we need to define "Insurrections" and place all those who meet the definition - left or right - under the magnifying glass of the judicial system.  And place the judicial system under the same magnifying glass using the US Constitution as that which magnifies the so-call Crimes.

Personally I find the US's two party duopoly to be corrupt and amoral, as the ties between political entities and corporate entities are????getting too close to what I consider to be classic fascism. 

"Well you commoners are just useless eaters!"

The commoners can give their political representatives a few dollars; The billionaire class can buy the entire government.  E.g., Soros.  All legal because it was made so.

We live in a sick society in a sick period of time.  And guess what.  It will make the 1930 and 1940s look like a stroll through the park. 

"...getting too close to what I consider to be classic fascism." Already very corrupt in erms of lobbying by big companies/industries and getting even closer to being to massively corrupt as in 3rd / 4th world countries and in countries where there's a dictator. And let's be honest trumps aim was/is to be a dictator who calls the shots and tells whatever lies he thinks will make him look good, and has no respect whatever for the well established pillars of democracy; and respect voting rights, vote counting etc., and respect a calm respectful transition of power. But he's basically a dictator who respects none of these important critical factors. And he invoked mobs to help/support him, and including violence. 

[KarenBravo]

45 minutes ago, connda said:

Do you really believe it was in "Insurrection!"

OK. We need trials and firing squads.  But but but - we need to define "Insurrections" and place all those who meet the definition - left or right - under the magnifying glass of the judicial system.  And place the judicial system under the same magnifying glass using the US Constitution as that which magnifies the so-call Crimes.

Personally I find the US's two party duopoly to be corrupt and amoral, as the ties between political entities and corporate entities are????getting too close to what I consider to be classic fascism. 

"Well you commoners are just useless eaters!"

The commoners can give their political representatives a few dollars; The billionaire class can buy the entire government.  E.g., Soros.  All legal because it was made so.

We live in a sick society in a sick period of time.  And guess what.  It will make the 1930 and 1940s look like a stroll through the park. 

Yes, I believe it was insurrection.

Soon as you mentioned Soros, I pigeon-holed you. The familiar Republican bug-bear.

Why didn't you mention the NRA and the gun manufacturers who pour in gazillions

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, Nickelbeer said:

I don’t hold out much hope for ever seeing Trump behind bars. The Republicans seem poised to take back the House and Senate, even as SCOTUS behaves like the Taliban and mass shootings become nearly an everyday occurrence. Although I live in Thailand now, I hate to see what the GOP is doing to America and how much support they have from people who will never benefit from anything they do.

Er..the GOP is not in power.

[Yellowtail]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Lorenzo Boyd, a former director of the Center for Advanced Policing at the University of New Haven, called attempts to downplay the deadliness of the weapons used on Jan. 6 a "false narrative."

 

"I've talked to officers who have done two tours in Iraq who said this was scarier to them than their time in combat," Robert J. Contee III, the acting chief of Washington, D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department, said in January.

 

Yeah, no guns, that's what I meant. 

 

Two tours in Iraq and they were more afraid of pepper-spray and baseball bats? I guess the surge really worked huh? 

[Yellowtail]

So to be clear, a couple hundred guys "heavily" armed with pepper-spray, baseball-bats, stun-guns and broken flag-poles were going to take over the United States Government.

 

It is interesting that generally the same people that argue this is true, are arguing in other thread that semi-automatic fire-arms would be useless against the United States Government.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, no guns, that's what I meant. 

 

Two tours in Iraq and they were more afraid of pepper-spray and baseball bats? I guess the surge really worked huh? 

 

I don't know if there were guns found specifically among the arrested at the Capitol that day, but the insurrectionists definitely had them prepared and ready nearby, at least:

 

Federal criminal complaint against the Oath Keepers:

 

"He conspired with Oath Keepers founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power," according to a court filing.

 

He also joined others in amassing firearms "on the outskirts of Washington D.C. — some distributed across hotels and ‘quick reaction force’ (‘QRF‘) teams — and planned to use them in support of their plot to halt the lawful transfer of power," the filing said."

 

and

 

"He drove to D.C. a day before the riot with an AR-15-style rifle, a pistol, ammunition, body armor, a camouflaged combat uniform, pepper spray, a large walking stick intended for use as a weapon, and a pocketknife, all of which he stored in a hotel room and was prepared to retrieve if called upon to do so, according to plea documents."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/third-oath-keepers-defendant-pleads-guilty-sedition-capitol-riot-case-rcna27294

 

And then there is this from the U.S. Attorney's office for the District of Columbia, which is the lead prosecutor for the Capitol cases:

 

"...including over 75 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer."

 

"Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol including about 80 U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department."

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/one-year-jan-6-attack-capitol

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, no guns, that's what I meant. 

 

Two tours in Iraq and they were more afraid of pepper-spray and baseball bats? I guess the surge really worked huh? 

Yep, 10,000 rioters tends to do that

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used

"In the wake of the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, a popular narrative has emerged: that because rioters did not fire guns that day, they were not really "armed."

 

But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large."

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I don't know if there were guns found specifically among the arrested at the Capitol that day, but the insurrectionists definitely had them prepared and ready nearby, at least:

 

Federal criminal complaint against the Oath Keepers:

 

"He conspired with Oath Keepers founder Elmer Stewart Rhodes to "oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power," according to a court filing.

 

He also joined others in amassing firearms "on the outskirts of Washington D.C. — some distributed across hotels and ‘quick reaction force’ (‘QRF‘) teams — and planned to use them in support of their plot to halt the lawful transfer of power," the filing said."

 

and

 

"He drove to D.C. a day before the riot with an AR-15-style rifle, a pistol, ammunition, body armor, a camouflaged combat uniform, pepper spray, a large walking stick intended for use as a weapon, and a pocketknife, all of which he stored in a hotel room and was prepared to retrieve if called upon to do so, according to plea documents."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/third-oath-keepers-defendant-pleads-guilty-sedition-capitol-riot-case-rcna27294

 

And then there is this from the U.S. Attorney's office for the District of Columbia, which is the lead prosecutor for the Capitol cases:

 

"...including over 75 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer."

 

"Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol including about 80 U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department."

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/one-year-jan-6-attack-capitol

Okay, they were going to overthrow the United States Government with pepper-spray, stun-guns, baseball-bats and broken flagpoles, and once the Capital was secured, they were going to go back to their cars and get their guns. 

 

Yes, that makes a lot more sense, thanks. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So to be clear, a couple hundred guys "heavily" armed with pepper-spray, baseball-bats, stun-guns and broken flag-poles were going to take over the United States Government.

The number of people alleged to have entered the Capitol Building that day has been estimated at between 2000 and 2500....  and the number who have been criminally charged thus far is around 800.

 

And if by take over the U.S. government, you mean prevent Congress to confirm the election of a new president and then try to have the election results returned to the states, yes, once they broke past the Capitol police, there were enough of them to accomplish that task -- had the lawmakers not fled first ahead of advancing mob.

 

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

If the right questions are asked then the truth will come out but your prejudgments don't help that cause.

 

Pretty sure the truth is out there for those who want to see it. More evidence is coming out but no surprises.

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So to be clear, a couple hundred guys "heavily" armed with pepper-spray, baseball-bats, stun-guns and broken flag-poles were going to take over the United States Government.

 

It is interesting that generally the same people that argue this is true, are arguing in other thread that semi-automatic fire-arms would be useless against the United States Government.  

So to be clear, nobody claimed they "were going to take over the United States Government".

[Phoenix Rising]

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So to be clear, a couple hundred guys "heavily" armed with pepper-spray, baseball-bats, stun-guns and broken flag-poles were going to take over the United States Government.

 

It is interesting that generally the same people that argue this is true, are arguing in other thread that semi-automatic fire-arms would be useless against the United States Government.  

If the traitors that occupied the Capitol had brought semi-automatic weapons and had they been met with regular army troops there would be no need for any trials, only burials, so the argument still stands.

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

So to be clear, nobody claimed they "were going to take over the United States Government".

So what is an insurrection if not an attempt to take over the government?

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33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Er..the GOP is not in power.

But the majority of justices on the Supreme Court were nominated by Republican Presidents and approved by Republican Senate. And they are pursuing an agenda that favors interests traditionally allied with Republicans.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So what is an insurrection if not an attempt to take over the government?

Look up its meaning

 

violent uprising against an authority or government.

[candide]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So what is an insurrection if not an attempt to take over the government?

There is no such restrictive definition of an insurrection.

The courts and the Jan. 16 committee don't accuse them of overtaking the government, no one in this thread claimed that they were going to overtake the government.

You are just posting a lame argument over and over.

 

[scorecard]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But the majority of justices on the Supreme Court were nominated by Republican Presidents and approved by Republican Senate. And they are pursuing an agenda that favors interests traditionally allied with Republicans.

All of which is beyond belief in most other countries. Open comment by presidents/their teams etc., that they will install justices who strongly support the GOP agenda. Beyond belief. 

[GrandPapillon]

2 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Come again?

2026? You sure about that?

time flies I mean 2024 of course ????

 

[Nickelbeer]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Er..the GOP is not in power.

Not yet and not officially. Trump could well have a second term since roughly half of American voters seem to support him. The GOP effectively runs the legal system with its mostly Catholic Supreme Court and there are still enough Republicans in elected office to do a lot of damage. 

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, Nickelbeer said:

Not yet and not officially. Trump could well have a second term since roughly half of American voters seem to support him. The GOP effectively runs the legal system with its mostly Catholic Supreme Court and there are still enough Republicans in elected office to do a lot of damage. 

And what do you think is being done to the USA right now that isn't damaging?