Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[oliverX]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"...incurred the same wrath..."

 

Incur wrath? Is that MAGA speak for getting prosecuted for your crimes?

He was dully arrested for breaking the law. Ok

The leg iron restraints used by FBI during the lawful arrest may be a tad excessive for a 73 year old charged with a process crime.

[oliverX]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Not on Fox News, he's not. I'm wondering what BS  Fox's PR department is cooking up to excuse its lack of coverage of one of the most significant events of America's history.

They can hardly say Rupert told me not to report on it.

Pretty sure it aired on FOX Business Network (shows being aired Friday on my system).

[oliverX]

3 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

The late Ben Carson was a brilliant brain surgeon and rabid Trump fan.

If referring to Ben Carson, Trumps former  Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, he is not dead.

[Jingthing]

Just now, oliverX said:

If referring to Ben Carson, Trumps former  Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, he is not dead.

You win.

[Phoenix Rising]

16 minutes ago, oliverX said:

He was dully arrested for breaking the law. Ok

The leg iron restraints used by FBI during the lawful arrest may be a tad excessive for a 73 year old charged with a process crime.

He's considered a flight risk. Putting leg irons on such a person seems prudent and I fervently wish they'll use the same equipment when they come for Trump.

[Lacessit]

16 minutes ago, oliverX said:

Pretty sure it aired on FOX Business Network (shows being aired Friday on my system).

The rest of the networks are covering the hearings live, Fox is not.

Fox has been in bed with Trump for so long it would be difficult for them to admit they were supporting a President who incited an insurrection.

[300sd]

You mean intelligent people would even bother to watch this sham?

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

He's considered a flight risk. Putting leg irons on such a person seems prudent and I fervently wish they'll use the same equipment when they come for Trump.

IMO a straitjacket would be more appropriate.

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, 300sd said:

You mean intelligent people would even bother to watch this sham?

You are missing an "e" at the end of the sentence.

[KarenBravo]

51 minutes ago, oliverX said:

In a perfect world it should make a difference, as long as you have evidence. If you can recall certain liberal law makers hollered up and down all day every day about all the concrete evidence of the Russian conspiracy against Trump only now this "evidence" is showing the real culprits in the Russia investigation, and it ain't Trump or anyone in is group or they would all have incurred the same wrath as P Navarro recently experienced. Need some evidence, if J6 committee had it Trump and others would be behind the pipes.

Muller report. No collusion (Trump's team too stupid) but at least 20 counts of obstruction.

 

[moogradod]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

not confused at all, the committee has the power to "advise" the JD on their findings and expectations

.......and this advice should have the effect that the Justice Department takes action resulting in locking him up as somebody said above. If it does not and even a possibility of a late reelection is possible I doubt that democracy (at least in the current construction) is the right model for the US. Decisions may only work if the ones that decide are knowledgeable about the subject. Otherwise you get average decisisions and not the optimum ones at best. You may get totally wrong decisions in the worst case.

 

I come from Switzerland, a country where they have a system called "direct democracy" with the aim that the people decide more or less every single bit directly (they decide on laws directly) regardless of their qualifications. In some provinces (Kantone) they still even do this by hand raising today. And they are proud of it as can be - regarded as the holy cow and the best system there ever was and is and ever will be.

 

But this may lead to strange and definitely wrong decisions if you look at the benefit of everybody. Because not only the masses (numbers of votes) should decide. It should be quality before quantity. Or would you let a bunch of farmers decide on new medical surgical procedures ? Or making far reaching decisions in this complex world which more and more nobody fully understands ? Votes by the masses may at best be average in quality. Otherwise I would not trust a lawyer to decide on methods of cheese production.

 

Somehow we do have the same situation in the US as far as I understand. I am far from discriminating other people. But some people are limited on some subjects. Democracy assumes that this is not the case it seems. But people should only be allowed to vote on something they thoroughly understand and it seems that millions on this continent (US) do not know what they are actually voting for and if this would be of benefit for all in the long run.

 

On top the election system seems to even support unfortunate outcomes where it depends on money (public relation before an election) of how many people you can deceive into something a selected few deem favourable because it serves them (as a minority) the most.

[PuaSai]

15 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

Republicans Respond to January 6 Hearings by Defending Trump

No remorse, no accountability

...

The committee’s implicit request was that conservative Republicans who may have voted for Trump at least denounce the most heinous final stage of his coup, when the president was refusing to call in any defense of the besieged Capitol and telling his aides that Mike Pence deserved to be lynched. Their response arrived in real time: They do not believe Trump or his minions should be held accountable.

 

(more)

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/06/january-6-hearings-republican-response-defend-trump-insurrection-riot.html

 

 

 

 

This NY MAG Rag is a joke and all this January 6 stuff is preempted propaganda  for the November elections.  The demonrats know they have done a <deleted> job so far and are panicking they will lose many seats because of their ineptness.

[spidermike007]

Though I do not expect it to ever happen, it would sure be fun to see Don Don wearing an orange jumpsuit, and imprisoned. He sure deserves that, for a lifetime of crimes. 

 

In previewing future testimony, committee member Liz Cheney said: "You will hear that President Trump was yelling and, quote, 'really angry at advisors who told him he needed to be doing something more' and aware of the rioters' chants to 'hang Mike Pence'."

She added: "The President responded with this sentiment: 'Maybe our supporters have the right idea.' Mike Pence, quote, 'deserves it'."

 

Very elegant and distinguished behavior on the part of the disgraced ex-president. 

 

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, oliverX said:

In a perfect world it should make a difference, as long as you have evidence. If you can recall certain liberal law makers hollered up and down all day every day about all the concrete evidence of the Russian conspiracy against Trump only now this "evidence" is showing the real culprits in the Russia investigation, and it ain't Trump or anyone in is group or they would all have incurred the same wrath as R Stone and P Navarro recently experienced. Need some evidence, all the J6 bluster airing on cable news outlets aside, if J6 committee had it Trump and others would be behind the pipes.

You would be more convincing if you would apply to yourself the concern for precision you are advocating.

 

The Russia investigation was not a conspiracy, several facts have been established and several of Trumps allies for his campaign convicted. 

 

Contrary to what you claim the recent "evidence" did not show who the "real culprits" are. The IG found that the investigation was properly predicated, and Durham's investigation failed to provide evidence contradicting it. He only found evidence of Clinton's campaign leaking dubious information (the Alfa server data) to the press. Wow! A politician leaking dubious information against opponents to the press! Sussman's trial also confirmed that the Alfa server information has not been used by the FIB.

[klauskunkel]

15 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

“Ivanka Trump was not involved in looking at, or studying, Election results. She had long since checked out and was, in my opinion, only trying to be respectful to Bill Barr and his position as Attorney General (he sucked!),” Trump posted on Truth Social, the social media platform he helped found.

Wow. Very atypical. He doesn't call her names, doesn't bad-mouth her character or mock her, he doesn't even threaten her. What's up with that?

Oh, same last name.

[mikeymike100]

8 hours ago, JohnOFphon said:

Liz Cheney for president. 

Love the sarcasm, keep it up!

[Resident Alien]

I really do not care who is US president, but...

 

If the Republicans win big in November and:
a. impeach President Biden,

b. impeach VP Harris,
AND
c. elect Trump as the speaker of the House of Representatives,

 

could Trump be President again in 2023 before a general election?

 

[LarrySR]

2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

You think one could be intelligent and still vote for Trump? 

There are some smart ones and they know Trump is an imbecile... but they bond over the racism thing.

 

[oliverX]

19 minutes ago, Resident Alien said:

 

If the Republicans win big in November and:
a. impeach President Biden,

b. impeach VP Harris,
AND
c. elect Trump as the speaker of the House of Representatives,

Would not need to impeach anyone, just retake control of the house and the majority could elect anyone, including Trump for the speakers role.

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Though I do not expect it to ever happen, it would sure be fun to see Don Don wearing an orange jumpsuit, and imprisoned. He sure deserves that, for a lifetime of crimes. 

 

In previewing future testimony, committee member Liz Cheney said: "You will hear that President Trump was yelling and, quote, 'really angry at advisors who told him he needed to be doing something more' and aware of the rioters' chants to 'hang Mike Pence'."

She added: "The President responded with this sentiment: 'Maybe our supporters have the right idea.' Mike Pence, quote, 'deserves it'."

 

Very elegant and distinguished behavior on the part of the disgraced ex-president. 

 

Trump, the cowardly Commander In Chief was definitely AWOL while his supporters went to war with Capitol police.

What would happen to a military officer that sent the troops into a battle zone then went and watched TV for a few hours?

 

[Jingthing]

44 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Love the sarcasm, keep it up!

I think Liz Cheney will.run for president as a third party candidate and she could win.

 

Her base

 

GWBush fans / Neocons

Old style real reublicans

Conservatives

Pro life

Westerners

Rural

Right of center moderates including some democrats

Anti Trumpists

[Skeptic7]

9 hours ago, Excel said:

So what will be the potential outcome of this US TV prime time committee hearing extravagance if Trump is clearly shown to be the main ringleader in these riots ? Will he just be allowed to carry on with his untrue rhetoric/lies or could he face a criminal prosecution ?

Ideally the latter, but Slimy Don...nothing ever sticks. 

[RichardColeman]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Not on Fox News, he's not. I'm wondering what BS  Fox's PR department is cooking up to excuse its lack of coverage of one of the most significant events of America's history.

I think you are wrong. I watch Fox news - and Tucker ???? - and most all of the commentators and guests on there say that those responsible for the rioting in the building should be held responsible and punished. The problem with the 'hearing' is it is about as much TV nonsense as the recent Clinton Susmann fiasco judgements of a man clearly guilty ! Even Tucker agrees with the prosecution of the rioters ! The right is agreeing with the prosecution of them - but you never see that response by the left Biden cronies ! Fox just wont cover one-sided nonsense.

 

Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ? The left are just as much to blame as any right wingers that took part by ignoring any threat - will we see that on the 'hearing'. Will the left be prosecuted for failure to act ? 

 

Meanwhile not a sausage over the BLM riots, murders and mass pilfering ! Here's hoping that when useless Biden loses the senate and house that the right now starts the prosecution of all those on the left for ignoring riots and fanning the flames of the BLM

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

7 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I think you are wrong. I watch Fox news - and Tucker ???? - and most all of the commentators and guests on there say that those responsible for the rioting in the building should be held responsible and punished. The problem with the 'hearing' is it is about as much TV nonsense as the recent Clinton Susmann fiasco judgements of a man clearly guilty ! Even Tucker agrees with the prosecution of the rioters ! The right is agreeing with the prosecution of them - but you never see that response by the left Biden cronies ! Fox just wont cover one-sided nonsense.

 

Also was it not Trump that asked for 20,000 troops for the day and the left turned the troops down ? The left are just as much to blame as any right wingers that took part by ignoring any threat - will we see that on the 'hearing'. Will the left be prosecuted for failure to act ? 

 

Meanwhile not a sausage over the BLM riots, murders and mass pilfering ! Here's hoping that when useless Biden loses the senate and house that the right now starts the prosecution of all those on the left for ignoring riots and fanning the flames of the BLM

 

 

 

Oh yes? Was it not Trump who said Pence deserved it? Hasn't he called the committee political thugs?

 

Quote:

It was reported on February 12, that McCarthy called Trump asking for help during the riot. Trump refused to send the National Guard, saying, "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are". McCarthy responded, "Who the <deleted> do you think you are talking to?" This was reported to CNN by multiple Republican members of Congress, including Jaime Herrera Beutler and Anthony Gonzalez.

 

The BLM comment is classic look over there, this thread is about Trump's role in the riot.

 

Thanks for letting us know you are happy to post lies in support of whatever argument you think you have.

 

[Resident Alien]

44 minutes ago, oliverX said:

Would not need to impeach anyone, just retake control of the house and the majority could elect anyone, including Trump for the speakers role.

Guess you missed the question.

 

If Biden and Harris are impeached AND Trump is elected as speaker,

could Trump be President again in 2023 before a general election?

 

It might never happen, but could this happen based on the presidential line of succession?

So maybe not Trump, but anyone who is elected speaker could be US president next year.

 

[ozimoron]

26 minutes ago, Resident Alien said:

Guess you missed the question.

 

If Biden and Harris are impeached AND Trump is elected as speaker,

could Trump be President again in 2023 before a general election?

 

It might never happen, but could this happen based on the presidential line of succession?

So maybe not Trump, but anyone who is elected speaker could be US president next year.

 

Don't get your hopes up. Finding a senate super majority to impeach both Biden and Harris would be extremely difficult and would likely doom the GOP at every election for a generation thereafter. It would  also require both to be impeached simultaneously for the same crime and that isn't going to happen.

[connda]

Good.  Let the Congressional committee attempt to throw him in jail and let the SCOTUS sort it out.

There is too much partisan politics involved here and I don't like either side. 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, LarrySR said:

Trump, the cowardly Commander In Chief was definitely AWOL while his supporters went to war with Capitol police.

What would happen to a military officer that sent the troops into a battle zone then went and watched TV for a few hours?

 

he/she would be sitting on a nice comfortable couch seeping some cold beers..... pretty much like Putin 555

 

[ozimoron]

17 minutes ago, connda said:

Good.  Let the Congressional committee attempt to throw him in jail and let the SCOTUS sort it out.

There is too much partisan politics involved here and I don't like either side. 

They don't have the power and nobody on the planet suggested they might do that.

[Resident Alien]

31 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Don't get your hopes up. Finding a senate super majority to impeach both Biden and Harris would be extremely difficult and would likely doom the GOP at every election for a generation thereafter. It would  also require both to be impeached simultaneously for the same crime and that isn't going to happen.

I really do not care who is US president.

But thanks for the insight. Guess we will wait and see what happens next.