26 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Completely disagree with your jaundiced views on those fleeing terror and persecution. 

They are not. They only things they are fleeing are their own women and families. Perhaps the police in their own countries too?

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

so you would admit to not have any basis for holding that opinion?

I don't think that its just a coincidence that the U.K is now getting rid of bogus asylum seekers at exactly the same time as when genuine Ukrainian refugees have nowhere to stay in the UK and thus cannot get to the UK to become refugees , that is the basis of my opinion 

Just now, Loiner said:

They are not. They only things they are fleeing are their own women and families. Perhaps the police in their own countries too?

As I said- jaundiced. 

Some great news just coming out. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/14/european-court-humam-right-makes-11th-hour-intervention-in-rwanda-asylum-seeker-plan?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

As I said- jaundiced. 

No, true. 

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, true. 

Nope. 
 

Still good news coming through as posted by myself above. 
 

Kudos ECHR. 

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Prove it. 

Not even going to bother trying. Is that a problem for you?

Just now, Loiner said:

Not even going to bother trying. Is that a problem for you?

I would expect nothing less. 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I would expect nothing less. 

You should certainly not expect anything more. 

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You should certainly not expect anything more. 

Good for you, know your limitations. 

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. 
 

Still good news coming through as posted by myself above. 
 

Kudos ECHR. 

The U.K have now stated they intend to leave the ECHR , European Court of human Rights .

   Thats why we left the E.U. to stop Europe interfering with our affairs 

  

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have now stated they intend to leave the ECHR , European Court of human Rights .

   Thats why we left the E.U. to stop Europe interfering with our affairs 

  

Don’t care. 
 

Still great news. 

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Don’t care. 
 

Still great news. 

Is that because you support anyone who plays against England ?

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is that because you support anyone who plays against England ?

Deflection and off topic. 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

They are not. They only things they are fleeing are their own women and families. Perhaps the police in their own countries too?

Correct, undocumented males, these bunch of wet wipes on this topic make me laugh, they probably don't even live in the UK. 

29 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have now stated they intend to leave the ECHR , European Court of human Rights .

   Thats why we left the E.U. to stop Europe interfering with our affairs 

  

Sadly, the good old conservative British traditions are falling apart....????

 

"The Council of Europe set to work creating a human rights convention. Again, Churchill was an advocate; he proclaimed:

“In the centre of our movement stands the idea of a Charter of Human Rights, guarded by freedom and sustained by law.”

That ‘Charter of Human Rights’ of which Churchill spoke was named the European Convention on Human Rights."

 

https://eachother.org.uk/wrote-european-convention-human-rights/

 

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Sadly, the good old conservative British traditions are falling apart....????

 

"The Council of Europe set to work creating a human rights convention. Again, Churchill was an advocate; he proclaimed:

“In the centre of our movement stands the idea of a Charter of Human Rights, guarded by freedom and sustained by law.”

That ‘Charter of Human Rights’ of which Churchill spoke was named the European Convention on Human Rights."

 

https://eachother.org.uk/wrote-european-convention-human-rights/

 

I really doing think that idea behind that law was to give anyone the "Human right " to  go and live in any Country they want to go and live in . 

   The "human right" to sail in a boat and live in the Country of your choice .

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Because it is. 

hilarious, care to elaborate?

 

Would it be OK to send them to, say the US if they accepted?

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Completely disagree with your jaundiced views on those fleeing terror and persecution. 

What, in France?

2 hours ago, sungod said:

hilarious, care to elaborate?

 

Would it be OK to send them to, say the US if they accepted?

It would be the right thing to allow those fleeing terror, violence and persecution entry to the uk. 

ECHR orders flight cancelled:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/14/european-court-humam-right-makes-11th-hour-intervention-in-rwanda-asylum-seeker-plan

8 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K have now stated they intend to leave the ECHR , European Court of human Rights .

   Thats why we left the E.U. to stop Europe interfering with our affairs 

  

Johnson really is intent on destroying the international reputation of the UK.

 

However, this particular piece of idiocy is handing his many enemies within the Tory party exactly the excuse they need to get rid of him.

 

 

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

They are not. They only things they are fleeing are their own women and families. Perhaps the police in their own countries too?

Projection?

Inflammatory, unsubstantiated post reported and removed.  

 

11 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

It is. The uk govt should be ashamed that they didn’t allow them entry by safer means. 

The UK does offer safe passage, they need to follow the process as the Ukrainian refugees do. If you choose to cut corners and enter illegally and place yourself at risk, thats not the UK's fault. No one is forcing them on boats at gun point in France.

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

They are not. They only things they are fleeing are their own women and families. Perhaps the police in their own countries too?

If I wanted to leave my wife and family, I wouldn't bother spending my life savings to travel across a continent or two, and then risk drowning crossing one of the world's busiest shipping lanes 

I'd merely move to the next province, Nong Khai, and start wearing shades along with the face mask when outdoors.

32 minutes ago, sungod said:

The UK does offer safe passage, they need to follow the process as the Ukrainian refugees do. If you choose to cut corners and enter illegally and place yourself at risk, thats not the UK's fault. No one is forcing them on boats at gun point in France.

Don't share your point of view on who is at fault regarding refugee policy.

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

It would be the right thing to allow those fleeing terror, violence and persecution entry to the uk. 

Take some in then, whilst you are there.....????

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson really is intent on destroying the international reputation of the UK.

 

However, this particular piece of idiocy is handing his many enemies within the Tory party exactly the excuse they need to get rid of him.

The Tories were given a large majority (in part) to deal with illegal immigration.  If the UK public wanted open borders they would have voted for the Labour Party.  

 

I don't really understand why this is so difficult to get right.   If the problem is that lawyers can prevent the deportations then surely the simple solution is to make sure it's legal to do so.   It's my understanding that laws can be changed, and if the democratically elected government want to change laws to make sure something they promised they would sort out prior to being elected happens, then they should just do so, including withdrawing from ECHR if that is the problem.   

 

Personally I'd change the law to only allow legal aid to be claimed by UK citizens and not just anyone who rocks up on a rubber dinghy.   When the money runs out those "virtuous lawyers" will lose interest pretty quickly.   

55 minutes ago, transam said:

Take some in then, whilst you are there.....????

Or do what I do, pay my taxes and have absolutely no objection to a tiny fraction of my taxes being spent helping people in need.