Pattaya Bar Girls are Lazy

[Kenny202]

Bar girls are lazy? Hardly a revelation lol. The thing that has changed and probably dramatically after covid and them looking for other income streams is so many of them have gone online now. Only fans etc. Even a very ordinary / older village woman seem to be able to attract a few hundred subscribers at $10-$30US a pop per month. All that money for sitting on their ring and lets face it, even the most ordinary looking Thai woman scribs up a million dollars with a bit of make up and a g string. I reckon the bars will struggle to get staff...as if they weren't unmotivated and lazy enough before heads buried in their phones. This will just drive prices up and guys coming here for P4P will look elsewhere. Bars where fun places 8 - 10 years ago when I first came here but just got gradually worse. I haven't been in one for a very long time. Usually get abused the minute you walk in the door if you don't start buying lady drinks. 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Bar girls are lazy? Hardly a revelation lol. The thing that has changed and probably dramatically after covid and them looking for other income streams is so many of them have gone online now. Only fans etc. Even a very ordinary / older village woman seem to be able to attract a few hundred subscribers at $10-$30US a pop per month. All that money for sitting on their ring and lets face it, even the most ordinary looking Thai woman scribs up a million dollars with a bit of make up and a g string. I reckon the bars will struggle to get staff...as if they weren't unmotivated and lazy enough before heads buried in their phones. This will just drive prices up and guys coming here for P4P will look elsewhere. Bars where fun places 8 - 10 years ago when I first came here but just got gradually worse. I haven't been in one for a very long time. Usually get abused the minute you walk in the door if you don't start buying lady drinks. 

Abused before you even get by the door it seems.  Walking down Sukhimvit in Bangkok at 9pm is like running the gauntlet.  All I want to do is finish my walk home with the GF in peace, but out they run from Soi 7 and from the massage places  even by the Hotel with the Bar below, which I never knew existed, yes I have lived in BKK for many years but I do not hit the bars except for Hilary 1 on Saturdays for live music once a month.  Of course there are tons of ladyboys lining the street from terminal 21 on up to Nana.

[proton]

24 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Having lived in a small farming community for close to 20 years, this has most definitely been my observation. Practically zero trickle-down moolah being splashed around. Only remittances I've ever seen being sent home are for child care for the bar girl's own children, and usually it's just the bare minimum, i.e., 3-5K/mo.

 

I am sure some of the top lookers might pull in well over 30K a month, but I am inclined to believe that the 20-30K figure is true for many girls, especially with tourism struggling.

 

If that's true, that goes a long way towards explaining why there has been a precipitous drop in the quality of women attracted to the industry. 12K working a nine to five job compared to 20K to put up with all the stresses of sex work starts looking pretty good.

 

I thought the OP was very informative.

 

If NOT lazy they can rake it in, 20 years ago a GF was earning 80k a month at Baccara on Soi Cowboy and the Eden girls were making 100k a month minimum. The amounts they charge these days should easily be as much.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What is better value elsewhere? Looking at sexy girls dancing?

Personally I think gogo bars are the best place to see what you get. How do they move? Are they interested to make customers happy or do they look more in the mirror and at their phone? And how is their mood today and now?

Go-go  bars are certainly an option, although what you see may not be what you get in terms of performance in a different environment.

Personally, I used to prefer the massage shops, the massage prior gives plenty of time to make an evaluation. True, the girls are plainer. However, I found they made up for that with enthusiasm.

[freedomnow]

4 hours ago, bolt said:

and to be honest working in a bar looks like fun most days.

...till they're getting drilled by an 80-year-old guy that looks like Golum.

[Kenny202]

20 minutes ago, proton said:

If NOT lazy they can rake it in, 20 years ago a GF was earning 80k a month at Baccara on Soi Cowboy and the Eden girls were making 100k a month minimum. The amounts they charge these days should easily be as much.

I think those stories are fantasy. A hot looking girl with her head screwed on its possible but generally from what I have heard first hand 20-30k a month.....at best. They are out of action for at least a few days of the month, then they are sick here and there and like most Thais have a win or get a big tip and have a few days off. Then the cost of living in these areas isn't cheap. Not to mention they pi$$ it away on gambling etc as fast as they make it. None of them I have ever met usually have more than a few changes of underwear and that is girls working for at least a few years. Have a look at the cheap clothes, phones and bags they have. Never usually have even a motorbike.

I am not saying it's not possible for the smart sharp ones to make some coin but its not the norm in my experience. Having lived in villages I can see how at first they may think its glamorous but it's not a good life for them. very dog eat dog particularly with their co workers. Ever seen them fighting in the soi? Then every night or most nights they are back to a room with a stranger. That has to be scary on some level. they must see some attraction in it though as that's where most of them seem to end up again, even after marrying a decent bloke and having a family.

[ed strong]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There is one little detail which you don't mention: What's the alternative?

For many girls the alternative is to get f@$#54 by their Thai bf who is possibly drunk and just comes from another girl.

If the girls have the alternative of a drunk Thai guy who wants money or drunk farangs who pay money then the decision is not so difficult.

And yes, I know there are also nice Thai guys who take care of their girls - at least in theory they should exist.

scummy options which ever way they look, from the north and no education, they have no hope of making it so have the accept the tripe that is on offer!

[ed strong]

3 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I think those stories are fantasy. A hot looking girl with her head screwed on its possible but generally from what I have heard first hand 20-30k a month.....at best. They are out of action for at least a few days of the month, then they are sick here and there and like most Thais have a win or get a big tip and have a few days off. Then the cost of living in these areas isn't cheap. Not to mention they pi$$ it away on gambling etc as fast as they make it. None of them I have ever met usually have more than a few changes of underwear and that is girls working for at least a few years. Have a look at the cheap clothes, phones and bags they have. Never usually have even a motorbike.

I am not saying it's not possible for the smart sharp ones to make some coin but its not the norm in my experience. Having lived in villages I can see how at first they may think its glamorous but it's not a good life for them. very dog eat dog particularly with their co workers. Ever seen them fighting in the soi? Then every night or most nights they are back to a room with a stranger. That has to be scary on some level. they must see some attraction in it though as that's where most of them seem to end up again, even after marrying a decent bloke and having a family.

For the average bar girl yes this is the case, but certainly not high end go go bar girls and some of the smart bar girls, whom some are getting 3 x 30k from foreignors straight into their bank account and they are not even here.

 

The top go go dancers can and will do at least 3 or 4 customers per night, if they are Japanese customers then they can easily claw in 20 - 30k per night. Ok they might not be able to do it every night but they dont need to. Work hard for a week or two and then holidays with your monies. Easily done for many.

[Kenny202]

1 minute ago, ed strong said:

scummy options which ever way they look, from the north and no education, they have no hope of making it so have the accept the tripe that is on offer!

It is not exactly like that. And not making any judgements here as not to sure if I was a good looking girl with little hope living in poverty if I wouldn't be doing the same thing. There is plenty of work for them in factories etc and that's what normal girls do. Can earn up to 15-20k per month with OT. Very, very small percentage of Isaan girls become hookers and the ones that do are no different from the hookers back home. Lazy, broken. Attraction of what seems like an easy glamorous life and easy money. They aren't generally good human beings toiling away and being exploited to send money back to their families. Normal deal is they leave a kid in the village....mum or grandma looks after the kid and girls sends back around 2000-3000 baht a month for the kids upkeep....which the grandparents normally p$$ up the wall on gambling or grog. The rest the girl p$$es up the wall herself. Everyone happy. The kid grows up with abandonment issues, broken in some way and thus the cycle continues

[ed strong]

8 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

It is not exactly like that. And not making any judgements here as not to sure if I was a good looking girl with little hope living in poverty if I wouldn't be doing the same thing. There is plenty of work for them in factories etc and that's what normal girls do. Can earn up to 15-20k per month with OT. Very, very small percentage of Isaan girls become hookers and the ones that do are no different from the hookers back home. Lazy, broken. Attraction of what seems like an easy glamorous life and easy money. They aren't generally good human beings toiling away and being exploited to send money back to their families. Normal deal is they leave a kid in the village....mum or grandma looks after the kid and girls sends back around 2000-3000 baht a month for the kids upkeep....which the grandparents normally p$$ up the wall on gambling or grog. The rest the girl p$$es up the wall herself. Everyone happy. The kid grows up with abandonment issues, broken in some way and thus the cycle continues

You say you are not making any judgement, yet the the last few sentences are exactly that. Yes its a desperate life either way but to suggest all the parents and grand parents are drunks and the kid has no hope is not realistic of what happens.

 

Prostitution is a very different scene back home, for eg if i took a girl bar girl out in Phuket, everyone there is going to know i picked her up and am paying for the priveledge, they will also be from the north so any resident or southern girl is going to really look down on this girl from the north. However if i hired an escort in the UK no one would have any idea she was on the game, no waitress or anyone would talk down to her and no one would realise i was paying her. So to make comparisons of what are to very different situations.

[Kenny202]

7 minutes ago, ed strong said:

You say you are not making any judgement, yet the the last few sentences are exactly that. Yes its a desperate life either way but to suggest all the parents and grand parents are drunks and the kid has no hope is not realistic of what happens.

 

Prostitution is a very different scene back home, for eg if i took a girl bar girl out in Phuket, everyone there is going to know i picked her up and am paying for the priveledge, they will also be from the north so any resident or southern girl is going to really look down on this girl from the north. However if i hired an escort in the UK no one would have any idea she was on the game, no waitress or anyone would talk down to her and no one would realize I was paying her. So to make comparisons of what are to very different situations.

A delusional person who probably doesn't live in Thailand....certainly never lived in a village and will perhaps learn the hard way. You my friend are the sort of guy they target. The knights in shining armor thinking they are saving the girl, when the last thing she wants is to be saved,,,,,even though that's not what she said. I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, Grecian said:

Omg! Somebody has taken too many blue pills. That old "Thai man no good" line.

how about choosing single

Some girls do, some go with Toms.  The reality is, sadly, that many Thai women expect it and believe it to not only be normal but what they deserve.  Many also cannot get out once they are in as the guy will kill them.

[ed strong]

6 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

A delusional person who probably doesn't live in Thailand....certainly never lived in a village and will perhaps learn the hard way. You my friend are the sort of guy they target. The knights in shining armor thinking they are saving the girl, when the last thing she wants is to be saved,,,,,even though that's not what she said. I would have agreed with you 10 years ago. Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.

Ive lived in Thailand and so has my family. Ive never tried to 'save' anyone.

 

'Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.'

 

 You cant compare your home to Thailand thats the biggest mistake people make when living in Thailand, like apples and oranges. Go to parts of Northern India and you wont even be let into shops, let alone touch anyone. No Thailand is not quite like that but its closer than what you are used to in your home country.

 

If you are from UK/ US and from a bad background or broken home you dont have to go on the game to get a decent wage, there are plenty of options, in fact if you dont work and have kids you get given a home and a wage. That doesn't happen in 3rd world countries.

 

 

[BangkokReady]

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Pattaya Bar Girls are Lazy

Aren't most prostitutes generally lazy?  People make out like there is no choice, but there are girls who work food and service jobs to make ends meet.  Maybe they're mostly not pretty enough to go on the game, but I'm sure some are.  There are obviously Thai girls who choose to work hard for their money.

[Kenny202]

2 minutes ago, ed strong said:

Ive lived in Thailand and so has my family. Ive never tried to 'save' anyone.

 

'Poor little things putting up with those horrible sweaty old men. How is it different back home lol? You think there aren't people grow up in broken homes, bad backgrounds and live in or near poverty wherever you come from? They are not judgements by the way, they are facts.'

 

 You cant compare your home to Thailand thats the biggest mistake people make when living in Thailand, like apples and oranges. Go to parts of Northern India and you wont even be let into shops, let alone touch anyone. No Thailand is not quite like that but its closer than what you are used to in your home country.

 

If you are from UK/ US and from a bad background or broken home you dont have to go on the game to get a decent wage, there are plenty of options, in fact if you dont work and have kids you get given a home and a wage. That doesn't happen in 3rd world countries.

 

 

I am not comparing cultures...I am comparing hookers. And they don't have to go on the game here in anyway. What makes you think "they have no choi" because they told you that? lol. The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself. Is it a better life style for them as a hooker or is it preferable to working in a factory? that would be up to the person. And this is where I am not making judgements. It would certainly be preferable to working on a farm. 

[Lucky Bones]

What?

You been to the wrong bars.

[Oblomov]

2 hours ago, timendres said:

There are many. But they have zero interest in bargirls.

Very true, all my Thai friends for a start - There are also many westerners who've been around Asia for decades and also never got involved in the whole bar thing. 

[ed strong]

4 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

I am not comparing cultures...I am comparing hookers. And they don't have to go on the game here in anyway. What makes you think "they have no choi" because they told you that? lol. The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself. Is it a better life style for them as a hooker or is it preferable to working in a factory? that would be up to the person. And this is where I am not making judgements. It would certainly be preferable to working on a farm. 

'The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself.'

 

That's hilarious, i guess you need to research up on that 'fact'

 

The average wage for those actually employed is about 22,00 baht, not easy to live on.

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, ed strong said:

However if i hired an escort in the UK no one would have any idea she was on the game, no waitress or anyone would talk down to her and no one would realise i was paying her.

You old and fat, she young and pretty = John + hooker in any country in the world. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, freedomnow said:

...till they're getting drilled by an 80-year-old guy that looks like Golum.

Your post has the assumption bar girls are so desperate they would have sex with any punter. As I have seen them employ evasion techniques with some real dregs of society, I doubt it's true.

I don't think bar girls worry too much about looks. I am pretty sure being drunk, sweaty and dirty turns them off.

[Kenny202]

49 minutes ago, ed strong said:

'The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself.'

 

That's hilarious, i guess you need to research up on that 'fact'

 

The average wage for those actually employed is about 22,00 baht, not easy to live on.

Brother.... I don't know where you are living but you are obviously thinking about another country. 22,000 may be be the actual average wage but I can tell you your average Thai working an unskilled job will be on 8000-12000 baht per month. And no its not easy to live on but they do. I am not saying its a great life but its not poverty either. And they certainly do have a choice re working in bars. Why they usually live with someone else and share expenses. 22000 baht most low / middle income Thais could live on reasonably comfortably and be envious of anyone who got that. So what are you arguing? The minimum wage or unemployment rate? Thailand's unemployment rate was 0.72%. I need to research lol? You continue to make a public fool of yourself.  

[Kenny202]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Your post has the assumption bar girls are so desperate they would have sex with any punter. As I have seen them employ evasion techniques with some real dregs of society, I doubt it's true.

I don't think bar girls worry too much about looks. I am pretty sure being drunk, sweaty and dirty turns them off.

Pretty sure many of the bars the girls aren't supposed to refuse a customer. Particularly farang owned bars. I mean the girl may still try it on but I have had a few bar girls tell me that. They aren't mean to pick and choose. that doesn't stop them from being disinterested and distant though. Bars in Soi Nana, particularly one big group management don't seem to care how the girls treat the customers. Many borderline abusive

 

[Lemsta69]

3 hours ago, starky said:

Cmon mate. You gotta play to your audience. Thai man no good,  I only love man (insert country here), you so hansum.  I like fat man no like skinny too much. Young man no good for me old better same you. 

  Oh you so big tilac. Etc etc etc.

 

I live for this ????????????

[1FinickyOne]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

good one Brit Man... 

 

 

[1FinickyOne]

28 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Why they usually live with someone else

fear of ghosts

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, Kenny202 said:

Pretty sure many of the bars the girls aren't supposed to refuse a customer. Particularly farang owned bars. I mean the girl may still try it on but I have had a few bar girls tell me that. They aren't mean to pick and choose. that doesn't stop them from being disinterested and distant though. Bars in Soi Nana, particularly one big group management don't seem to care how the girls treat the customers. Many borderline abusive

 

Why would you want a girl that said no?

That'd be too much like having a wife.

 

Sit at a table with a drink, let them approach you.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, ed strong said:

'The unemployment rate here is one of the lowest in the world. That's where you are deluding yourself.'

 

That's hilarious, i guess you need to research up on that 'fact'

 

The average wage for those actually employed is about 22,00 baht, not easy to live on.

I presume you mean B2,200 a week? I know that is about what a girl in 7/11 or Lotus gets. Say B9000 a month.

 

Most probably live at home with parents, but if not, a room comes to about B2000 a month, electric another B500, phone/internet B250. B6000 a month or so food and spending money, maybe a bit more if they share the room.

 

Not a lot, but they seem to manage...

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Kenny202 said:

Pretty sure many of the bars the girls aren't supposed to refuse a customer. Particularly farang owned bars. I mean the girl may still try it on but I have had a few bar girls tell me that. They aren't mean to pick and choose. that doesn't stop them from being disinterested and distant though. Bars in Soi Nana, particularly one big group management don't seem to care how the girls treat the customers. Many borderline abusive

 

I have no experience with Bangkok bars, mine were in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai, where AFAIK the ownership is mainly Thai, and female. Perhaps that means they will side with the bar girls more.

As BritManToo has posted, I would not have wanted any bar girl who did not want me, no matter how beautiful she was.

I always dressed neatly, clean clothes and never ever got drunk. IMO that gave me a head start, pun intended.

 

[Kenny202]

23 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have no experience with Bangkok bars, mine were in Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai, where AFAIK the ownership is mainly Thai, and female. Perhaps that means they will side with the bar girls more.

As BritManToo has posted, I would not have wanted any bar girl who did not want me, no matter how beautiful she was.

I always dressed neatly, clean clothes and never ever got drunk. IMO that gave me a head start, pun intended.

 

I agree 100%, if she has an attitude in the bar its only gonna get worse back home. But I have seen guys insist go go girls go with them, complain to mamasan etc even when its clear she doesn't want to go with the guy.

[david555]

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