Brexit: UK's divorce bill from EU could rise to £42.5bn

[Loiner]

53 minutes ago, RayC said:

I wouldn't have thought that unilaterally breaking an international agreement was the best way to win friends and influence the wider international community.

The wider international community don't care. They are lining up to sign trade agreements and invest in the UK. They already know what the EU is like and would probably like their own opportunity to stick it back to the bloc too.

[Loiner]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

The EU should pay in any case. Why is France full of these people waiting for boats? 

The EU should be heavily fined by the UK for every illegal that has ever entered from Europe by any route. Deduct the amounts from what they think we owe for the Brexit divorce settlement.

[candide]

45 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The wider international community don't care. They are lining up to sign trade agreements and invest in the UK. They already know what the EU is like and would probably like their own opportunity to stick it back to the bloc too.

They didn't line up. Most of them just continuated the agreements they signed with the EU.

Actually, UK exports to non EU countries even decreased.

 

"However, there is little sign to date of UK goods exports to non-EU countries making up for lower exports to the EU, with the former down 18 per cent on 2019 levels.^b"

"While additional trade with other counties could offset some of the decline in trade with the EU, none of the agreements concluded to date are of a sufficient scale to have a material impact on our forecast."

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

[baboon]

14 minutes ago, candide said:

They didn't line up. Most of them just continuated the agreements they signed with the EU.

Actually, UK exports to non EU countries even decreased.

 

"However, there is little sign to date of UK goods exports to non-EU countries making up for lower exports to the EU, with the former down 18 per cent on 2019 levels.^b"

"While additional trade with other counties could offset some of the decline in trade with the EU, none of the agreements concluded to date are of a sufficient scale to have a material impact on our forecast."

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

You do realise you won't get anywhere with these people using facts...?

Just make something up and demand it to be taken as the truth.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The delays were because of technical issues on the French side and nothing to do with Brexit 

 

French police blame ‘unexpected technical incident’ in Channel Tunnel for Dover delays

 

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/22/french-blame-unexpected-technical-incident-for-dover-delays-17053127/?ico=related-posts

From the article you have linked:

 

“But EuroTunnel responded by saying the incident had absolutely nothing to do with a malfunction on its end. 

Its director of public affairs John Keefe told the BBC: ‘The incident at the port started overnight well before a minor technical incident in the Channel Tunnel.

‘There is absolutely no correlation between the two. It had absolutely nothing to do with problems at the Port of Dover.’”

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

The wider international community don't care. They are lining up to sign trade agreements and invest in the UK. They already know what the EU is like and would probably like their own opportunity to stick it back to the bloc too.

Are sure about that?

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-loses-foreign-investment-crown-to-france-after-two-decades-at-top-57cllp0g9

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

From the article you have linked:

 

“But EuroTunnel responded by saying the incident had absolutely nothing to do with a malfunction on its end. 

Its director of public affairs John Keefe told the BBC: ‘The incident at the port started overnight well before a minor technical incident in the Channel Tunnel.

‘There is absolutely no correlation between the two. It had absolutely nothing to do with problems at the Port of Dover.’”

Yes, that was said by the British end of the Euro tunnel , saying that the technical malfunction is nothing to do with the Dover end of the line .

   That was said by the British end saying that the malfunction wasn't at Dover .

   Did you not read the report  properly and did you think that that was the French denying it was a malfunction at their end ?

   It was said by the British stating that there was no problem with the UK end of the channel tunnel and that the technical malfunction was at the French end of the tunnel 

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, that was said by the British end of the Euro tunnel , saying that the technical malfunction is nothing to do with the Dover end of the line .

   That was said by the British end saying that the malfunction wasn't at Dover .

   Did you not read the report  properly and did you think that that was the French denying it was a malfunction at their end ?

   It was said by the British stating that there was no problem with the UK end of the channel tunnel and that the technical malfunction was at the French end of the tunnel 

Here’s the salient bit.

 

All of the checks and the delays associated with the checks are a direct result of checks being necessary.

 

The checks are necessary because the UK chose a hard Brexit.

 

And it’s going to get worse, biometric checks are being introduced later this year.

 

Luvly-Jubly.

[pegman]

15 hours ago, wombat said:

Regaining sovereignty of UK?

Why are they still paying money to a club they no longer belong to?

Obligations my good man, obligations. One can't go to a restaurant then eat and dash. One's bill needs to be paid. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s the salient bit.

 

All of the checks and the delays associated with the checks are a direct result of checks being necessary.

 

The checks are necessary because the UK chose a hard Brexit.

 

And it’s going to get worse, biometric checks are being introduced later this year.

 

Luvly-Jubly.

Yes, passports need to be checked , happens for Brits arriving in the U.K as well .

   Not sure why you think it will get worse with biometric checks , because all those checks can be done by scanning the passport  and no need for humans to check .

   But anyway, these current delays are because of a technical fault in France and nothing to do with Brexit 

[Loiner]

53 minutes ago, baboon said:

You do realise you won't get anywhere with these people using facts...?

Just make something up and demand it to be taken as the truth.

Have you been having any success with that? The left and Remainer tactic is to take somebodyelse's made up propaganda, usually lefty bible Garuniad or some EU affiliated organisation, then try to pass that off as the truth. Let me tell you - that isn't working either.

[baboon]

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Have you been having any success with that? The left and Remainer tactic is to take somebodyelse's made up propaganda, usually lefty bible Garuniad or some EU affiliated organisation, then try to pass that off as the truth. Let me tell you - that isn't working either.

Have I been having  any success with what?

[tgw]

14 hours ago, James105 said:

From the article: 

 

"Mr Clarke's statement says the increase is "primarily due to the most recent valuation of the UK's obligation under Article 142 for EU pensions"

 

UK taxpayers money going into the EU pension trough.   Quite why the people of the UK voted to leave the EU remains one of life's little mysteries.  

it's not a mystery, the Brexit campaign was built on lies and used Ruzzian money for its campaign, as well as the Ruzzian social media disinformation capabilities. Cambridge Analytica and similar groups were used to influence gullible voters. Same people who helped Trump.

I suggest the "EU bills" be paid by Farage and friends, should be no problem with the 45 million GBP a day that the UK now saves... or does it ?

 

Ruzzia planted its cancerous seeds into the West a long time ago. It's Putin's work, now it looks all clear, he was a KGB agent, a real spy, his job decades ago was already about finding ways to destabilize the West.

And that he did since he came to power.

He bankrolled diverse opposition groups, the extreme right, but also probably the extreme left, the jellow jackets in France, France's Le Pen had Russian money too, there are most certainly countless others. Add to that Cambridge Analytica, Brexit, Trump and the massive troll campaigns against anything Western governments sponsor, etc.

Anything to undermine the credibility of Western governments. The Ruzzians also trolled against Western measures against Coronavirus.

Edited July 23, 2022 by tgw

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, passports need to be checked , happens for Brits arriving in the U.K as well .

   Not sure why you think it will get worse with biometric checks , because all those checks can be done by scanning the passport  and no need for humans to check .

   But anyway, these current delays are because of a technical fault in France and nothing to do with Brexit 

Oh, so all that extra paperwork for freight lorries, nothing to do with Brexit.

 

And perhaps you never travelled this route pre-Brexit, it was never a mess like this.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, candide said:

They didn't line up. Most of them just continuated the agreements they signed with the EU.

Actually, UK exports to non EU countries even decreased.

 

"However, there is little sign to date of UK goods exports to non-EU countries making up for lower exports to the EU, with the former down 18 per cent on 2019 levels.^b"

"While additional trade with other counties could offset some of the decline in trade with the EU, none of the agreements concluded to date are of a sufficient scale to have a material impact on our forecast."

https://obr.uk/box/the-latest-evidence-on-the-impact-of-brexit-on-uk-trade/

 

'From: https://obr.uk/about-the-obr/who-we-are/

 

The OBR is led by the three members of the Budget Responsibility Committee (BRC). They have executive responsibility for the core functions of the OBR, including the judgements reached in its forecasts.

 

The BRC are supported in their work by the OBR’s permanent staff of 35 civil servants.

 

Permanent staff of 35 civil servants. 555

[candide]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

'From: https://obr.uk/about-the-obr/who-we-are/

 

The OBR is led by the three members of the Budget Responsibility Committee (BRC). They have executive responsibility for the core functions of the OBR, including the judgements reached in its forecasts.

 

The BRC are supported in their work by the OBR’s permanent staff of 35 civil servants.

 

Permanent staff of 35 civil servants. 555

The OBR doesn't invent the statistics it used, which are CPB, OECD and ONS.

As for its assessment,  other reports from other sources come to similar conclusions.

 

Anyway, if you think the OBR analysis is biased  why don't you show us an analysis from a reliable source, which contradicts the OBR. ????

[baboon]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh, so all that extra paperwork for freight lorries, nothing to do with Brexit.

 

And perhaps you never travelled this route pre-Brexit, it was never a mess like this.

Private cars, too. Do they contain any taxable or banned goods en route to EU countries? 

But how you and others remain patient in the light of the rank idiocy posted by Brexit fantasists on here, deserves quite a bit of respect.

[Harveyboy]

18 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I vote we keep every penny and say it is reparation for all the migrants the EU has allowed to travel to the UK and their subsequent social services and benefits bill for the years ahead. 

great idea

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

<snip>

   But anyway, these current delays are because of a technical fault in France and nothing to do with Brexit 

Events are disagreeing with you.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Events are disagreeing with you.

I was speaking to a French lady today who works at Eurostar and She told me that delays are primarily caused by the authorities checking everyone's Covid vaccination status as people need to be either fully vaccinated to show recent negative tests , checking those causes delays

[JCauto]

On 7/23/2022 at 7:57 AM, RichardColeman said:

I vote we keep every penny and say it is reparation for all the migrants the EU has allowed to travel to the UK and their subsequent social services and benefits bill for the years ahead. 

You've already gotten what you voted for. Enjoy it and accept your responsibility rather than continually whine against others who had much more sense than you and your ilk.

[RayC]

On 7/23/2022 at 9:22 AM, nauseus said:

17.8% from Belgium! Well how about that? Although EU HQ is in Brussels that's another good reason to leave. Typical though - second highest net contributor gets a just few token EU jobs in the gravy boat. 

 

Your implication that the UK was somehow discriminated against in terms of number of employees is incorrect. The UK (and other member states) were entitled to numbers in proportion to their respective populations. The UK was unable to supply its' quota (presumably because UK workers did not find the T&C attractive).

 

Given that most of the EU institutions are located in Brussels, why should it be a surprise that local staff make up a significant number of workforce if there are vacancies?

 

 

[RayC]

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There are two conflicting separate agreements .

One of them needs to be changed 

I don't understand your point? Can you elaborate please.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Your implication that the UK was somehow discriminated against in terms of number of employees is incorrect. The UK (and other member states) were entitled to numbers in proportion to their respective populations. The UK was unable to supply its' quota (presumably because UK workers did not find the T&C attractive).

 

Given that most of the EU institutions are located in Brussels, why should it be a surprise that local staff make up a significant number of workforce if there are vacancies?

 

 

The discrimination was there from the outset and was certainly not limited to jobs.  

[RayC]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

The discrimination was there from the outset and was certainly not limited to jobs.  

I don't suppose you have any evidence to support this?

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

I don't understand your point? Can you elaborate please.

The Good Friday agreement and the E.U agreement are two separate agreements with conflict with each other .

   The former requires an open Irish border and the latter requires a closed Irish border .

   There cannot be both , so one needs to go 

[RayC]

46 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Good Friday agreement and the E.U agreement are two separate agreements with conflict with each other .

   The former requires an open Irish border and the latter requires a closed Irish border .

  

Or a border down the Irish Sea which we have now. 

 

Whatever one might think of the DUP's politics, they were very clear about one thing. A border down the Irish Sea was unacceptable to them and, if it was implemented, they would not allow the Stormont Assembly to reconvene. Unsurprisingly, this has come to pass. All this could have been foreseen in 2019.

 

Which begs the question, why did the UK government sign the current Withdrawal Agreement? There can only be two possible conclusions: (1) Despite the DUP warnings, the UK government did not fully understand what the Withdrawal Agreement entailed. In this case, it was incompetent. (2) The UK government had no intention of honouring the terms of the Agreement. In this case, it was (is) duplicitous. Not a very good look either way.

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1 hour ago, RayC said:

Or a border down the Irish Sea which we have now. 

 

Whatever one might think of the DUP's politics, they were very clear about one thing. A border down the Irish Sea was unacceptable to them and, if it was implemented, they would not allow the Stormont Assembly to reconvene. Unsurprisingly, this has come to pass. All this could have been foreseen in 2019.

 

Which begs the question, why did the UK government sign the current Withdrawal Agreement? There can only be two possible conclusions: (1) Despite the DUP warnings, the UK government did not fully understand what the Withdrawal Agreement entailed. In this case, it was incompetent. (2) The UK government had no intention of honouring the terms of the Agreement. In this case, it was (is) duplicitous. Not a very good look either way.

Actually the majority of the people in the north support the agreement. Unfortunately for them, the DUP minority doesn't.  I guess that majority support constitutes and emergency in the minds of the Tories. Not much love for democracy there.

 

Brexit: Support for Northern Ireland Protocol 'edging upwards', opinion poll finds

An increasing number of voters support the Northern Ireland Protocol, according to a new opinion poll.

Some 55% of people surveyed view the protocol as appropriate for managing the impact of Brexit on Northern Ireland - an increase from 47% a year ago - while 38% disagree.

https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-support-northern-ireland-protocol-24345009

 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The Good Friday agreement and the E.U agreement are two separate agreements with conflict with each other .

   The former requires an open Irish border and the latter requires a closed Irish border .

   There cannot be both , so one needs to go 

When we kick the NIP sea border into touch the Irish can decide what they want to do. Either honour the GFA or allow the EU to build a fence over their beloved land. 
Guess that’s a hard border coming then. 

[baboon]

18 minutes ago, Loiner said:

When we kick the NIP sea border into touch the Irish can decide what they want to do. Either honour the GFA or allow the EU to build a fence over their beloved land. 
Guess that’s a hard border coming then. 

Or reunite and leave the UK. It looks like the Scots want out, too. I would rather they both remained,  but who can blame either or both from getting away from BlueKip rule and determining their own future?

I wonder which Prime Minister will be the one to proudly declare to the monarch, the end of the United Kingdom as we know it?

Edited July 24, 2022 by baboon