Truss surges ahead, wins key backers in U.K. leadership race for prime minister

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

Well he would need to be tried and found guilty of war crimes first, but yeah: Iraq was a terrible business we should have had no involvement in.

No, he should be taken there pending that trial. 

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh yes they were and there was an orchestrated witch hunt for months. 
His own party only joined to protect, or jockey for, their positions at the very last minute. 
It’s may be very unpalatable for the left and MSM to be seen  as part of an undemocratic coup, but we saw what you did. 

No, there was not a witch hunt. There was not. Media reporting on things you don't want to hear is not a witch hunt.

Johnson only has himself to blame for his party outing him. That you don't care about all of the lies, corruption and incompetence is irrelevant. You aren't going to get away with re-writing history.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Oh yes they were and there was an orchestrated witch hunt for months. 
His own party only joined to protect, or jockey for, their positions at the very last minute. 
It’s may be very unpalatable for the left and MSM to be seen  as part of an undemocratic coup, but we saw what you did. 

All I can say is if the Left did have a hand in getting rid of the lying, corrupt and incompetent Johnson, then this is something the Left need to start taking more credit for.

 

Unfortunately, with a massive majority in Parliament there was only one way to get rid of Johnson, his own party had to do it.

 

They, like you, weren’t the least bit bothered by Johnson’s lies, corruption and incompetence, but unlike you they were not going to ignore the Public rebuke of two by-election defeats.

 

The public saw right through Johnson, the Tories had to act.

 

 

[RayC]

Johnson lied on several occasions. The media reported these lies. The majority of Tory MPs (belatedly) reached the point where they could no longer tolerate Johnson's behaviour, and they will replace him.

 

These are the facts. It really is that simple. If an "undemocratic coup" took place then the only place it occurred was within the Tory party.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No I don’t let anti democratic coups in the UK be easily brushed under the leftist carpet. We know your are all anti democratic after your failed attempts to overthrow the referendum Leave vote. Boris was just another example but one that you won. 

Like I say, you need to come to terms with the Tories ousting Johnson and stop blaming everyone else.

 

Sadly I had no part in Johnson’s downfall but I do appreciate your faith in my powers.

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No I don’t let anti democratic coups in the UK be easily brushed under the leftist carpet. We know your are all anti democratic after your failed attempts to overthrow the referendum Leave vote. Boris was just another example but one that you won. 

And how do you propose to tackle these undemocratic elements? Abolish the free press? Set up a UK version of the McCarthy hearings?

[Loiner]

27 minutes ago, baboon said:

You aren't going to get away with re-writing history.

The history is already written. The left and MSM left their trail for all to see.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The history is already written. The left and MSM left their trail for all to see.

Your misinformed posts on this forum do not constitute ‘The History’.

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The history is already written. The left and MSM left their trail for all to see.

"The history is already written."

 

And I will not allow you to make up your own version and pass it off as fact.

 

"The left and MSM left their trail for all to see."

 

A meaningless parting shot to imply there is more to the story than meets the eye. There isn't. The whole saga was all down to Johnson.

 

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I don't know if anyone has read about what Johnson's classics teacher at Eton wrote about him in a letter to Johnson's father. Here's an excerpt

 

 "Boris really has adopted a disgracefully cavalier attitude to his classical studies.

"[He] sometimes seems affronted when criticised for what amounts to a gross failure of responsibility (and surprised at the same time that he was not appointed Captain of the school for the next half).

"I think he honestly believes that it is churlish of us not to regard him as an exception, one who should be free of the network of obligation that binds everyone else."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1549804/Boris-Johnson-news-letter-teacher-Eton-party-Martin-Hammond

 

The child is the father to the man.

Edited August 1, 2022 by placeholder

[Scott]

Baiting, inflammatory post and replies reported and removed.

 

[Loiner]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your misinformed posts on this forum do not constitute ‘The History’.

Not mine, but the MSM of the past two years. 

[bannork]

The Tories admitting their abject failures. .

 

 

[Loiner]

20 minutes ago, baboon said:

"The history is already written."

 

And I will not allow you to make up your own version and pass it off as fact.

 

"The left and MSM left their trail for all to see."

 

A meaningless parting shot to imply there is more to the story than meets the eye. There isn't. The whole saga was all down to Johnson.

 

Any historian will look at the old MSM webpages plus the nonsense posted on twitter and the like, then think “How did the unelected press manage to get all that hyperbole to overthrow a massively popular Prime Minister”?

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Any historian will look at the old MSM webpages plus the nonsense posted on twitter and the like, then think “How did the unelected press manage to get all that hyperbole to overthrow a massively popular Prime Minister”?

They will not. They will think 'Jesus, why did his party take so long in getting rid of the tosser?'

[bannork]

 

Even the Torygraph has to admit the undeniable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/30/nobody-wants-admit-tories-have-made-britain-whole-lot-poorer/

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Any historian will look at the old MSM webpages plus the nonsense posted on twitter and the like, then think “How did the unelected press manage to get all that hyperbole to overthrow a massively popular Prime Minister”?

Another Johnson supporter in possession of a time machine.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

Even the Torygraph has to admit the undeniable.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/30/nobody-wants-admit-tories-have-made-britain-whole-lot-poorer/

The story is behind a paywall and inaccessible 

[herfiehandbag]

I am waiting with bated breath for the headline:

"Sunak to rely on Truss for support"!

[bannork]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Any historian will look at the old MSM webpages plus the nonsense posted on twitter and the like, then think “How did the unelected press manage to get all that hyperbole to overthrow a massively popular Prime Minister”?

He lost by-election after by-election in true blue seats. His behaviour disgusted the Tory middle class in the shires..

The capitalist backers of the Tory party saw he had become toxic. 

Game over.

 

 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

He lost by-election after by-election in true blue seats. His behaviour disgusted the Tory middle class in the shires..

The capitalist backers of the Tory party saw he had become toxic. 

Game over.

 

 

Even though history shows that there is a strong correlation between how a party fares in local elections and how it will fare in the parliamentary elections, after the drubbing the Tories suffered in local elections Conservative supporters here simply denied that such a correlation exists.

[Loiner]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Another Johnson supporter in possession of a time machine.

Just been to check next year. Boris is still dud to popular demand and Brexit is great!

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Just been to check next year. Boris is still dud to popular demand and Brexit is great!

I would be returning it and wanting my money back, that being the case. Your Tardis is clearly faulty....

Edited August 1, 2022 by baboon

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Just been to check next year. Boris is still dud to popular demand and Brexit is great!

I think you traveled to an alternate reality.

[Mac Mickmanus]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Even though history shows that there is a strong correlation between how a party fares in local elections and how it will fare in the parliamentary elections, after the drubbing the Tories suffered in local elections Conservative supporters here simply denied that such a correlation exists.

The thought process is that with a fresh  new dynamic leader in charge of the Conservatives , they may regain popularity and win the next election .

   The By-election losses were a much needed wake-up call that changes were needed in the Conservative leadership

[bannork]

28 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Just been to check next year. Boris is still dud to popular demand and Brexit is great!

Loiner is exhibiting the same symptoms as the loyal Trump supporters, namely blind faith/love  in a compulsive liar, narcissist.

There is one difference however, Loiner is English, and thus has cynicism and irony in his DNA.

He knows deep down Boris is a fake, indifferent to the travails of the working man.

As the UK sinks further and further into economic decline, Johnson's oven ready deal will inevitably be shown to be the poison it is.

 

 

[hotandsticky]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

Loiner is exhibiting the same symptoms as the loyal Trump supporters, namely blind faith/love  in a compulsive liar, narcissist.

There is one difference however, Loiner is English, and thus has cynicism and irony in his DNA.

He knows deep down Boris is a fake, indifferent to the travails of the working man.

As the UK sinks further and further into economic decline, Johnson's oven ready deal will inevitably be shown to be the poison it is.

 

 

 

 

The scars still run deep.

 

 

Long may you suffer with your bitterness.

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

The scars still run deep.

 

 

Long may you suffer with your bitterness.

They’ll still be bitter lefty Remainers long after the next Tory government is returned again.

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

The scars still run deep.

 

 

Long may you suffer with your bitterness.

Ah, the truth hurts.  The UK is suffering. Listen to the debate between Sunak and Truss. They tell it as it is.

Back to the Single Market within 5 years.

Inevitable.

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

Ah, the truth hurts.  The UK is suffering. Listen to the debate between Sunak and Truss. They tell it as it is.

Back to the Single Market within 5 years.

Inevitable.

 

Dream on!   ????????