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Cant decide if I should get another covid booster. What about you?

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  • that's impossible !   Biden,  Fauci,  Walensky (head of CDC ) all said if you take the shot you will NOT get Covid or pass it to others .

  • Cant decide if I should get another covid booster. What about you? You can have mine.  But yes.  Get the booster.  You'll die for sure without it. 

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19 minutes ago, BonMot said:

But you thought you'd do us all a favor right?

 

I shot your horrible little site down and you back track. How positively trollish of you.

 

The only person you are fooling with those facts and figures is yourself. The truth is out.

 

To get back on track... I will never get another covid vaccine ever. I have never and will never do an mRNA vaccine if I can help it.

 

OP obviously the choice is yours.

I will never get another covid vaccine ever.

 

Yeah, that's what most jabbed people I know are saying.

On 8/15/2022 at 2:13 AM, rattlesnake said:

I am surprised that you are using the VAERS system as a basis for your reasoning as you told rumak yesterday it was flawed and not a credible source…

 

Empirical observation supersedes everything. I did not say 'I know someone,' I said "I know 3 people'. That is 3 more than in my previous 40 years of existence.

 

At this point, denying there is a problem is just presposterous.

 

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

20 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

I work in a school, all staff and around 800 students all vaccinated, no injuries due to vaccines. 

3 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

I work in a school, all staff and around 800 students all vaccinated, no injuries due to vaccines. 

At least none that you know of. And there won't be - since the "vaccines" are known to be safe and effective, right? So any injury will be attributed to something else.

1 minute ago, BangkokHank said:

At least none that you know of. And there won't be - since the "vaccines" are known to be safe and effective, right? So any injury will be attributed to something else.

Got it, so when you present an anecdotal reference to people that you know who have supposedly been injured by the vaccines it’s ok. When someone offers their own experiences there has to be an excuse. Try again

3 minutes ago, BangkokHank said:

Can you provide a link to your claim that there were no vaccine injuries among the staff and students at the school you work at?

I cannot provide a link for that the same as you cannot provide a link for the claim you know people who have been injured. However nice deflection...

 

 

A post misrepresenting the history of COVID and COVID vaccines has been removed, along with several replies to previously removed posts.

 

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

Here's your real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations....  Nong eats some extraordinarily spicy somtam, burns on the way down more than usual, she feels a little tight in her chest....  she had a vaccine a few days earlier... Oh, someone who’s read about myocarditis recent now has empirical evidence that its impacted someone else !!!....    

 

The point I want to make here is that observations made by laymen are likely to be inaccurate....  

Observations made by skilled Doctors on the other hand more likely to be correct - Note, even a standard GP may not be able to accurately diagnose myocarditis or VITT, the patients would have to see specialists. 

 

So... this ‘empirical evidence’ may not be quite as empirical as you’d like to believe..... 

 

That is not suggesting any reports should be ignored, but neither should they be taken for the extreme cases of myocarditis, VITT or any other vaccine induced complication until proven so by specialists.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, BangkokHank said:

Right. Exactly. If it was as rare as they say it is, then it would be very unlikely for any of us to know anybody who has been injured by the "vaccines". And yet you (and I) both know people who have been injured.

And I know of three !    2 fairly seriously .      

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Here's your real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations....  Nong eats some extraordinarily spicy somtam, burns on the way down more than usual, she feels a little tight in her chest....  she had a vaccine a few days earlier... Oh, someone who’s read about myocarditis recent now has empirical evidence that its impacted someone else !!!....    

 

The point I want to make here is that observations made by laymen are likely to be inaccurate....  

Observations made by skilled Doctors on the other hand more likely to be correct - Note, even a standard GP may not be able to accurately diagnose myocarditis or VITT, the patients would have to see specialists. 

 

So... this ‘empirical evidence’ may not be quite as empirical as you’d like to believe..... 

 

That is not suggesting any reports should be ignored, but neither should they be taken for the extreme cases of myocarditis, VITT or any other vaccine induced complication until proven so by specialists.

 

 

 

 

The 3 cases I know of were confirmed by doctors, 2 of these people were exempted from taking any other shots. If it was just me then it would be an extraordinary coincidence, but I have spoken to several people who shared similar experiences and observations.

 

There is no need to overcomplicate things here, I can tell when something is wrong and I am far from being the only one who thinks this. Simply discarding it as "lack of understanding of science" or some other tortuous rationale does not cut it anymore.

13 minutes ago, rumak said:

And I know of three !    2 fairly seriously .      

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines.

 

I am expecting to be told it doesn't prove anything etc., I'm saying it anyway. 2/3 of these people (those who are still alive) are certain of what caused their problems (the elephant in the room).

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines.

 

I am expecting to be told it doesn't prove anything etc., I'm saying it anyway. 2/3 of these people (those who are still alive) are certain of what caused their problems (the elephant in the room).

I know of 5 people who had a stroke. 4 who had a heard attack. 

I had a Pulmonary Embolism, a couple of females I know suffered a miscarriage...

 

All before the covid vaccine though....  you are right - your anecdote doesn’t prove anything coincidence is not causation....  

 

I had a P.E. in April 2020, a friend did also - brought on by Covid-19 ???.... or is it something that just happened ?... again, cause can’t be proved... coincidence is not cause. 

 

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Health issues proven to be caused by a vaccine are real stats, members of this forum know of such issues diagnosed by medical specialists.... (*they were medical specialists and not just general doctors guessing it could be vaccine related right ?)... 

 

... I think I had, I’m certain it caused... etc etc... is not proof of anything. 

 

It is interesting that those who are arguing ‘anti-vax’ also personally know of multiple of individuals who have ‘prove’ vaccine complications (*see comment above), when many who are not anti-vax do not know anyone who has suffered vaccine complications....  Strange that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

41 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I know of 3 myocarditis cases....

But you don’t know of any Myocarditis cases from those who contracted influenza ??....

 

The risk of myocarditis from acute influenza is reported to be 10%....  I’m sure you know more than 30 people who have had Flu...  why no talk of myocarditis for them?... 

 

 

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It is interesting that those who are arguing ‘anti-vax’ also personally know of multiple of individuals who have ‘prove’ vaccine complications (*see comment above), when many who are not anti-vax do not know anyone who has suffered vaccine complications....  Strange that.

 

Strange indeed… Maybe a phenomenon known as denial?

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But you don’t know of any Myocarditis cases from those who contracted influenza ??....

 

The risk of myocarditis from acute influenza is reported to be 10%....  I’m sure you know more than 30 people who have had Flu...  why no talk of myocarditis for them?... 

 

 

Before 2021 I had never known any young healthy person who suffered from myocarditis.

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30 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I know of 5 people who had a stroke. 4 who had a heard attack. 

I had a Pulmonary Embolism, a couple of females I know suffered a miscarriage...

 

All before the covid vaccine though....  you are right - your anecdote doesn’t prove anything coincidence is not causation....  

 

I had a P.E. in April 2020, a friend did also - brought on by Covid-19 ???.... or is it something that just happened ?... again, cause can’t be proved... coincidence is not cause. 

 

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Health issues proven to be caused by a vaccine are real stats, members of this forum know of such issues diagnosed by medical specialists.... (*they were medical specialists and not just general doctors guessing it could be vaccine related right ?)... 

 

... I think I had, I’m certain it caused... etc etc... is not proof of anything. 

 

It is interesting that those who are arguing ‘anti-vax’ also personally know of multiple of individuals who have ‘prove’ vaccine complications (*see comment above), when many who are not anti-vax do not know anyone who has suffered vaccine complications....  Strange that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the people I mentioned are young and were previously healthy, their ailments began either immediately or shortly after the shots. Denying the obvious is ridiculous.

Myocarditis is, indeed, a problem in relation to Covid-19.  The vaccines, on rare occasions, produce mild cases as well.  The risk, however, is much greater if you actually catch Covid.  Here's a little more on it:
 

Benefits of COVID-19 vaccines outweigh a very small risk of heart complications

 

Your overall chances of getting Covid-19 are 1.3 cases in 100,000 people.  Your chances   Your chances after a vaccine are 2 in 100,000, but your chances of getting myocarditis increase to 226 per 100,000 if you actually catch Covid.  

 

That is a pretty good risk benefit to getting vaccinated if you wish to avoid myocarditis.  

 

Myocarditis occurs with other conditions and vaccines including influenza.

 

https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-stories/covid-19-vaccines-myocarditis

3 hours ago, Scott said:

Myocarditis is, indeed, a problem in relation to Covid-19.  The vaccines, on rare occasions, produce mild cases as well.  The risk, however, is much greater if you actually catch Covid.

But that is not really the question with younger folks is it? How much of a risk really is covid to young folks?

The risk of severe illness and death from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is extremely low in children and teenagers,

I mean I dont know any young folks that caught covid & didn't easily recover

 

Do any fully recover from Myocarditis? Did the young folks need that risk?

Myocarditis is usually caused by a viral infection. A severe case can weaken the heart, which can lead to heart failure, abnormal heartbeat, and sudden death.

Symptoms include chest pain, abnormal heartbeat, and shortness of breath.

Treatment may include medication to regulate the heartbeat and improve heart function. In rare but severe cases, a device may be needed to help the heart function.

40 minutes ago, mania said:

But that is not really the question with younger folks is it? How much of a risk really is covid to young folks?

The risk of severe illness and death from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is extremely low in children and teenagers,

I mean I dont know any young folks that caught covid & didn't easily recover

 

Do any fully recover from Myocarditis? Did the young folks need that risk?

Myocarditis is usually caused by a viral infection. A severe case can weaken the heart, which can lead to heart failure, abnormal heartbeat, and sudden death.

Symptoms include chest pain, abnormal heartbeat, and shortness of breath.

Treatment may include medication to regulate the heartbeat and improve heart function. In rare but severe cases, a device may be needed to help the heart function.

As someone who had myocarditis as a youngster, I can tell you that unless it is caught early and treated, it can be serious.  I missed nearly an entire year of school with several months in the hospital and more at home in bed.

 

Mine was caused by a long simmering Strep infection and my heart incurred long-lasting, permanent damage.  

 

Pretty much every medication has possible side effects, some more serious than others.  I would prefer to have a short, low-level inflammation of the heart muscle that quickly resolves than a long lasting one induced by illness.  

 

Covid is a vascular disease and that should be kept in mind.  It goes far beyond just the respiratory system.  That said, it is true that the variants seem to becoming far less lethal than the original and earlier variants.   Giving any medication or vaccine is a matter of weighing the risks versus the benefits. 

 

With Covid being very transmissible and quite dangerous for some, that has to be factored into deciding about who should be vaccinated.

 

1 hour ago, mania said:
  • But that is not really the question with younger folks is it? How much of a risk really is covid to young folks?
  • The risk of severe illness and death from SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, is extremely low in children and teenagers,
  • I mean I dont know any young folks that caught covid & didn't easily recover
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  • Do any fully recover from Myocarditis? Did the young folks need that risk?
  • Myocarditis is usually caused by a viral infection. A severe case can weaken the heart, which can lead to heart failure, abnormal heartbeat, and sudden death.
  • Symptoms include chest pain, abnormal heartbeat, and shortness of breath.
  • Treatment may include medication to regulate the heartbeat and improve heart function. In rare but severe cases, a device may be needed to help the heart function.

Yes, most cases of myocarditis result in a full recovery.  The vaccine stimulates an immune response in the AC2 receptor cells.  The membrane around the heart and heart muscle are replete with these cells.  When you are vaccinated or infected, the cells react with an immune response that includes inflammation. 

 

A vaccine is a small, very short lived stimulation of an immune response.  That is why some people will experience a mild fever, some aches and pains and fatigue.  Inside, your organs are experiencing various degrees of inflammation which will go away in a short period of time. 

 

The type of inflammation of the heart is very, very  rare and almost never serious.  

 

Anyone who gets myocarditis from a vaccine will no doubt also get it from an actual infection and then the problem is dealing with two diseases at the same time. 

 

And no, myocarditis does not usually result in long term damage.  That only happens if it is not treated for a long time. 

 

 

9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Before 2021 I had never known any young healthy person who suffered from myocarditis.

Did everyone tell you about their doctors visits pre-2021....?

Doubt it.....:whistling:

A true story, here in LOS......

 

My friend is 80, he has been on medication for many years for heart problems etc, takes 18 tablets a day.

The hospital would not give him C19 jabs because of his condition. So he mainly stayed at home to avoid C19.

 

A few months back, his hospital told him he could not visit the hospital because he was not vaxxed, decision time, get vaxxed or no hospital, was told hospital policy...

 

So he had a Pfizer jag and wasn't well after, doctor came to his house, did some stuff, and he recovered.

 

Month went by, second jab, this time doctor, nurse, oxygen etc at his house for the jab. No problem.....

 

Now a few months later he is still alive and well, though he knows for the last 20 years every day maybe his last...

Pop idol Darius Danesh has just died and on facebook conspiracy theorist anti vaxer types have come out on mass and already decided it's due to the vax, amazing how many come out the woodwork, i suspect it's nothing to do with the vax, we shall see

10 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Pop idol Darius Danesh has just died and on facebook conspiracy theorist anti vaxer types have come out on mass and already decided it's due to the vax, amazing how many come out the woodwork, i suspect it's nothing to do with the vax, we shall see

"The cause of death is not known, but his family said he was found in his US apartment."

 

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48 minutes ago, transam said:

Now a few months later he is still alive and well, though he knows for the last 20 years every day maybe his last...

So the moral of your story.

 

You know someone who got vaxed and didn't die.

 

Thanks for the heads up. ????

6 minutes ago, peterfranks said:

So the moral of your story.

 

You know someone who got vaxed and didn't die.

 

Thanks for the heads up. ????

You obviously missed the point I was making, but that's OK, most anti-vaxxers do..............????............????

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines.

You personally know of 13 people who had major health issues because of the vaccination, or you've just read about them on the interweb?

 

If 13 of your real acquaintances have had such bad reactions, I hope I don't know you, because that would appear to be the compelling factor. 

 

29 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

"The cause of death is not known, but his family said he was found in his US apartment."

 

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Correct but that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists jumping to conclusion, he was 41

1 minute ago, Woof999 said:

You personally know of 13 people who had major health issues because of the vaccination, or you've just read about them on the interweb?

 

If 13 of your real acquaintances have had such bad reactions, I hope I don't know you, because that would appear to be the compelling factor. 

 

I personally know 3 of them, the others are friends or colleagues of people I know and trust.

 

Please spare me the lecture on "anecdotal reports which prove nothing vs. science", I know to you it's "anything but".

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