2 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

 

Luckily Sweden's back on track with 74% vaccination rate.  Demographics helps also.

 

Unfortunately the virus is always mutating and comes in waves.  

 

Hopefully you have your Vitamin D,Ivermectin, and Hydroxychloroqine stocked up. 

I do thanks, and I'm doing great. Quercetin, zinc and vitamin C also, very important.

Some trolling and bickering comments have been removed, along with a related reply.

 

Perspective is important. I have merely questioned whether the risk is much higher in younger, healthy people, and not whether there is no risk at all.  Also, as another poster pointed out we are really talking about very small numbers here.  The risk is in fact very low.

 

The link https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/why-vaccinate-children-teens.html also points out that some youngsters have become seriously ill and have died which of course is true, but I would also contend that these numbers are extremely small, and in any case overwhelmingly occur in children who are already profoundly challenged, so of course they should be vaccinated.

 

Clearly where grandparents are at risk then they must be fully vaccinated- this is in fact the stand out benefit of vaccines- they absolutely do prevent serious illness and death in this age group spectacularly well.

 

(As a 60 plus poster, I have had 3 shots.  It didn't stop me getting covid but I do think that it shortened the episode.  And even though the booster caused me a fever and headache, I will likely get a 4th vaccine in 6 months or so. I would actually suggest every adult gets vaccinated.)

17 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not sure to get another vaccine or not. 

I have health issues after Covid but not sure if they were caused by the vaccine or if the vaccine made the issues less serious.

This chicken or the egg question has actually been getting quite popular in Europe these days

4 hours ago, mania said:

This chicken or the egg question has actually been getting quite popular in Europe these days

What has Europe got to do with anything?

Where can one get the 4th shot in Pattaya?

12 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Where can one get the 4th shot in Pattaya?

Royal Garden Plaza mall upstairs was still giving out shots a week or so ago.  Monday through Friday only

13 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

You can get the virus (or other bacteria) from others surfaces that have contaminated with it from someone sneezing or coughing.  You can get infected by then touching you nose, face or eyes. 

 

Washing your hands or using sanitizer will hopefully kill the pathogens. 

 

"CDC recommends washing hands with soap and water whenever possible because handwashing reduces the amounts of all types of germs and chemicals on hands. But if soap and water are not available, using a hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol can help you avoid getting sick and spreading germs to others. The guidance for effective handwashing and use of hand sanitizer in community settings was developed based on data from a number of studies."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html

 

hopefully you wash your hands occasionally in any case. 

Very difficult to get it from hands or maybe the top virologists are wrong, could be

3 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Very difficult to get it from hands or maybe the top virologists are wrong, could be

The problem is getting on your hands then touching your face.

 

Your right it's spread mainly by areosals 

 

Washing hands isn't really a priority unfortunately in Issan. 

 

 

• "People may also become infected when touching their eyes, nose or mouth after touching surfaces or objects that have been contaminated by the virus."
• "The  virus can spread from an infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe. Another person can then contract the virus when infectious particles that pass through the air are inhaled at short range (this is often called short-range aerosol or short-range airborne transmission)"

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-how-is-it-transmitted

 

On 9/2/2022 at 2:10 PM, starky said:

Wow! Cool! Imagine how good the 10th one will be...that should cure everything 

What is it with people moaning about stuff like this? It is almost like you don't understand how vaccines and viruses work.

On 9/2/2022 at 2:10 PM, starky said:

Wow! Cool! Imagine how good the 10th one will be...that should cure everything 

What is it with people moaning about stuff like this? It is almost like you don't understand how vaccines and viruses work.

16 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

What is it with people moaning about stuff like this? It is almost like you don't understand how vaccines and viruses work.

Well, I think most people understand how vaccines like the poliomyelitis vaccine work.

 

They take years to develop, are trialled on several millions of people, and the trial results are made publicly available before the vaccines are approved. The inventor gives the patents for the vaccine away free and makes no profit.

 

You get a set series of shots while you are young, and thereafter you do not catch the virus or transmit it to anybody else.

32 minutes ago, PremiumLane said:

What is it with people moaning about stuff like this? It is almost like you don't understand how vaccines and viruses work.

Never had a flu vaccine in my life. Had 2 covids and forced to have a 3rd due to the nature of my industry. You wanna keep having covid vaccines every 6 months forever be my guest. I'll let my immune system have a crack. Cheers. And how was I moaning? Lol. You do think Pfizer, moderna et al have a vested interest in selling more vacs? 

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1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

The problem is getting on your hands then touching your face.

 

Your right it's spread mainly by areosals 

 

Washing hands isn't really a priority unfortunately in Issan. 

 

 

• "People may also become infected when touching their eyes, nose or mouth after touching surfaces or objects that have been contaminated by the virus."
• "The  virus can spread from an infected person’s mouth or nose in small liquid particles when they cough, sneeze, speak, sing or breathe. Another person can then contract the virus when infectious particles that pass through the air are inhaled at short range (this is often called short-range aerosol or short-range airborne transmission)"

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-how-is-it-transmitted

 

How do they know they caught it as it is air borne?

17 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

How do they know they caught it as it is air borne?

Because droplets also fall down onto surfaces. Although of course airborne is where the majority of infection comes from

 

Omicron may hang around longer on surfaces than original virus, early findings suggest

Fresh research says Omicron lasts much longer on surfaces than other variants

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because droplets also fall down onto surfaces. Although of course airborne is where the majority of infection comes from

 

Omicron may hang around longer on surfaces than original virus, early findings suggest

Fresh research says Omicron lasts much longer on surfaces than other variants

 

Brian, as far as I can recall, most of the research I've read on this subject has found that yes, they can identify elements of the virus surviving on surfaces for varying periods of time... BUT... typically, what they find on surfaces doesn't end up being something that can be cultured into a replicating virus.

 

Have you seen anything newer or recent on that?  While I'm all in favor of being cautious, I do think the surfaces risk has been overblown, particularly in Thailand. And I can't think of any documented case I've read about where typical public surface-to-hand contamination resulted in COVID infections...

 

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Brian, as far as I can recall, most of the research I've read on this subject has found that yes, they can identify elements of the virus surviving on surfaces for varying periods of time... BUT... typically, what they find on surfaces doesn't end up being something that can be cultured into a replicating virus.

 

Have you seen anything newer or recent on that?  While I'm all in favor of being cautious, I do think the surfaces risk has been overblown, particularly in Thailand. And I can't think of any documented case I've read about where typical public surface-to-hand contamination resulted in COVID infections...

 

 

No I'm with you, in regards to children however it may be a little different in classrooms as colds can often be picked up through indirect contact on surfaces so that would also probably be the case for covid.

2 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

How do they know they caught it as it is air borne?

I don't know.

 

They can it detect on surfaces.  Someone touched that contaminated surface.

 

Bacteria and viruses are very good at infecting thier hosts.  

 

Main entry ways on your face.  Ears, eyes, nose, and mouth.

 

"Studies have found that people touch their faces more than 16 times in an hour."

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-to-not-touch-your-face#:~:text=Your eyes and mouth are,between washings are extremely high.

On 9/4/2022 at 11:57 PM, rattlesnake said:

From your article:

Although Sweden was hit hard by the first wave, its total excess deaths during the first two years of the pandemic were actually among the lowest in Europe. The decision to keep primary schools open also paid off. The incidence of severe acute Covid in children has been low, and a recent study showed that Swedish children didn’t suffer the learning loss seen in many other countries.

 

Yeah cherry picking data is always a go to on this forum. Generally within out reading all of the source material. 

17 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Well, I think most people understand how vaccines like the poliomyelitis vaccine work.

 

They take years to develop, are trialled on several millions of people, and the trial results are made publicly available before the vaccines are approved. The inventor gives the patents for the vaccine away free and makes no profit.

 

You get a set series of shots while you are young, and thereafter you do not catch the virus or transmit it to anybody else.

So you don't understand how they work then.

 

You do understand that the covid-19 vaccines were developed from previous vaccine tech? That we had already been studying viruses like Covid? That as it was a global issue a lot of money and time was poured into their development, so it was not like development of a normal vaccine - I mean did you think about that?

 

And you do know it was throughly tested, right?

Also, do you understand how viruses mutate? Why do you think there is a different flu vaccine every year? And that every virus is different... I mean you basically made my point with what you wrote. 

17 hours ago, starky said:

Never had a flu vaccine in my life. Had 2 covids and forced to have a 3rd due to the nature of my industry. You wanna keep having covid vaccines every 6 months forever be my guest. I'll let my immune system have a crack. Cheers. And how was I moaning? Lol. You do think Pfizer, moderna et al have a vested interest in selling more vacs? 

boo hoo - and again, someone else who doesn't understand vaccines - Jesus wept, they help boost your immune system.... education has failed some people. 

 

And your second argument is for nationalisation of pharma, good, let's do it. 

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Because droplets also fall down onto surfaces. Although of course airborne is where the majority of infection comes from

 

Omicron may hang around longer on surfaces than original virus, early findings suggest

Fresh research says Omicron lasts much longer on surfaces than other variants

So in reality it is an insignificant risk.

15 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

I don't know.

 

They can it detect on surfaces.  Someone touched that contaminated surface.

 

Bacteria and viruses are very good at infecting thier hosts.  

 

Main entry ways on your face.  Ears, eyes, nose, and mouth.

 

"Studies have found that people touch their faces more than 16 times in an hour."

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-to-not-touch-your-face#:~:text=Your eyes and mouth are,between washings are extremely high.

They are also good at dying when removed from their natural habitat. Infection by touch, whilst possible is insignificant at least it is if you believe virologists.

On 9/4/2022 at 10:57 PM, rattlesnake said:

From your article:

Although Sweden was hit hard by the first wave, its total excess deaths during the first two years of the pandemic were actually among the lowest in Europe. The decision to keep primary schools open also paid off. The incidence of severe acute Covid in children has been low, and a recent study showed that Swedish children didn’t suffer the learning loss seen in many other countries.

 

A more valid comparison would be to compare Sweden's performance to that of its Nordic neighbors: Norway, Finland, and Denmark. Particularly the first 2 since Denmark is far more densely populated.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

A more valid comparison would be to compare Sweden's performance to that of its Nordic neighbors: Norway, Finland, and Denmark. Particularly the first 2 since Denmark is far more densely populated.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden

FYI this is 2022 and it is pretty much agreed upon that public health agencies handled this crisis really badly. The public trust in them has never been so low and those like you who still defend them no matter what are a minority.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

FYI this is 2022 and it is pretty much agreed upon that public health agencies handled this crisis really badly. The public trust in them has never been so low and those like you who still defend them no matter what are a minority.

 Just for a change, why not try addressing the facts raised rather than resorting to an all-purpose rant.

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

FYI this is 2022 and it is pretty much agreed upon that public health agencies handled this crisis really badly. The public trust in them has never been so low and those like you who still defend them no matter what are a minority.

Even though their lives were saved by jabs..................? 

PS. I think your drum is just about worn out....????

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

FYI this is 2022 and it is pretty much agreed upon that public health agencies handled this crisis really badly. The public trust in them has never been so low and those like you who still defend them no matter what are a minority.

Funny how every time anti-vaxers want to try to criticize agencies like the CDC, they end up dredging up studies or commentary by ECONOMISTS...

 

Though as in your case, neither you nor The Hill article the guy wrote make it clear the guy's field of expertise has nothing to do with either public health or COVID, though he does have a background in hospital finance.

 

"Carl J. Schramm is an internationally recognized leader in entrepreneurship, innovation and economic growth."

 

https://ischool.syr.edu/carl-schramm/

 

"Carl J Schramm is an American economist, entrepreneur, author"

 

"Schramm is recognized internationally as a leading authority on innovation, entrepreneurship and economic growth."

 

https://carlschramm.com/about-me/

 

Next time I need advise or expertise about the COVID pandemic, I'm sure he WON'T be the first person I'll ask!

 

 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Funny how every time anti-vaxers want to try to criticize agencies like the CDC, they end up dredging up studies or commentary by ECONOMISTS...

 

Though as in your case, neither you nor The Hill article make it clear the guy's field of expertise has nothing to do with either public health or COVID, though he does have a background in hospital finance.

 

"Carl J. Schramm is an internationally recognized leader in entrepreneurship, innovation and economic growth."

 

https://ischool.syr.edu/carl-schramm/

 

"Carl J Schramm is an American economist, entrepreneur, author"

 

"Schramm is recognized internationally as a leading authority on innovation, entrepreneurship and economic growth."

 

https://carlschramm.com/about-me/

 

Next time I need advise or expertise about the COVID pandemic, I'm sure he WON'T be the first person I'll ask!

 

 

Actually, i was thinking of locating a virologist to be my investment counselor.