Hungary can ‘no longer be considered a full democracy,’ says EU Parliament

[Scott]

Hungary can “no longer be considered a full democracy,” the European Parliament said in a statement following its adoption of a report on Thursday.

The Parliament said the situation has “deteriorated such that Hungary has become an ‘electoral autocracy.’”

“Overall, [The European Parliament] expresses regrets that the lack of decisive EU action has contributed to a breakdown of democracy, rule of law and fundamental rights in Hungary, and turning one of its member states into hybrid regime of electoral autocracy,” the report read.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/world/hungary-democracy-eu-parliament-intl/index.html

[stevenl]

EU funding should be halted now.

[thaibeachlovers]

Is the EU a "full democracy" itself, given that the commissioners are not elected by a popular vote?

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/7/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is the EU a "full democracy" itself, given that the commissioners are not elected by a popular vote?

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/7/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

The member countries should be democracies.

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Is the EU a "full democracy" itself, given that the commissioners are not elected by a popular vote?

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/7/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

This is a very silly point. Is the UK a full democracy? Is any parliamentary system a full democracy? They're parliamentary democracies as is the European Union.

In Hungary, Orban has had laws passed to make meaningful opposition virtually impossible. Hungary receives more EU funding per capita than does any other member state but refused to abide by its rules.

[roquefort]

After the UK, Hungary will likely be the next domino to fall in the splintering of the anti-democratic power grab that is the Brussels bureaucracy (EU Commission).

 

Once the full force of their idiotic energy policies comes back to bite them this winter, expect the break up to accelerate as people take to the streets in protest at the Davos elites and their Great Reset.

[Pedrogaz]

The EU gives countries veto rights upon joining.....but beware, if you use your veto rights the unelected commission will punish you

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6 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

The EU gives countries veto rights upon joining.....but beware, if you use your veto rights the unelected commission will punish you

No one forced Hungary to join the EU. If it wants to be anti-democratic kleptocracy, it can withdraw from the EU just as the UK did.

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13 minutes ago, roquefort said:

After the UK, Hungary will likely be the next domino to fall in the splintering of the anti-democratic power grab that is the Brussels bureaucracy (EU Commission).

 

Once the full force of their idiotic energy policies comes back to bite them this winter, expect the break up to accelerate as people take to the streets in protest at the Davos elites and their Great Reset.

Because Davos and the Great Reset are the besetting preoccupations of most Europeans and not just yours and a few fellow conspiracy theorists'?

[placeholder]

Well, if you portray stealing classified documents with information that is potentially helpful to foreign powers and then lying about it is "risible flimsy", then you're just bloviating.

As for Hungary...

 

Hungary: 'Critics silenced' in social media arrests as EU debates Orban's powers 

Opposition politicians in Hungary are alarmed by a spate of detentions for alleged scaremongering on social media about the coronavirus pandemic.

They fear that voices critical of the government are being silenced and accuse Prime Minister Viktor Orban of abusing special powers granted to him in March.

It comes as the EU, citing Hungary, called on Thursday for emergency government powers granted during the crisis to be eased along with lockdowns.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2020/05/14/hungary-critics-silenced-in-social-media-arrests-as-eu-debates-orban-s-powers

 

 

 

[stevenl]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No one forced Hungary to join the EU. If it wants to be anti-democratic kleptocracy, it can withdraw from the EU just as the UK did.

I hope Hungary gets expelled.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic baiting posts and replies have been removed

[AgMech Cowboy]

CNN reported this and it comes from a pseudo democracy organization.  This reads like a propaganda article. 

 

It especially reeks when you read the dissenting statement by the easily slandered "right-wing" MEP's (just people who aren't on the globalist, new world order, train) report, saying it was "based on subjective opinions and politically biased statements, and reflects vague concerns, value judgments and double standards."
"This is yet another attempt by the federalist European political parties to attack Hungary and its Christian-democratic, conservative government for ideological reasons".

 

Fake News. Throw out the slander and lies enough and soon enough they'll get people to believe it.

 

You'll own nothing, rent everything and be happy, right? (paraphrase)

[roquefort]

59 minutes ago, placeholder said:

As for Hungary...

 

Hungary: 'Critics silenced' in social media arrests as EU debates Orban's powers 

Opposition politicians in Hungary are alarmed by a spate of detentions for alleged scaremongering on social media about the coronavirus pandemic.

They fear that voices critical of the government are being silenced and accuse Prime Minister Viktor Orban of abusing special powers granted to him in March.

It comes as the EU, citing Hungary, called on Thursday for emergency government powers granted during the crisis to be eased along with lockdowns.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2020/05/14/hungary-critics-silenced-in-social-media-arrests-as-eu-debates-orban-s-powers

 

 

 

So something like this then?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59509702

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, roquefort said:

So something like this then?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59509702

Nothing like that at all no.

 

Hungary is Determined to Silence Any Critics Left Standing

 

Hungary: Media council takes steps to silence independent radio

 

“Don’t be silenced” – Hungary's biggest independent news site collapses

[roquefort]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nothing like that at all no.

 

Once you give powers to government and big tech to decide arbitrarily what is "harmful" and what can or cannot be said online, you're on the same slippery slope to where Hungary is today.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, roquefort said:

Once you give powers to government and big tech to decide arbitrarily what is "harmful" and what can or cannot be said online, you're on the same slippery slope to where Hungary is today.

You said:

 

34 minutes ago, roquefort said:

So something like this then?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59509702

I replied and made it very clear its nothing like that at all

[Purdey]

This is preposterous! (Say this with dripping sarcasm) A member of the EU with its own sovereignty? The EU commission unable to impose its will? Egads. I thought EU members had no sovereignty! 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I hope Hungary gets expelled.

No mechanism to do so

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union%23:~:text%3Din%20Poland's%20favour.-,Expulsion,but%20failed%20to%20be%20included.&ved=2ahUKEwi0p7r7vJv6AhXMO-wKHUkNBtcQFnoECAgQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZTL1zgvT_k11u1v-Yi19i

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

No mechanism to do so

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union%23:~:text%3Din%20Poland's%20favour.-,Expulsion,but%20failed%20to%20be%20included.&ved=2ahUKEwi0p7r7vJv6AhXMO-wKHUkNBtcQFnoECAgQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2ZTL1zgvT_k11u1v-Yi19i

Thanks.

So sanctions like withholding moneys should will them to withdraw.

[Tropposurfer]

Orban. Fox News et al., Tucker Carlson, and the GOP seem to think he's a real peach. 

[pacovl46]

Hungary should be expelled from the EU. All they ever do is come begging for money, but when it's time to do something FOR the EU they refuse! 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, roquefort said:

After the UK, Hungary will likely be the next domino to fall in the splintering of the anti-democratic power grab that is the Brussels bureaucracy (EU Commission).

 

Once the full force of their idiotic energy policies comes back to bite them this winter, expect the break up to accelerate as people take to the streets in protest at the Davos elites and their Great Reset.

Following Greece; Italy; Austria;  Portugal; France - I'm sure that I've missed out a few other countries - Hungary is the latest 'next' member state to depart the EU before its' inevitable collapse .... or maybe not? Perhaps, this is just wishful thinking on the part of disgruntled Brexiters?

 

The EU has made proposals to cap energy prices, levy a windfall tax on energy producers and for member states to reduce peak electricity consumption by 5%. These proposals have not yet been agreed by the member states. In any event, it's unclear to me why these proposals would act as an accelerator in the demise of the EU as an institution.

[RayC]

31 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Thanks.

So sanctions like withholding moneys should will them to withdraw.

Based on this Wikipedia article, it seems unlikely that Hungary will withdraw. Looks like the EU are stuck with them for the foreseeable future

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_withdrawal_from_the_European_Union#:~:text=Hungary is legally allowed to,thirds of the Hungarian parliament.

[arithai12]

I bet von der Leyen & co don't have a clue what is their shopping or heating bill in Brussels or how much it costs to fly them around, but sure let's eject members states who have objections about the role of the EU in the never-ending mess in Ukraine.

The problem is, it's not only Hungary.

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, arithai12 said:

I bet von der Leyen & co don't have a clue what is their shopping or heating bill in Brussels or how much it costs to fly them around, but sure let's eject members states who have objections about the role of the EU in the never-ending mess in Ukraine.

The problem is, it's not only Hungary.

Place as many bets as you like but these concerns on Hungary were raised well before 24th Feb

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, stevenl said:

EU funding should be halted now.

Should never have started.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 hours ago, roquefort said:

Once you give powers to government and big tech to decide arbitrarily what is "harmful" and what can or cannot be said online, you're on the same slippery slope to where Hungary is today.

Leaving ‘Big Tech’ to police itself hasn’t worked out too well has it.

 

Hostile governments hacking and trawling user data, then responding social media to run misinformation campaigns.

 

Extremists using the internet to radicalize people.

 

And big tech itself, running algorithms that target users with online feed that creates information bubbles in which users receive single sided views of issues they react to.

 

It’s well past time for Big Tech to be made responsible for the content they distribute.

[Chomper Higgot]

14 hours ago, arithai12 said:

I bet von der Leyen & co don't have a clue what is their shopping or heating bill in Brussels or how much it costs to fly them around, but sure let's eject members states who have objections about the role of the EU in the never-ending mess in Ukraine.

The problem is, it's not only Hungary.

It doesn’t look like the problem is the EU:

 

https://www.ft.com/content/57c66a89-b046-4c3e-a8aa-d9099bd4da20

[nauseus]

On 9/17/2022 at 10:13 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Is the EU a "full democracy" itself, given that the commissioners are not elected by a popular vote?

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/faq/7/how-are-the-commission-president-and-commissioners-appointed

My first thought.