Former Canadian soldier & alleged hitman accused of killing B.C. gangster in Thailand could face death penalty if extradited: lawyer

[Kerryd]

Canada won't extradite unless the death penalty is completely off the table.

Just like when Rakesh Saxena (the guy who caused the Asian Flu banking crisis and the collapse of the Bangkok Bank of Commerce in 1997). 
He was able to live freely in Canada off the billions he stole while fighting extradition, even after Thailand agreed to waive the death penalty. He was finally extradited after his final appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada was denied, almost 10 years after he fled Thailand.

Then there was Michael Karas. A career criminal in Canada who'd spent nearly half his adult life in prison, mostly for armed bank robberies.
While on probation, he "stole" someone's ID (who apparently never bothered reporting it stolen) and flew to Thailand.
Met a young woman and spent a year living with her in Pattaya, in rooms and apartments rented in her name. 

Had an argument with her one day and "snapped her neck" in a fit of rage. He then mutilated her face (hoping no one would recognize her and tie her to him), dismembered her body and threw the pieces into a local swamp.
He then flew back to Canada, still using the same "stolen" ID.

He was arrested and sent to prison - for violating his probation.
While in prison, Thailand tried to extradite him. When his prison term was nearly up, Karas admitted to a couple bank robberies the police had listed as "cold cases". He was given a few more years in prison and then extradited to Thailand.

He was found guilty (I think for 2nd degree murder and for desecrating the corpse or "offering insult to the corpse" - however it's worded) and sent to prison.
No death penalty at all.

However, he and his lawyer got a story printed in the Toronto Sun about how hard done by he was and how he'd spent "half a decade" in a Thai prison already and that Canada should bring him home - and release him !!!

The Sun deliberately used "half a decade" hoping their readers would think that was a lot longer than if they'd said "5 years".

And it worked. Even after the "Public Safety Minister" was personally informed of what Karas had done, he rubber stamped a prisoner transfer and Karas was sent back to Canada.
Corrections Canada gave (me) a BS statement about him having to comply with terms and be properly supervised blah blah blah. He was released almost immediately after arriving.

We know this because within a year of the newspaper story, Karas was arrested in Winnipeg for a series of bank robberies he did in Ontario after his release.

This guy (Dupre) probably won't face the same charges and if he pleads guilty will maybe get 10 years (half of a life sentence). He'd only have to do about 3 years (or nearly "half a decade") before he'd be eligible to be transferred back to Canada.

And if the Liberals are still in office he'll probably be release upon his return. Maybe even get a personal apology from Trudeau.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Kerryd

[cheapcanuck]

Yep, that's Canada.

Edited September 28, 2022 by cheapcanuck

[LomSak27]

7 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Canada doesn't send people to countries that may enact the death penalty.

And bravo for Canada, but that is basic extradition protocol worldwide. Unless a country deliberately waves it, if said country does not have a death penalty they will not let a prisoner be extradited to a country that does, without assurance death penalty will not be a possible outcome. 

 Check Ms Jinjiara Smith; AKA Ms Jägermeister, and her extradition to the US from the UK.  

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, webfact said:

An ex-Canadian soldier and alleged hitman accused of killing a former B.C. gangster in Thailand could face the death penalty if he is extradited to face trial, his lawyer says

Seems fair to me..

If you travel to another country for the soul purpose of executing someone and get caught you face the same fate.

[arick]

9 hours ago, CosmicSurfer said:

B.C. = British Columbia... a Province in Canada !!

 

[Photoguy21]

18 hours ago, bobbin said:

Why even say something like this?

 

So you are ok with even more violence in the illegal drug trade? The obvious approach is to decriminalize all drug use and source clean safe products for people..

 

But you don't like that idea. You want to continue the 70 year old unwinnable  War on Drugs. You have already made many posts to this effect in discussions regarding Thailand's efforts to liberalize (humanize) formerly harsh laws , whose only effect was to over-fill their prisons..

Whatever you are on you need to stop. 

[MrJ2U]

7 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

And bravo for Canada, but that is basic extradition protocol worldwide. Unless a country deliberately waves it, if said country does not have a death penalty they will not let a prisoner be extradited to a country that does, without assurance death penalty will not be a possible outcome. 

 Check Ms Jinjiara Smith; AKA Ms Jägermeister, and her extradition to the US from the UK.  

Yes I know.

 

The article mentioned he "could" face the death penalty.  Of course that would be off the table if Canada we're to extradite it's citizen to Thailand.

 

It's unfortunate that the Canadian wasn't more stealth.  The "victim" wasn't really a victim and was a menace to society.

 

I get your point though. 

[userabcd]

13 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What is BC?

Take your pick.

 

Definition of BC

1- before Christ —often printed in small capitals and often punctuated

2 - board-certified

3 - British Columbia

[huangnon]

21 hours ago, ezzra said:

I'd say hire the man to do more clean ups of scums and gangsters, not imprison him...

Um, he got caught.. The 'hit' on this guy wasn't very professional either.

 

Hey, but vigilante justice is great in Hollywood movies, eh?

[Neeranam]

Looks like one of the Trailer Park Boys -  could it be the same guy?

[Zack61]

16 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What is BC?

The lesser known associate of AD

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, Zack61 said:

The lesser known associate of AD

I find it very strange when people come to Thailand and say things like 'i come from CA' expecting us to know what the hell they are talking about. 

[LomSak27]

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I find it very strange when people come to Thailand and say things like 'i come from CA' expecting us to know what the hell they are talking about. 

Do you have problems, when people in Thailand.  say things like he's a  scouse, geordie, sassanach or sheep sh---er, and expect people too understand what they are talking about?  

It's always something. 

[Kwaibill]

I believe  Canada will not extradite to a possible death sentence.