Many Russians on BKK-HKT flight.

[CANSIAM]

At Swampy yesterday waiting flight back to Phuket, a fella and his wife grabbed a seat next to me. Many folks there had transit stickers on, I asked where you arriving from. He said Russia with a small smile. They were from Vladisvostok ( near North Korean border/ Sea of Japan ), using his translation app - their escape began 5-6 weeks ago, they flew to Georgia spent a month there then on to Dubai and here. He had a military service background and would be sent to Ukraine to fight. I asked what they do for visa he said something about education visa. Obviously they have no idea when returning. Had a look at some of his photos on his mobile of better days - boating and water skiing in the Sea of Japan and snowmobiling on Sakhalin Island, I would say he was about 35 years of age....

[plus7]

Roger that!

Agent Cansiam, continue observation. Next time report flight number.

Over.

 

[KhunLA]

Talk to 2 people, but 'many' from Russia ????

 

Unless on a direct flight to HKT, you'd need transit stickers.

Edited October 10, 2022 by KhunLA

[CANSIAM]

1 hour ago, plus7 said:

Roger that!

Agent Cansiam, continue observation. Next time report flight number.

Over.

 

SU 666

[CANSIAM]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Talk to 2 people, but 'many' from Russia ????

 

Unless on a direct flight to HKT, you'd need transit stickers.

Actually the escaping Vladisvostok fella said many onboard, Im sure many are holidaying rather than fleeing as well.........

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

Actually the escaping Vladisvostok fella said many onboard, Im sure many are holidaying rather than fleeing as well.........

I doubt it.

Have you seen the prices out of Russia?

I posted about this before. I follow a number of Russian youtubers who have escaped or are trying to escape. One of them was talking to a lot of them during a peak fleeing day in Moscow airport. Thailand, Bali, and Vietnam were specifically mentioned as ultimate destinations. Georgia has been most popular but because of the Russians, rents have skyrocketed and the government is talking about cracking down on easy visas for them. 

To add, men trying to leave are questioned at borders and SOME are turned away from leaving. The top targets of that are the younger men. 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jingthing

[KhunBENQ]

"Many Russians on BKK-HKT flight"

 

Landing in Bangkok and "fleeing" to Phuket one of the most expensive spots in the country?

Must be rich refugees.

Or have relatives there?

Edited October 10, 2022 by KhunBENQ

[Jingthing]

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

In general most people in most countries don't exactly exalt people evading military service when their country calls. 

Most of the Russians escaping now didn't have a word to say in opposition to the evil war chosen by their dictator UNTIL the war came to them. Not exactly profiles in courage.

Of course, I don't blame them, but if this war lasts a long time, many are going to find it impossible to stay abroad because of visas and expenses.

[CANSIAM]

8 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said:

"Many Russians on BKK-HKT flight"

 

Landing in Bangkok and "fleeing" to Phuket one of the most expensive spots in the country?

Must be rich refugees.

Or have relatives there?

I would assume the folks fleeing are 'well off' maybe they can manage until Putin's Special Military Operation is completed.......although as posted, visas may be an issue at some point.....

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

I would assume the folks fleeing are 'well off' maybe they can manage until Putin's Special Military Operation is completed.......although as posted, visas may be an issue at some point.....

One would think that by fleeing the country they are now considered criminals and there PP suspended by Russia, instead of being classified as refugee's which they most certainly are, like those from Myanmar.  Yet it did not stop the Thai Government and the Myanmar Government from canceling a visa for a Myanmar National Beauty queen who had her passport suspended

[CANSIAM]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

In general most people in most countries don't exactly exalt people evading military service when their country calls. 

Most of the Russians escaping now didn't have a word to say in opposition to the evil war chosen by their dictator UNTIL the war came to them. Not exactly profiles in courage.

Of course, I don't blame them, but if this war lasts a long time, many are going to find it impossible to stay abroad because of visas and expenses.

It sure must be tough thing to grasp to fight for someone you don't like and against a people you don't hate ! 

[plus7]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

Yes, yes.... I but it happened in US history and Vietnam war. Do you want to discuss it too ? I doubt, it is such an obvious topic.

Don't you know that even Ukranians try to escape draft too ?

About russians, some flee, but much more go to the war. With fears, but go.

 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, CANSIAM said:

It sure must be tough thing to grasp to fight for someone you don't like and against a people you don't hate ! 

Yes, of course.

My personal impression (to back this up watch videos from the 1420 channel) the vast majority of Russians have been lulled to declare themselves apolitical with the attitude that political matters are for politicians only. So I assume that applies to the draft dodgers as well. A minority of them (many escaped long before the mobilization) are actual dissenters, and another minority were personally against the war but understandably intimidated by the harsh penalties for expressing that. But I am convinced that the vast majority of escapees were not against the war before it might impact them,  and probably the majority of them supported it at the very least in the sense of accepting decisions of their dear leader.

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Yes, yes.... I but it happened in US history and Vietnam war. Do you want to discuss it too ? I doubt, it is such an obvious topic.

Don't you know that even Ukranians try to escape draft too ?

About russians, some flee, but much more go to the war. With fears, but go.

 

Well yes I do think about Vietnam.

I knew some draft dodgers but all were active dissenters (but the penalties for that were mild compared to Russia). 

I was an active dissenter myself, sorry, Okies from Muskokies. 

 

About Russians fleeing. Come on man. Can you name one time in world history where there has been such a dramatic and large wave of "draft dodgers" fleeing any other country? 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Jingthing

[connda]

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

o add, men trying to leave are questioned at borders and SOME are turned away from leaving. The top targets of that are the younger men. 

Just like in Ukraine.  Just saying......

[Jingthing]

Just now, connda said:

Just like in Ukraine.  Just saying......

Ukrainians are fighting for the survival of their country.

Putin invaded with evil genocidal intentions.

To suggest a moral equivalence is DISGUSTING!

[Walker88]

Just after the invasion began, I sat next to a russian in a restaurant. We struck up a conversation. He left russia and cleared his bank account the day after putin launched his aggression. He estimated---who am I to argue---that (in his words) 20% of russians are against the war and 80% are idiots and will feel proud that russia is attacking. He said many would gladly accept the sanctions in return for a larger russia that might rebuild its soviet era lands.

 

He was draft age. He was also a scientist, an researcher in the filed of biochemistry. He said he would try to remain outside russia until putin was dead.

[IvorBiggun2]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

He said he would try to remain outside russia until putin was dead.

At the end of the day these Russian draft dodgers will have to go home at sometime in the future. Do they really think that they're going to be welcomed home with open arms? They've committed a treasonable act and will still be accountable for their actions no matter when they go home. Putin or no Putin.

[userabcd]

13 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

At the end of the day these Russian draft dodgers will have to go home at sometime in the future. Do they really think that they're going to be welcomed home with open arms? They've committed a treasonable act and will still be accountable for their actions no matter when they go home. Putin or no Putin.

Describing draft dodging as treason is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

According to the laws of the nation one may be guilty of a crime and it carries fines and/or prison sentences.

 

Ref partial extract from Wikipedia

 

"Draft evasion is any successful attempt to elude a government-imposed obligation to serve in the military forces of one's nation. Sometimes draft evasion involves refusing to comply with the military draft laws of one's nation.^[1] Illegal draft evasion is said to have characterized every military conflict of the 20th and 21st centuries, in which at least one party of such conflict has enforced conscription.^[2] Such evasion is generally considered to be a criminal offense,^[1] and laws against it go back thousands of years.^[3]"

Edited October 10, 2022 by userabcd

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

At the end of the day these Russian draft dodgers will have to go home at sometime in the future. Do they really think that they're going to be welcomed home with open arms? They've committed a treasonable act and will still be accountable for their actions no matter when they go home. Putin or no Putin.

So you would have them detained and repatriated back to Russia like Thailand is doing with those from Myanmar who enter the country, well they do it illegally so it is a different deal, but in the end if you say they are draft dodgers then they are arrestable and deportable right?

[plus7]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

About Russians fleeing. Come on man. Can you name one time in world history where there has been such a dramatic and large wave of "draft

dodgers" fleeing any other country? 

If there were jets and cheap travels that times you would see a flow from US during Vietnam war.

Ok, some other examples:

Ukraine. They do run away too. The price on the border in spring was ~ $5k. Not really affordable to just everyone. At the end of summer they bought fake "university enrollment certificates". This was blocked after some time ..  Now Ukraine just don't let potentials solders leave the country.

Disclaimer: I don't deny that Ukrainians are brave fighters.

 

Another example: Libya, Sirya - young men prefer to be a fugitives in Europe instead of fighting. I believe you know about it.

 

And finally, the whole France in 1940. Of course, there were 7 brave members of Resista`nce who were filmed in 9 movies.

 

[Iamfalang]

More than 200,000 Russians have streamed into Kazakhstan following Putin’s conscription announcement, according to the Kazakh government.

 

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According to a 1978 book by former members of President Gerald Ford's Clemency Board, 210,000 Americans were accused of draft offenses and 30,000 left the country. 

 

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Internet, more information, more draft dodgers for sure!!!!   Russians are fleeing!!!!

 

I just thought I heard the word Vwouuudka    ...... already called the KGB.

 

There are now 100 million houses in Russia with only 1 girl aged 20 watching the place.   If a falang in Thailand, go there now!!!   

[Adumbration]

Rivers of Gold arriving for Thai IOs. 

 

These thirty somethings will not have unlimited funds and will have to work to get by.  They will not have workpermits but not to worry Russians are all to familiar with brown paper bags.

 

They are not heading to Phuket because it is a holiday destination.  They are heading there because they think they will get work.

[LALes]

Way more American males avoided the draft during the Vietnam War than Russians avoiding the Ukraine War.  Some went to Canada, some went to Sweden and the more fortunate, like myself, stayed in University for 4 or more years.  America learned an important lesson from the Vitnam War...never use a draft to fight an unpopular war.  Just impoverish the lower class and have them enlist when there are are no other job options.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, LALes said:

Way more American males avoided the draft during the Vietnam War than Russians avoiding the Ukraine War.  Some went to Canada, some went to Sweden and the more fortunate, like myself, stayed in University for 4 or more years.  America learned an important lesson from the Vitnam War...never use a draft to fight an unpopular war.  Just impoverish the lower class and have them enlist when there are are no other job options.

No.

I'm talking about leaving the country.

Americans that left the country are obviously very minimal compared to the Russians.

Of course corrupt fake ailments like nonexistent bone spurs used in both cases but reports are many with very real medical reasons are being scooped up in Russia.

I knew some guys that faked being gay and it worked  but that was deeply stigmatized back then.

Russians currently studying are exempt too.

But yes the same kind of deal with targeting poor and minorities.

Putin is avoiding targeting middle class in Moscow and St  Petersburg. 

Edited October 11, 2022 by Jingthing

[whereyougo]

On 10/10/2022 at 10:50 AM, Jingthing said:

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

In general most people in most countries don't exactly exalt people evading military service when their country calls. 

Most of the Russians escaping now didn't have a word to say in opposition to the evil war chosen by their dictator UNTIL the war came to them. Not exactly profiles in courage.

Of course, I don't blame them, but if this war lasts a long time, many are going to find it impossible to stay abroad because of visas and expenses.

So the visa expires.  Overstay vs cannon foder... Not a hard choice

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, whereyougo said:

So the visa expires.  Overstay vs cannon foder... Not a hard choice

True but will eventually be caught.

[Aussieroaming]

On 10/10/2022 at 10:50 AM, Jingthing said:

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

In general most people in most countries don't exactly exalt people evading military service when their country calls. 

Most of the Russians escaping now didn't have a word to say in opposition to the evil war chosen by their dictator UNTIL the war came to them. Not exactly profiles in courage.

Of course, I don't blame them, but if this war lasts a long time, many are going to find it impossible to stay abroad because of visas and expenses.

Exactly my feelings. They can't change poor Russian leadership by running and hiding in Phuket.

[whereyougo]

59 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

True but will eventually be caught.

Can keep doing circuits around SEA without any overstay.  To easy

[wwest5829]

On 10/10/2022 at 10:50 AM, Jingthing said:

The thing about these Russian "draft dodgers" is morally ambiguous.

In general most people in most countries don't exactly exalt people evading military service when their country calls. 

Most of the Russians escaping now didn't have a word to say in opposition to the evil war chosen by their dictator UNTIL the war came to them. Not exactly profiles in courage.

Of course, I don't blame them, but if this war lasts a long time, many are going to find it impossible to stay abroad because of visas and expenses.

Maybe they can apply for political asylum in some countries. I seem to remember Canada as a destination in earlier wrongful political decisions.