OTHERED: How racism, xenophobia and religious discrimination were woven into the fabric of the UK

[Neeranam]

On 10/18/2022 at 8:36 PM, Lacessit said:

As I said, I don't regard Buddhism as a religion, more a set of ethical and moral principles.

Fair enough but it is a religion. 

[Neeranam]

Is there anything actually wrong with racism and xenophobia?

I ask because I am both racist and xenophobic, if I am honest about it, and I experience these things on a daily basis here in Thailand.

 

Saturday, I went to a hospital here in Thailand and gave my Thai ID as ID. When summoned to go to the next step, the nurses said "Mister Neeranam", based purely on my skin colour, and 'khun' for all the brown people. 

Last month, I asked at the Royal Hua Hin golf club about membership, to be told foreigners  can't join. When showed my Thai ID, they said, sorry. 

A couple of courses in town charged me more(because of my skin colour) until I showed my Thai ID.

Few months ago, some Chinese Thai sitting next to me at the bank shouted out farang can't become Thai and my ID was fake; she worked in the MOI and knew. When I questioned her heritage and her grandfather's job position, she got very hateful, saying Chinese can but farang can't lol. Strange how accepted nationalities in Thai society are now the biggest xenophobes and racists. Last time I went to UK, I was sitting near a drunk black Londoner who wouldn't stop going on about the Muslim immigrants.

 

I brush these things off as I am not the normal colour here, I am not ashamed of what I think of certain minorities in the UK. I hate the wokies, wokeism is the dangerous thing here. I was even called a racist for saying my best friend when a teenager was black, total nonsense. 

 

Don't be so bloody serious, bring back love thy neighbour and laugh about our differences, instead of looking to polarize us. 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

 

Is there anything actually wrong with racism and xenophobia?

 

Yes. 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yes. 

Even when it's non white people doing it?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Even when it's non white people doing it?

Always wrong, whoever is ‘doing it’.

 

 

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Even when it's non white people doing it?

All hate, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, prejudice and stereotyping is wrong. 
 

I do wonder about those who ask the whataboutory type of questions as you have here. 

Why would you believe I think otherwise?

Edited October 24, 2022 by Bluespunk
Punctuation and missing word

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

All hate, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, prejudice and stereotyping is wrong. 
I do wonder about those who ask the whataboutory type of questions as you have here. 

Why would you believe I think otherwise?

You believe every person is your equal, and you may be right.

I'm in the top 0.5% of the world, and know hardly anyone is my equal!

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You believe every person is your equal, and you may be right.

I'm in the top 0.5% of the world, and know hardly anyone is my equal!

Believing one to be superior because of personal traits is one thing.
 

We are all entitled to personal delusions I suppose…

And to get back on topic…

 

Discrimination because of creed, colour, orientation, gender, gender identity or any other feature of a person’s identity by anyone is always wrong. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

 

I ran two marathons and countless half marathon distances (includes a lot of training runs for marathons) over 20 years, 

 

20 years it took you ?

It took me four hours to run the London half marathon 

[Rimmer]

Troll post and a reply removed

[moogradod]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

..........................

I'm in the top 0.5% of the world, and know hardly anyone is my equal!

I noticed that, too, you are special ! Thats why you were appointed to join my exclusive ignore list. Have fun with the rest of the few extraordinary members.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

20 years it took you ?

It took me four hours to run the London half marathon 

Four hours?

 

For a half marathon?

 

What were you doing...walking?

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Four hours?

 

For a half marathon?

 

What were you doing...walking?

I kept going off route

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I kept going off route

That is very hard to do in a well run event like the London Marathon ... but ok, if you say so...

Edited October 24, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

That is very hard to do in a well run race like the London Marathon ... but ok, if you say so...

It was a bit of humour , like going off topic on forums .

Like going off route ............................. never mind 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It was a bit of humour , like going off topic on forums .

Like going off route ............................. never mind 

Ah huh

[kwilco]

8 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Cannot see any evidence of offence here, seeing discussion, and rightly so.

Faux outrage at its finest.

It's amazing tht everything on that list is clearly apparent in many of the posts. - I love the repeated use of "faux outrage" .. it is just denial or #15.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

All hate, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, prejudice and stereotyping is wrong. 
 

I do wonder about those who ask the whataboutory type of questions as you have here. 

Why would you believe I think otherwise?

Because apparently according to some ( not necessarily on this forum ) only white people can be racist.

 

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/where_did_we_get_the_idea_that_only_white_people_can_be_racist

Where Did We Get the Idea That Only White People Can Be Racist?

[Paul Catton]

Posted 23 hours ago

  23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We have evidence here.

 

People looking to be offended over the a discussion of factual racism in the UK.

 

23 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Cannot see any evidence of offence here, seeing discussion, and rightly so.

Faux outrage at its finest.

14 hours ago, kwilco said:

It's amazing tht everything on that list is clearly apparent in many of the posts. - I love the repeated use of "faux outrage" .. it is just denial or #15.

 

Hi kwilco,

Your post is a little too cryptic for me, perhaps you would elaborate for clarification.

To what "list" in my post are you referring to?

Glad you love  my wording choice of "faux outrage" now in triple form.

What exactly is in denial?

And lastly, #15, is this a reference to a bus route, meal on a menu, queue number for immigration?

It has me beat.

 

Kind regards

Paul 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Because apparently according to some ( not necessarily on this forum ) only white people can be racist.

 

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/where_did_we_get_the_idea_that_only_white_people_can_be_racist

Where Did We Get the Idea That Only White People Can Be Racist?

That’s an odd statement given that a number of members, myself included, very clearly stated the idea only white people can be racist is patently wrong.

I guess that’s why you inserted (not necessarily on this forum).

 

Your ‘outrage addiction’ has driven you to arguing about a point of view nobody here has expressed. @Paul Cattontake note.

 

 

 

[Paul Catton]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s an odd statement given that a number of members, myself included, very clearly stated the idea only white people can be racist is patently wrong.

I guess that’s why you inserted (not necessarily on this forum).

 

Your ‘outrage addiction’ has driven you to arguing about a point of view nobody here has expressed. @Paul Cattontake note.

 

 

 

Take note of what? And why?

More crypticism.????‍♂️

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Paul Catton said:

Take note of what? And why?

More crypticism.????‍♂️

Nothing cryptic at all, just the latest example of the outrage and offense you claim doesn’t exist.

 

Importing claimed ‘off forum’ views to insert whataboutary and to feed to need to be offended.

Anything at all to avoid discussing the topic of the thread, including feigned confusion.

 

 

[Paul Catton]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing cryptic at all, just the latest example of the outrage and offense you claim doesn’t exist.

 

Importing claimed ‘off forum’ views to insert whataboutary and to feed to need to be offended.

Anything at all to avoid discussing the topic of the thread, including feigned confusion.

 

 

I don't believe the post from @thaibeachlovers to be an example of "outrage and offense", more a discussion point.

The topic of the thread is "OTHERED: How racism, xenophobia and religious discrimination were woven into the fabric of the UK"  yet the focus of the article appears to be centered around illegal migrants, lawful refugees and "trashy" woke journalism.

 

"In the summer of 2020, Black Lives Matter protests swept through the United Kingdom, demanding the nation weed out systemic racism across its institutions. England’s footballers took the knee at every Euro 2020 match, books on racial injustice sold out, and the government agreed to hold inquiries. A racial reckoning was coming.

 

Two years on, the urgency to find equitable paths forward appears to have been lost. The government is pressing ahead with plans to send to Rwanda hundreds — eventually tens of thousands — of men who arrive in the country from the Middle East, Africa and Asia seeking asylum. The government calls them “illegal” migrants because they arrive by boat. In reality, most are refugees. At the same time, the UK has opened its doors to more than 100,000 Ukrainians since Russia launched its war."

 

IMO, the UK doesn't have the topical behavior woven in, perhaps a little bit of fluff lingering in pockets from a bygone era. 

 

Kind regards

Paul 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Paul Catton

[proton]

If it's so racist xenophobic and discriminatory why are foreigners so desperate to to go there. How many thousands of illegals is it now just on the channel crossing this year? So racist we send the RNLI to go out and pick them up then send them to 3 star hotels when they have no right to be in the UK at all, madness.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Because apparently according to some ( not necessarily on this forum ) only white people can be racist.

 

https://www.nas.org/blogs/article/where_did_we_get_the_idea_that_only_white_people_can_be_racist

Where Did We Get the Idea That Only White People Can Be Racist?

I’ve not seen that on this thread, so it appears to be an element of deflection being introduced.
 

Also I asked where you got the idea I subscribed to the whataboutary question you asked. My posts have suggested no such thing. 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Bluespunk
Possibly I misspelled whataboutary

[Chomper Higgot]

46 minutes ago, proton said:

If it's so racist xenophobic and discriminatory why are foreigners so desperate to to go there. How many thousands of illegals is it now just on the channel crossing this year? So racist we send the RNLI to go out and pick them up then send them to 3 star hotels when they have no right to be in the UK at all, madness.

I’m trying to figure out what relevant point you are trying to make by, once again, ranting about migrants.

[bannork]

21 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Four hours?

 

For a half marathon?

 

What were you doing...walking?

Mick could be one of the loose sphincter brigade.

 

[Paul Catton]

 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m trying to figure out what relevant point you are trying to make by, once again, ranting about migrants.

The OP was headlined under sensationalism, by "trashy" woke journalism, yet the body of the article was illegal immigration by economic migrants as opposed to bona-fide war torn refugees.

How hard is that to fathom by a Scholar?

 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Paul Catton

[proton]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m trying to figure out what relevant point you are trying to make by, once again, ranting about migrants.

The simple point is one that even you should be able to understand, is that if the UK is so racist etc, why are so many paying thousands to traffickers to get in there illegally? From countries not at war like Albania, and coming from France, a safe country -but without the handouts.

[moogradod]

Simple test that just occured to me - and it is directed at YOU, the members of AN.

 

I have a German Passport. This forum is English speaking. That means that the majority of the members are either British, American - maybe some Australians (rare, but some very nice chaps) and a very very few Danish, Swedish etc. - but lets say the vast majority is either British or American. That's for sure not far from the truth.

 

Ask yourself: Does the factor that I am German affect you in any way while communicating with me ? (WWII related or just out of the blue). Nobody has ever met me in person (most probably). Think honestly about it. I cannot help but saying that there might have been some influence from some answers (or no answers) - at least I suspected that. Sort of prejudice on my part ? Maybe. Over-sensitivity ? Maybe. Actually there is no need to answer - it is only a kind of invitation to self reflexion fitting the topic.