House January 6 committee votes to subpoena Trump during Thursday’s hearing

[pomchop]

3 hours ago, lemmie said:

Jan-6 is nothing, it should be obvious by the methods of presenting it in a scripted for television production and all one sided. Needs a proper court setting, grand juries, special prosecutors, indictments, there is none of that. What do voters care most about? Show me their main concern, or ANY concern is about jan-6. The media may have it high up on their priority of concerns but not the voters.

If it makes you feel better, Trump may get "served" a court appearance for document and records mismanagement but not much more that is circulating in the media. Where does all this go now and where should it go and what should it lead to?

 

if you actually watched the jan 6 hearings you would know that the vast majority of witnesses were/are republicans...in addition to a massive amount of audio and video evidence in trumps own words....but go ahead and follow [Trump] and claim it is all a left wing witch hunt....OJ has been subpoenaed to testify and it will be his big chance to lay out all that long missing evidence of voter fraud he has been rattling on about with zero proof for two years now....and of course only guilty people plead the 5th so we can expect full answers and testimony under oath and under penalty of perjury rather than repeating the same ole lies on fox news or at his "rallies".  Go ahead Donnie, be a man and testify under oath and let's see all that evidence you have.  Free popcorn and kool aide for all.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, lemmie said:

Jan-6 is nothing, it should be obvious by the methods of presenting it in a scripted for television production and all one sided. Needs a proper court setting, grand juries, special prosecutors, indictments, there is none of that. What do voters care most about? Show me their main concern, or ANY concern is about jan-6. The media may have it high up on their priority of concerns but not the voters.

If it makes you feel better, Trump may get "served" a court appearance for document and records mismanagement but not much more that is circulating in the media. Where does all this go now and where should it go and what should it lead to?

 

"Jan-6 is nothing,"

 

Only someone who puts Trump before country and democracy would post such contemptible words.

[billd766]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:05 PM, lemmie said:

Americans have had a belly-full of “democrats unhinged” and they’re beginning to realize that the Democrat party version of democracy is painful, mostly unconstitutional, and cares nothing about the people but only the chosen elite. So the J6 kangaroo court will roll on and, if I were a betting person, I would say that the January 6 committee will live to regret giving Donald Trump a chance to sit before them and explain what really happened.

An opinion by Mr. Conway-CNN
"This sequence of events seems far-fetched for Trump.
“None of that is going to happen,” the Trump critic and conservative lawyer George Conway predicted during an appearance on CNN Thursday. “This is about laying a marker. This is about triggering a response (from Trump).”
Trump responded on social media, calling the committee a “BUST” and a “laughing stock” and accusing members of dividing the country."

 

The left has no chance of success against challenging anything Trump and MAGA. Their six years of failing to so illustrates it all, they seem to enjoy the humiliation and they should come to their senses if possible. Nothing is gained, and the people suffer needlessly.

It must be wonderful to sit anonymously behind a keyboard, and speak on behalf of millions of people and to say what YOU think that they should be saying.

Especially when you have NO idea of their thoughts and feelings. Even more so, when you don't even KNOW millions of Americans.

 

I am a Brit and of the 70 million Brits i would be hard pushed to be able to name, and thus know more than about 350 people personally.

 

Nor would i have the temerity to speak for them.

[onthedarkside]

Several off-topic trolling and name calling posts have been removed.

 

[LosLobo]

Interesting discovery aired at last week's January 6th Committee meeting, was the fact that not only did Trump and his staff privately recognise and accept Biden's victory but Trump also sought to create mischief for and possibly sabotage Biden's new administration.

 

After his loss, Trump on November 11th, 2020, ordered the immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Somalia and Afghanistan to be finalised before Biden's inauguration day.

 

Obviously, Trump's immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan would have been mayhem overshadowing Biden's planned somewhat chaotic withdrawal in August 2021, almost a year later.

 

Biden's withdrawal has been a Trump and conservative media's talking point against Biden almost daily for over a year now.

 

Possibly, they will issue an apology to right the wrong they have caused the Biden administration?

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by LosLobo

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Interesting discovery aired at last week's January 6th Committee meeting, was the fact that not only did Trump and his staff privately recognise and accept Biden's victory but Trump also sought to create mischief for and possibly sabotage Biden's new administration.

 

After his loss, Trump on November 11th, 2020, ordered the immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Somalia and Afghanistan to be finalised before Biden's inauguration day.

 

Obviously, Trump's immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan would have been mayhem overshadowing Biden's planned somewhat chaotic withdrawal in August 2021, almost a year later.

 

Biden's withdrawal has been a Trump and conservative media's talking point against Biden almost daily for over a year now.

 

Possibly, they will issue an apology to right the wrong they have caused the Biden administration?

 

 

 

Maybe Trump was listening to his advisor Roger Stone who said 

'<deleted> the voting, let's get right to the violence': CNN obtains documentary clips of Trump ally

A Danish documentary film crew has shared multiple pieces of footage with CNN and the House select committee investigating the January 6 attacks at the US Capitol that show Roger Stone leading up to Election Day.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/15/2022 at 3:27 PM, LosLobo said:

Pelosi knows it is and her statements are only harmless rhetoric of a woman threatened with possible death by Trump's actions.

Hmmm. I must have missed the video of Trump breaking into congress and shouting that he was going to attack Pelosi.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/15/2022 at 8:16 PM, Jingthing said:

It needs a lot of things and one of the things it needs is for Trump to finally face consequences for his crimes as no citizen is supposed to be above the law.

I really would like to see him have his day in court, as it would be "interesting" to see the anti Trumpers try and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is actually guilty of a crime. I'd also expect to be entertained as he exposed the opposition case as the charade it is, IMO.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmm. I must have missed the video of Trump breaking into congress and shouting that he was going to attack Pelosi.

You clearly did miss the report that Trump was threatening to lead the demonstrators/rioters.

 

"In the new footage, Pelosi is depicted watching crowds swell near the Capitol. At around noon that day, Trump had given a speech blasting attempts to certify Biden’s victory and declaring that he would march down to the area alongside his supporters."

“Tell him if he comes here, we’re going to the White House,” Pelosi says, laughing.

A senior Pelosi aide later tells the speaker, at about the time protesters were beginning to mass at the Capitol, that the Secret Service had rebuffed Trump’s demand to go to the Capitol.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/10/14/pelosi-punch-trump-footage-jan-6/

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I really would like to see him have his day in court, as it would be "interesting" to see the anti Trumpers try and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is actually guilty of a crime. I'd also expect to be entertained as he exposed the opposition case as the charade it is, IMO.

Since all he does is trying to postpone, trump disagrees with you and doesn't want his day in court.

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmm. I must have missed the video of Trump breaking into congress and shouting that he was going to attack Pelosi.

The potency of the Trump cult Kool-Aid sadly fails to amaze me, with its trivalent efficacy to not only break the fabric of this Space/Time Continuum, and transport members to an alternate reality but suck away any semblance of awareness and critical thinking. 

 

For those with violent tendencies, it conditions them for Trump's subliminal call-to-arms against perceived opponents.  With death threats to the Democrats including Pelosi and even his colleague and friend Pence, and more recently the FBI.

 

His rhetoric has also been suggested to have inspired mass killings in NZ and El Peso.

 

I suggest you try to join the dots between Trump and Pelosi's fear of violence and death.

https://www.businessinsider.com/secret-service-knew-threats-nancy-pelosi-before-jan-6-riot-2022-8

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/14/qanon-follower-sentence-pelosi-death-threats-524209

 

Trump expressed support for hanging Pence during Capitol riot, Jan. 6 panel told - POLITICO

 

Ohio gunman appeared to threaten FBI after Trump home search | AP News

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/after-new-zealand-massacre-trump-downplays-white-nationalism-threat

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/08/04/el-paso-dayton-mass-shootings-donald-trump/
 

[bendejo]

22 hours ago, LosLobo said:

After his loss, Trump on November 11th, 2020, ordered the immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Somalia and Afghanistan to be finalised before Biden's inauguration day.

I consider these a favor to the boss in Moscow.  He didn't want someone on Team Biden to stop it with a phone call.

 

 

[pomchop]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I really would like to see him have his day in court, as it would be "interesting" to see the anti Trumpers try and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is actually guilty of a crime. I'd also expect to be entertained as he exposed the opposition case as the charade it is, IMO.

charade?  you mean hour after hour of sworn testimony by republican after republican as well as hour after hour of trump on video and audio tape telling his big lie in an effort to overturn the voters choice and incite violence?....got it...all a big charade orchestrated by the dems to convince republicans who were actually there to band together to make up lies dand testify against a guy that they voted for and supported til they saw/heard firsthand was attempting a coup....and wow all that fake audio and video that looks and sounds so much like trump that it fooled nearly everyone.....pass the kool aide.

[g man]

On 10/15/2022 at 1:41 PM, billd766 said:

Especially when you have NO idea of their thoughts and feelings. Even more so, when you don't even KNOW millions of Americans.

Immigration, the economy, immigration, crime top the list of concerns of American's, defiantly not January 6.

 

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/HHP_Oct2022_KeyResults.pdf

 

p, 16, 17, 18.

[xylophone]

18 minutes ago, g man said:

Immigration, the economy, immigration, crime top the list of concerns of American's, defiantly not January 6.

Would have to be a trump supporter with a meaningless sentence like that.......so who is defiant, and about what??

[Eric Loh]

10 hours ago, g man said:

Immigration, the economy, immigration, crime top the list of concerns of American's, defiantly not January 6.

 

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/HHP_Oct2022_KeyResults.pdf

 

p, 16, 17, 18.

Came at a surprise to see that the Law and Order party don't seem to care about Jan 6; contrasting with the Dem's Jan 6 top concern of the erosion of democratic values and principles. Perhaps the GOP now has no democratic values and has not much principles...

Edited October 17, 2022 by onthedarkside
trolling comment removed

[SunnyinBangrak]

12 hours ago, bendejo said:

I consider these a favor to the boss in Moscow.  He didn't want someone on Team Biden to stop it with a phone call.

 

 

Still trying to sell this lie? Do you have conclusive evidence to prove that Trump was controlled and employed by Putin?

 As has been pointed out many many times. Trump being a pawn of Putin was a hoax. It was part of the excuse for the democrat's appalling candidate getting her butt whooped at the polls by Trump, that Trump cheated by colluding with Russia to cause the rightful winner (Hillary - it was her turn) to lose. 

 Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin waiting until the hapless and insecure biden administration tenure to invade Ukraine conclusively proves that Trump was not Putin's servant. Sad to still see this rather silly lie get promoted time and again.

[Phoenix Rising]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Still trying to sell this lie? Do you have conclusive evidence to prove that Trump was controlled and employed by Putin?

 As has been pointed out many many times. Trump being a pawn of Putin was a hoax. It was part of the excuse for the democrat's appalling candidate getting her butt whooped at the polls by Trump, that Trump cheated by colluding with Russia to cause the rightful winner (Hillary - it was her turn) to lose. 

 Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin waiting until the hapless and insecure biden administration tenure to invade Ukraine conclusively proves that Trump was not Putin's servant. Sad to still see this rather silly lie get promoted time and again.

"As has been pointed out many many times. Trump being a pawn of Putin was a hoax."

What??? Is that an argument meant to convince anyone that trump is not the lapdog of Putin when in every situation where there has been interaction between the two trump seems ready to go down on his knees? When every time trump writes about Putin he always praises him?

Pointing out.......hoax???

[candide]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Still trying to sell this lie? Do you have conclusive evidence to prove that Trump was controlled and employed by Putin?

 As has been pointed out many many times. Trump being a pawn of Putin was a hoax. It was part of the excuse for the democrat's appalling candidate getting her butt whooped at the polls by Trump, that Trump cheated by colluding with Russia to cause the rightful winner (Hillary - it was her turn) to lose. 

 Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin waiting until the hapless and insecure biden administration tenure to invade Ukraine conclusively proves that Trump was not Putin's servant. Sad to still see this rather silly lie get promoted time and again.

Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin was waiting for the Covid pandemic to fade (1 million pop decrease in 2021), and for the price of energy to go up! Instead of buying lame MAGA propaganda.

 

"Analysis finds natural population fell by 997,000 between October 2020 and September 2021 – with Covid cited as principal cause"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/13/russias-population-undergoes-largest-ever-peacetime-decline

 

Oil prices climb back to pre-pandemic levels

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55975700

[Eric Loh]

30 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin waiting until the hapless and insecure biden administration tenure to invade Ukraine conclusively proves that Trump was not Putin's servant. Sad to still see this rather silly lie get promoted time and again.

Not much logic in your allegation. My take is that Trump did his bidding for Putin by subverting NATO by crippling NATO from within and planned to shatter it in his second term. Putin has a ambition to roll back the Soviet Union. Taking back Ukraine was part of that ambition but rolling back all the advances by NATO will be his biggest ambition. And he got that wish in the form of Trump. How he wish that Trump will take the second term and fulfilled his mission but here comes Biden to thwart his diabolical plan and unite NATO and the world against Putin. Is there something in his tax return to show that he is beholden to Putin? Come on, reveal your tax return. 
 

[g man]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Still trying to sell this lie? Do you have conclusive evidence to prove that Trump was controlled and employed by Putin?

 As has been pointed out many many times. Trump being a pawn of Putin was a hoax. It was part of the excuse for the democrat's appalling candidate getting her butt whooped at the polls by Trump, that Trump cheated by colluding with Russia to cause the rightful winner (Hillary - it was her turn) to lose. 

 Logic minded posters will have realized that Putin waiting until the hapless and insecure biden administration tenure to invade Ukraine conclusively proves that Trump was not Putin's servant. Sad to still see this rather silly lie get promoted time and again.

Incredible some folks are so far behind on current events and the totally debunked Russia hoax that the FBI knew  was false so much but that didn't stop the FBI from offering $1M to C Steele try and "prove" the steele dossier. Sounds like bribery, corruption, a bounty on Trump.

 

Durham witness: FBI offered Steele $1 million for proof of dossier claims, but he had none

"The FBI offered British ex-spy Christopher Steele an “incentive” of up to $1 million if he could prove the allegations in his since-discredited anti-Trump dossier, but the former MI6 agent was unable to back up his claims, according to new court testimony."

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/john-durham-witness-fbi-offer-proof-christopher-steele-dossier

 

 

 

 

Edited October 17, 2022 by onthedarkside
opinion article citation removed

[g man]

14 hours ago, stevenl said:

Since all he does is trying to postpone, trump disagrees with you and doesn't want his day in court.

"There is also the possibility that the January 6 investigation will be forced to close if the Republican Party wins back control of the House and Senate in November's elections. It is almost certain that a GOP-controlled House would shut down the January 6 investigation at the start of the next term in January 2023.

This also would likely mean that a GOP-controlled House would not seek to enforce the subpoena served against Trump or push for the DoJ to bring an indictment for defying it."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-subpoena-refuse-comply-charged-testify-1752148

 

[g man]

It appears that plans for the committee’s subpoena of Trump was leaked to CNN an hour before the resolution was even adopted to gin up media excitement for the nearly three-hour-long hearing.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1580624783389380608?s=20&t=xa_3Ghqpg7S9jFijN5XefQ

[Hanaguma]

Why didnt they subpoena Trump and Pence at the BEGINNING of the proceedings? The delay looks a bit sketchy to me- perhaps trying for yet another "October surprise" to swing the mid terms?   An early subpoena would have given them time for it to work through the courts. Now it looks as though the committee will be canned, once the GOP takes over the House. 

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, g man said:

There is also the possibility that the January 6 investigation will be forced to close if the Republican Party wins back control of the House and Senate in November's elections. It is almost certain that a GOP-controlled House would shut down the January 6 investigation at the start of the next term in January 2023.

I find it quite amazing that you believe the investigation into the January 6 events would be forced to close if the Republican party wins back control of the House and Senate.

 

So what you are really saying is that it is okay in America, and for the Republicans, for an insurrection/takeover/storming of Capitol Hill in order to overturn a democratic election, decided by the people of America, with damage being done and people being killed, to achieve their desired outcome – – it is beyond belief that anyone could write this, let alone believe it.

 

Do you realise what you are saying?? Absolutely unbelievable, that you could believe an insurrection which threatened the very foundations of US democracy, could be brushed aside without any ramifications whatsoever – – whatever next.

[candide]

2 hours ago, g man said:

Incredible some folks are so far behind on current events and the totally debunked Russia hoax that the FBI knew  was false so much but that didn't stop the FBI from offering $1M to C Steele try and "prove" the steele dossier. Sounds like bribery, corruption, a bounty on Trump.

 

Durham witness: FBI offered Steele $1 million for proof of dossier claims, but he had none

"The FBI offered British ex-spy Christopher Steele an “incentive” of up to $1 million if he could prove the allegations in his since-discredited anti-Trump dossier, but the former MI6 agent was unable to back up his claims, according to new court testimony."

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/john-durham-witness-fbi-offer-proof-christopher-steele-dossier

 

How Did So Much of the Media Get the Steele Dossier So Wrong?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/15/opinion/steele-dossier.html

 

 

 

It's actually a good tactic. Offer an very high amount of money and if the person doesn't come up with a proof, you are sure he has no proof!

[candide]

45 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Why didnt they subpoena Trump and Pence at the BEGINNING of the proceedings? The delay looks a bit sketchy to me- perhaps trying for yet another "October surprise" to swing the mid terms?   An early subpoena would have given them time for it to work through the courts. Now it looks as though the committee will be canned, once the GOP takes over the House. 

Maybe sketchy, but more likely because It's better to accumulate testimonies and proof in order to confront Trump and Spence with this accumulated evidence.

You know, like " we have 3 testimonies under oath and several messages showing that ...., do you swear under oath It's not true?"

[scorecard]

On 10/14/2022 at 8:53 AM, Hanaguma said:

To quote from the article;

 

"The vote took place at the end of Thursday’s hearing, as the panel made a case to the American public ahead of the midterm election that Trump lied about the outcome of the 2020 election and spurred on a violent mob of his supporters to attack the Capitol."

 

Seems obvious that the panel has political motivations, and that the timing of the subpoena is not a coincidence.  A classic "October surprise".

"Seems obvious that the panel has political motivations...."

 

Of course it does, so does everything trump says/plans/comments on/lies about/etc., etc., etc.

[pomchop]

so let me get this straight..

 

1. the trumpers on here basically say that storming the capitol in an attempt to stop the counting of electoral votes was just a demonstration.

 

2.  the jan 6 committee is a partisan witch hunt in spite of the vast majority of testimony presented under oath has come from republicans who voted for and worked for trump.

 

3.  if the repubs should take control of the house the doj will drop the entire investigation into trumps potential crimes even though merrick garland will still be the AG with a duty to present evidence to a grand jury and let them decide if the evidence is sufficient to result in charging crimes.

 

4.  it is ok for trump to go on fox news and maga friendly outlets to repeatedly claim the election was stolen from him via massive fraud without presenting a shred of proof in two years or refusing to make those same claims under oath and penalty of perjury.

 

5.  the oh so stupid dems have somehow managed to pull off the biggest election fraud in usa history right under the noses of republican legislators without leaving any evidence whatsoever.

 

 If you drink enough kool aide you can be convinced of almost any conspiracy theory and believe that poor little donnie is a true model citizen who has not conned millions of republicans out of hundreds of millions of dollars//in fact he is a fine christian patriot and is a paragon of honesty and virtue that is not guilty of so much as jay walking, that what you say in public like only guilty plead the fifth, that yes all the docs were turned over and on and on and on ad infintum wasn't really him saying that and if he did say it then it was not a lie.....to admit you got conned is not a possibility in spite of all the facts and evidence saying otherwise.  

[billd766]

8 hours ago, g man said:

"There is also the possibility that the January 6 investigation will be forced to close if the Republican Party wins back control of the House and Senate in November's elections. It is almost certain that a GOP-controlled House would shut down the January 6 investigation at the start of the next term in January 2023.

This also would likely mean that a GOP-controlled House would not seek to enforce the subpoena served against Trump or push for the DoJ to bring an indictment for defying it."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-subpoena-refuse-comply-charged-testify-1752148https://www.newsweek.com/trump-subpoena-refuse-comply-charged-testify-1752148

 

There is also the possibility that the Republicans will not win back the control of the house. Then what will happen?

 

The best poll is an election where every registered voter gets a say and they are the ones who will do the choosing.