Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

RayC · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There has been a huge rise in utility costs and that would have effected the companies profit margin and would have been one of the reasons why they failed .

That is common sense and quite obvious really and its a fact , rather than speculation

This company would have gone bust as a result of a drop in demand for their goods and/or increased costs/ reduced profit margins associated with Brexit.

Like your scenario, the fact that this is speculation "... is common sense and quite obvious really".

RayC · November 26, 2022

10 minutes ago, puchooay said:

But I've been asking those spreading doom and gloom to confirm the future.

Seems no body can. As I have suggested many times.

It's a truism to say that no one can predict the future but, ss I've said before, it's a lazy argument.

What's the alternative? Instead of basing decisions on data-driven probabilistic models, we instead disregard these projections and put our trust in blind faith and hope for the best?

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

30 minutes ago, RayC said:

This company would have gone bust as a result of a drop in demand for their goods and/or increased costs/ reduced profit margins associated with Brexit.

Like your scenario, the fact that this is speculation "... is common sense and quite obvious really".

Oh really .

You are saying that the Ukraine war and Covid had nothing to do with this companies closure and this Company would have remained open had it just been for Ukraine and Covid and Brexit is the only reason why this company closed down ?

Thank you for backing up my previous claims

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Like this one you mean, with Brexit, Ukraine and pandemic blamed?

Nobody is doing as you claim.

See directly above for confirmation of my claims

puchooay · November 26, 2022

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

What's the alternative? Instead of basing decisions on data-driven probabilistic models, we instead disregard these projections and put our trust in blind faith and hope for the best?

Not at all. But, at the same time, don't assume things are going to stay as they are just because one does not agree with decisions that have been made.

Edited November 26, 2022 by puchooay

RayC · November 26, 2022

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Oh really .

You are saying that the Ukraine war and Covid had nothing to do with this companies closure and this Company would have remained open had it just been for Ukraine and Covid and Brexit is the only reason why this company closed down ?

Thank you for backing up my previous claims

You asked me previously not to call you a liar. I can't refrain from doing so while you consistently continue to misrepresent my position and post lies.

I was replying to your misplaced attempt to patronise me - by your use of "common sense", "obvious" - by pointing out that a scenario could equally be built whereby this company might have gone gone bust as a result of Brexit. I explicitly stated that this was not a fact. It would be speculation. I did not claim that this was the reason for this particular company going bust.

Indeed, in a post almost immediately before it, I quoted the article where it stated that the war, Covid and Brexit were contributary factors in this particular instance.

There are many Brexiters on this board. Imo most find it hard to accept the weight of evidence that Brexit was a bad idea. However, I can't think of any other poster who consistently misrepresents others views and resorts to "untruths" (better?) as consistently and regularly as you. I assume that this must be deliberate.

RayC · November 26, 2022

33 minutes ago, puchooay said:

Not at all. But, at the same time, don't assume things are going to stay as they are just because one does not agree with decisions that have been made.

The problem is that there is no evidence to suggest that the so-called Brexit opportunities will materialize.

Indeed, things may well get worse. The EU is now looking at bringing in regulation to ensure that a certain amount of Euro-based derivatives are cleared in the EU.

Amsterdam, Paris and Frankfurt were always envious of the 'Citys' dominance but, ironically, when the UK was a member of the EU, the undemocratic Commission protected the City's position. Now that we have left the EU, that protection has gone.

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, RayC said:

This company would have gone bust as a result of a drop in demand for their goods and/or increased costs/ reduced profit margins associated with Brexit.

Like your scenario, the fact that this is speculation "... is common sense and quite obvious really".

Oh I see, you are saying that is just speculation and isn't necessarily correct .

I follow now .

You should have put it in quotation marks, to show you was quoting someone else

Edited November 26, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

stevenl · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

See directly above for confirmation of my claims

And now please read and understand this with his other posts.

I must say I don't have high hopes for your comprehension.

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

And now please read and understand this with his other posts.

I must say I don't have high hopes for your comprehension.

It would help if he used quotation marks to denote he was quoting someone else and that it wasn't his opinion, but someone else's .

He seems to have used random quotation marks in the last sentence and not used quotation marks in the paragraph he was quoting (where they should be).

Rather confusing

Scott · November 26, 2022

Posts removed. Keep it civil or face a suspension.

RayC · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Oh I see, you are saying that is just speculation and isn't necessarily correct .

I follow now .

You should have put it in quotation marks, to show you was quoting someone else

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It would help if he used quotation marks to denote he was quoting someone else and that it wasn't his opinion, but someone else's .

He seems to have used random quotation marks in the last sentence and not used quotation marks in the paragraph he was quoting (where they should be).

Rather confusing

I have no idea and, frankly, no further interest in trying to comprehend what you are talking about.

I guess that the lesson I should take from this exchange is, don't give people the benefit of the doubt in terms of their sincerity: Call out a troll at the first opportunity.

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

I have no idea and, frankly, no further interest in trying to comprehend what you are talking about.

I guess that the lesson I should take from this exchange is, don't give people the benefit of the doubt in terms of their sincerity: Call out a troll at the first opportunity.

Use quotation marks in the right place in future , so that it is clear you are quoting someone else .As you didn't use quotation marks, I thought that it was you writing it yourself and that led to confusion on my part .

It not me being insincere or trolling , I just didn't realise you were quoting someone else

Edited November 26, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

ozimoron · November 26, 2022

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Use quotation marks in the right place in future , so that it is clear you are quoting someone else .As you didn't use quotation marks, I thought that it was you writing it yourself and that led to confusion on my part .

It not me being insincere or trolling , I just didn't realise you were quoting someone else

That's the value of links and reading them. It is normally obvious which sentences are the poster's thoughts and which are quotes from an article. Reading the link will erase any doubt.

There is no forum rule demanding quote marks. In my case, I tend to make my own comment followed by a blank line, then a quote and then the link. Pretty standard I would think. I don't always follow that format but mostly. Again reading the links removes all doubt. If you aren't prepared to read links then you should ask yourself why you're participating in the discussion.

These are general observations and not necessarily directed at you. The onus is on the reader to ascertain though context whether a comment is from the author or a linked article. Lack of a link makes this determination impossible.

For mine, I will always reads links unless they are from an unapproved source, in which case I never read them.

Edited November 26, 2022 by ozimoron

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

That's the value of links and reading them. It is normally obvious which sentences are the poster's thoughts and which are quotes from an article. Reading the link will erase any doubt.

There is no forum rule demanding quote marks. In my case, I tend to make my own comment followed by a blank line, then a quote and then the link. Pretty standard I would think. I don't always follow that format but mostly. Again reading the links removes all doubt. If you aren't prepared to read links then you should ask yourself why you're participating in the discussion.

These are general observations and not necessarily directed at you. The onus is on the reader to ascertain though context whether a comment is from the author or a linked article. Lack of a link makes this determination impossible.

For mine, I will always reads links unless they are from an unapproved source, in which case I never read them.

If you would have looked above , (just need to scroll up) , you would have seen that there was no link in the post that I replied yo , just a paragraph with no quotation marks and no links , there was nothing to show it was a copy and paste .

ozimoron · November 26, 2022

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

If you would have looked above , (just need to scroll up) , you would have seen that there was no link in the post that I replied yo , just a paragraph with no quotation marks and no links , there was nothing to show it was a copy and paste .

And I did say my comments were not directed at you but general comments on links. I'm trying to encourage you (and others) to use links more often. It's not like you're squeakly clean. Or me, quite frankly.

cheers.

Mac Mickmanus · November 26, 2022

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

And I did say my comments were not directed at you but general comments on links. I'm trying to encourage you (and others) to use links more often. It's not like you're squeakly clean. Or me, quite frankly.

cheers.

Just me. but I would prefer it if people just gave their knowledge or opinion or what they think, without have to give a link .

Like, I don't have a link to show that mobile medics visited my house last week

ipeterrobinson17 · November 27, 2022

it's ironic that a big reason that we voted for Brexit was to get back control, but we are far more dominated by US ideas/culture than EU - Boris dared to challenge the dominant western (i.e. USA) narrative with Brexit, weakly challenged it with C*VID but supported the rest of it being in the vanguard with Ukraine.

Liz T made a pitiful attempt to challenge it again, and with Rishi we are back to "normal" and doing what we're told. Sadly, Europe is in the same boat as UK, but they seem to be trying things in the background (they don't want to upset USA either).

inflation is more a result of the free giveaway during 2020/21, and escalating gas/electric more due to sanctions than the actual fighting.

abysmal leadership! (and little chance that Starmer will do very much different)

Mac Mickmanus · November 27, 2022

2 minutes ago, ipeterrobinson17 said:

it's ironic that a big reason that we voted for Brexit was to get back control, but we are far more dominated by US ideas/culture than EU -

Do elaborate :

What are the USA ideas/cultures that dominate the UK ?

ipeterrobinson17 · November 27, 2022

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do elaborate :

What are the USA ideas/cultures that dominate the UK ?

i would put it simply as protecting USA dominance in the world, but specifically globalisation

you can add the dominant "progressive left" issues e.g. imperialism, race, feminism, LGBT+ etc - you might argue not USA issues but USA is driving force for the challenge to more traditional values of religion, family ...

do you think that UK/EU would seriously be picking a fight with Russia or China without USA leading?